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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2010, 10:39:10 PM »
Buzzkill, your statement is contradicted by the evidence at hand.  Millions of Christians have killed other people in the name of Christianity.  Your opinion may be that their behaviour is in contradiction to Christianity, but very clearly they did not share that opinion.  The other side of this coin is that a billion or so people who deem themselves to be good muslims live their daily lives without engaging in the murder of other human beings in the name of their religion, despite your opinion that they need to be a-slaying to be good muslims.   Since people who claim to be following their religions both kill and refrain from killing, it is not logically consistent to claim that religion makes muslims "primitive and viscious."
Again, one need only to look at the massive numbers of people killed by agents of the US state over the years to see that something other than Islam is at the root of violent behaviour.  This includes, but is of course not limited to the tens of thousands dead in the Phillipines between 1899-1902, hundreds of thousands of North Korean civilians killed by aerial bombing between 1950-53, a few million folks of various Indo-chinese nationalties, also killed by aerial bombing between 1955-1975, a million or so Iraqi children dead as a result of the sanctions program and destruction of infrastructure between 1991-2003, and the hundreds of thousand of Iraqis who have lost their lives since the occupation beginning in 2003.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2010, 12:53:02 AM »
Maybe they should build a giant hebrew temple at ground zero, complete with a holocost memorial. I wonder how long that would remain standing?
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« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2010, 10:59:16 AM »
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Buzzkill, what happed to Dr. Gabriel sounds just exactly like what happened to Galileo.

It was similar. The threat of death was there. I don't recall that he was actually imprisoned or tortured of sentenced to die - just that the threat was very real. He was on a kind of house arrest, wasn't he? I can't recall specifics.  But even if he was tossed in a dungon by the Bishops and racked there are still important differences.  His father didn't try to murder him for his POV - nor would his family have hunted him down and murdered him if he had fled to a distant land. Also, as you point out - it was long ago - not recently. And, as I keep pointing out, if they did do these things, they would have been acting in rebellion and sin according to their God's word, not in obedience to it.

IMO, if you want to change muslim violence you first have to get honest about it. People have got to stop with this political correctness garbage. Islam is in no way a "religion of peace". It demands the bloody death of all who resist it. It demands in-human brutality toward women and children. It is horrific and evil in its teachings and practice.  Individual muslims who recognize the evil and who want something better need to do exactly what Dr. Gabriel did. Western nations need to be very clear that Islamic nations can be what they are if this is what they want, but if they leave and come here they can not bring it with them. Child abuse and rape, spousal rape and battery, murder for honor or convenience or racial and religious intolerance are not protected by the US Constitution or any law of any non-Islamic nation.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2010, 01:59:30 PM »
As most of us around here are acutely aware, it can be anywhere from difficult to impossible to influence the mind of a true believer. Moreso when they are surrounded by others with the same opinion. I think the only part of the puzzle somewhat within our reach is to try to reel our own governments and corporations in and get them to quit creating Blowback. Withdraw from foreign entanglements, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, So. America and all the other 200+ foreign nations in which we are inappropriately, unconstitutionally involved.

In other words, trade with all nations, alliance with none. Quit trying to conquer the world. I want the Old Deal back!
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2010, 02:54:18 PM »
Our enemies have an easy target with us Americans.  They are sitting back laughing at us debating whether or not we should allow a mosque at ground Zero.  They have the upper hand every time because they use our own laws against us.  There is an Orthodox Church  which was destroyed when the towers fell but have been met with nothing but road blocks trying to rebuild, yet the Mosque gets overwhelming support.

I think as Americans we cannot just deny the building of the Mosques because of their religion.  If they are building it with good intentions they should be able to understand the sensitivity of this location and be open to dialog.  Why not build it a couple of blocks down the road?

The guy who bought the land, at ground zero, for the mosque was waiting tables in New York City 7 years ago and now has the funds to purchase this land in downtown Manhattan and Finance this Mosque?  I think as a minimum we should understand where this money is coming from.

An earlier post made reference to an analog of building a swine slaughter house next to the Mosque.  This would be legal but would it be the right thing to do?  The same question should be asked of this Mosque placement.   There may be more suitable places to build this which would make all parties happy.



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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2010, 03:12:59 PM »
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This should help.

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/07/t ... video.html

Pretty well explains the problem.

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As most of us around here are acutely aware, it can be anywhere from difficult to impossible to influence the mind of a true believer. Moreso when they are surrounded by others with the same opinion. I think the only part of the puzzle somewhat within our reach is to try to reel our own governments and corporations in and get them to quit creating Blowback. Withdraw from foreign entanglements, including Israel, Saudi Arabia, So. America and all the other 200+ foreign nations in which we are inappropriately, unconstitutionally involved.

In other words, trade with all nations, alliance with none. Quit trying to conquer the world. I want the Old Deal back!

I have some sympathy for this POV.  I agree to a point. But here's the problem as I see it - there is no way to avoid blow back because they are the aggressors. They attack, we react, then they attack b/c we reacted. Does anyone really think they'll stop attacking if we stop reacting?

I can never support abandoning Israel b/c when we do God will abandon us.  But aside from this very real concern -

Should civilized nations really ignore slaughter and genocide? For example, Afghanistan. I'd like to suggest the reading of A Thousand Splendid Suns. Consider that the Taliban has murdered children for talking to American's; Decapitated teachers in front of their families for teaching girls; Generally keeps women so subjugated that a donkey has more right to expect kindness and justice from its owner than a woman does of her father or husband or brother; And they will quickly overrun that country as soon as we leave. So, which is more wrong? Stay and piss them off or leave and get them slaughtered?  Consider much of Africa - they slaughter each other on a regular basis. Remember the world criticism when we failed to charge into Rwanda? And it was awful. But we'd also have been criticized had we gone rushing in. There would have been blow back for sure.  laissez-fair is not so easily achieved or so harmless or so neutral as we might wish.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2010, 03:18:31 PM »
This is a funny game, using circular reasoning.  The proposal of a mosque is insensistive or disrespectful if the violent acts of September 11, 2001 are a manifestation of the religion of Islam as it relates to all who would call themselves Muslims.  Since the explanations for the motivation for the attacks run the gamut from retalliation against the US for it's support of Israel to the childish notion that Usama Bin Laden hates the fact that Britney Spears' vulva is on the cover of Cosmo, it is not self-evident that the attacks were in keeping with Islamic beliefs as they are accepted and practiced by most Muslims.  It is a propaganda move.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2010, 12:12:38 AM »
Ed Koch
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Posted: August 16, 2010 04:10 PM
"President George Washington's Letter to the Jews of Rhode Island Applies to