Author Topic: Some things to ponder about which ever Anonymous meeting (Read 12250 times)

Che Gookin · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:11:55 PM »

I think I might have a line on some killer graphics, will get them sorted out by midweek. Kind of busy enjoying what is left of my weekend.

DannyB II · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:18:06 PM »

Quote from: "Botched Programming"

Quote from: "DannyB II"
How can so many folks that went to Straight that I know have such a contrasting opinion. Most all I said they were angry at AA because of there experience with Straight but that AA is OK. Maybe not for them but it did help folks.

I don't know who all you knew that was in Straight, but I do not see them coming in here being by your side on every theory you have... Nor do I but for the most part the People who were in Straight know I am speaking the truth and doing the right thing by exposing the truth... Take Anne.. You were perplexed that someone else felt the same and thought the same as me on this topic... Anne and I are not the only ones who view this my way.. we may not agree all the time but for the most part we respect each other.

BP, truce I got pissed off at a post, that really I should have just let go. Sorry, you have a great thread going on here. I do not agree but "hey", that is what it is all about.

Botched Programming · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:36:18 PM »

Quote from: "DannyB II"

BP, truce I got pissed off at a post, that really I should have just let go. Sorry, you have a great thread going on here. I do not agree but "hey", that is what it is all about.

So be the truce.... I am glad that we are able to lay down our arms of name calling and be back on the civil side of discussion. I have always been told the truth will set you free but it will piss you off first.... ("Just a little program humor")

Much peace and healing to you bro...
:peace:

DannyB II · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:40:41 PM »

Quote from: "Botched Programming"

Quote from: "DannyB II"

BP, truce I got pissed off at a post, that really I should have just let go. Sorry, you have a great thread going on here. I do not agree but "hey", that is what it is all about.

So be the truce.... I am glad that we are able to lay down our arms of name calling and be back on the civil side of discussion. I have always been told the truth will set you free but it will piss you off first.... ("Just a little program humor")

Much peace and healing to you bro...
:peace:

Absolutely!!!!!!!!!

Che Gookin · « **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:49:43 PM »

Botched,

Have you ever considered going right into an AA meeting and leaving a pile of your fliers right next to their piles of propaganda?

Botched Programming · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2010, 07:06:25 PM »

Quote from: "Che Gookin"

Botched,

Have you ever considered going right into an AA meeting and leaving a pile of your fliers right next to their piles of propaganda?

I have gotten up from a meeting like I was going to get coffee and left a few beside their propaganda outside of the meeting room.. remember I pay for the paper and ink... Don't want to just have them thrown straight away by a so called trusted servant of the group... Like it better when they get them off their windshields... more of a chance of reaching them.

liarsexposed · « **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2010, 07:33:51 PM »

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

The courts have also ruled that it is a religion.

I hope to not spawn any anger or otherwise but I have never read the Quote above in any newspaper,literature or even heard about a court calling AA a religion. Please post a link as I cant believe this from my own experiences.
Let me preface this with my observation and opinion
I am guessing that I have been to approximately 7500 meetings in my 15 yr affiliation with AA. I have been to some meetings where AFTER the meeting I was asked to join others in a Church/Religious setting. I have been to a number of meetings which I didnt care for,as they were geared towards things that didnt see as AA. I have had both good and bad experiences with both meetings and several people's ideology as to what AA actually is and is not.
But I gotta say.. I have never experienced what some of you talk about. I am not calling you liars.. I have just never experieced these things.
Truth be told,I havent been to a meeting in over a year,and maybe I missed something.
I can say,from my heart of hearts.. Had it not been for AA and the loving people Ive met along the way. I would probably not be here today.I havent had a drink in 16 yrs and havent used hard drugs in 10. (ya I didnt get it right away)
But I did get it. I remain grateful for it. I have lived all over the country and have many friends who I talk to regularly and I have never felt pressured to join a Church or other means of religion.
I find this all very interesting.
I think I finally made up my mind to "do the deal" just over 10 yrs ago. My life has gotten much better sober,and I am pretty sure I could not have accomplished the things I have if I had not gotten sober. I am not a cheerleader for AA. I just know "something" happed to me,and my life is so much better,as a result.
My 2 cents

Whooter · « **Reply #37 on:** August 30, 2010, 07:34:32 PM »

Quote from: "Botched Programming"

Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Botched,

Have you ever considered going right into an AA meeting and leaving a pile of your fliers right next to their piles of propaganda?

I have gotten up from a meeting like I was going to get coffee and left a few beside their propaganda outside of the meeting room.. remember I pay for the paper and ink... Don't want to just have them thrown straight away by a so called trusted servant of the group... Like it better when they get them off their windshields... more of a chance of reaching them.

I dont understand why though, Botched. What do the fliers say?

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Che Gookin · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2010, 07:46:02 PM »

True that Botched, you'd probably be better off pouring a pint of vodka into the coffee urn.

Maximilian · « **Reply #39 on:** August 30, 2010, 08:08:41 PM »

Quote from: "Botched Programming"

Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Botched,

Have you ever considered going right into an AA meeting and leaving a pile of your fliers right next to their piles of propaganda?

I have gotten up from a meeting like I was going to get coffee and left a few beside their propaganda outside of the meeting room.. remember I pay for the paper and ink... Don't want to just have them thrown straight away by a so called trusted servant of the group... Like it better when they get them off their windshields... more of a chance of reaching them.

Have you ever just shared with the group of people at the AA meeting, why you feel the way you do? I'm sure a lot of people would be open to hear about the distorted version of AA in the program, and why you feel that it doesn't help you. Believe it or not, in a lot of the meetings I've gone to, the people there aren't hard core fundamentalists. Just a group of regular people trying to help each other out, and have an open conversation about addiction and recovery. I bet this would be even more effective than passing out flyers on windshields. But it goes both ways, you might learn that AA is not as bad as you think? I put a question mark, because I'm not saying that would happen, but it is a possibility. I don't think that the people would form a lynch mob and tar and feather you, people in meetings to me seemed pretty open to anything. I've heard lots of people talk about how they were reluctant to get involved with AA, etc. I don't think AA is something to be afraid of, even if you are questioning their ideology, they seem pretty open to it. An anonymous flyer seems kind of suspicious, if I came out and found it, it would perplex me as to why someone would do this. But if a person came in the meeting, and talked about why they feel AA hurt them face to face, it would be more convincing I think. Just some my opinions, not trying to be rude or anything.

Che Gookin · « **Reply #40 on:** August 30, 2010, 08:42:34 PM »

Better to get them one on one. A group pack mentality makes it far too difficult for one of the koolaid guzzlers to think of being the nail that sticks out the most by having a little bit of independence of thought.

Go for one on one Botched.

Botched Programming · « **Reply #41 on:** August 30, 2010, 08:54:25 PM »

Quote from: "Maximilian"

Have you ever just shared with the group of people at the AA meeting, why you feel the way you do? I'm sure a lot of people would be open to hear about the distorted version of AA in the program, and why you feel that it doesn't help you. Believe it or not, in a lot of the meetings I've gone to, the people there aren't hard core fundamentalists. Just a group of regular people trying to help each other out, and have an open conversation about addiction and recovery. I bet this would be even more effective than passing out flyers on windshields. But it goes both ways, you might learn that AA is not as bad as you think? I put a question mark, because I'm not saying that would happen, but it is a possibility. I don't think that the people would form a lynch mob and tar and feather you, people in meetings to me seemed pretty open to anything. I've heard lots of people talk about how they were reluctant to get involved with AA, etc. I don't think AA is something to be afraid of, even if you are questioning their ideology, they seem pretty open to it. An anonymous flyer seems kind of suspicious, if I came out and found it, it would perplex me as to why someone would do this. But if a person came in the meeting, and talked about why they feel AA hurt them face to face, it would be more convincing I think. Just some my opinions, not trying to be rude or anything.

(1) Having this discussion at a meeting would be equal to if not worse than slapping down a hornets nest with my bare hands.
(2) By putting flyers on the windshield I am able to keep my anonimity... "Remember anonimity is the spiritual foundation of all our Traditions ever reminding us to place principals before personalities."
(3) Been around the rooms for too many years.. Was refreshed when I found the orange papers... Remember the H.O.W of the program, well it works the other way too I was honest enought to myself with my beliefs, I was openminded to the concept which contradicted with the validity of the cult speak I had heard in the rooms, and I have been willing to carry this message to all I can hel like that 12th step told me to do... lol
(4) maybe perplexed was the wrong word to use... more like intrigued... possibly enought to read the literature and question the validity of the points I put out.
(5) I beg to differ with you again about going in a meeting and taking about this... Program Nazis will cut you off.

PS...Did not take any of your post rude.

Peace and much healing
:peace:

Botched Programming · « **Reply #42 on:** August 30, 2010, 09:16:18 PM »

Something new to ponder... straight from the NA's Basic Text

We do recover page 84

When, at the end of the road, we find that we can no longer function as human beings, either
with or without drugs, we all face the same dilemma. What is there left to do? There seems to be
this alternative: either go on as best we can to the bitter ends—jails, institutions, or death—or find
a new way to live. In years gone by, very few addicts ever had this last choice. Those who are
addicted today are more fortunate. For the first time in history, a simple way has been proving
itself in the lives of many addicts. It is available to us all. This is a simple spiritual, not religious,
program known as Narcotics Anonymous.

Lets break this paragraph down...
(1) NA propaganda states that we come to them broken and not functioning as a human being... (Our lives may be in disarray but I don't know too many of us who are animals)
(2) Then they question "What is there left to do".... A person changes things in their own time on their own terms.
(3) The propaganda then goes own to state that if we do not live their way of life we will end up in jails, institution, or death.... Sounds like the person now owes their life to a program... Do not question just do as they say and everything is going to be good.... WRONG!!!
(4)For the first time in history.... Sounds like an announcer on a infomercial.... Use that sales pitch buddy..
(5) A simple spiritual not religious program.... The reason they chose to be spiritual and not religious is so they don't have to claim church status as that would require ordained ministers...Hence helping declassify them as a cult.

If a person is new and they sit for 90 days listening to this type of cult speak they will begin to do it themselves

Try this experiment.. Dress yourself with opposite of you dominant side for 90 days and see if you don't automatically start doing it all the time with that side.. This is how stepcraft works...

Your thoughts...

Peace and much healing.

Whooter · « **Reply #43 on:** August 30, 2010, 09:44:01 PM »

Quote from: "Botched Programming"

A simple spiritual not religious program.... The reason they chose to be spiritual and not religious is so they don't have to claim church status as that would require ordained ministers...Hence helping declassify them as a cult.

I didn’t read anywhere that they chose the term spiritual because of this reason. Many see spiritual and Religious as very different. Spiritual is typically seen by many to be very personal and somewhat inner private path, whereas Religious can be viewed as signing up to an organization with others to worship a common God.

To me Religious would seem more cult like than spiritual.

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Botched Programming · « **Reply #44 on:** August 30, 2010, 09:51:26 PM »

Quote from: "Whooter"

Quote from: "Botched Programming"
A simple spiritual not religious program.... The reason they chose to be spiritual and not religious is so they don't have to claim church status as that would require ordained ministers...Hence helping declassify them as a cult.

I didn’t read anywhere that they chose the term spiritual because of this reason. Many see spiritual and Religious as very different. Spiritual is typically seen by many to be very personal and somewhat inner private path, whereas Religious can be viewed as signing up to an organization with others to worship a common God.

To me Religious would seem more cult like than spiritual.

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So you can only find one thing to knit pick about on that post... I will take it as a compliment... Got you thinking didn't it...

PS Go into you local church and present that to the minister.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Quote from: "Mohandas Gandhi"

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Peace and much healing
:peace:

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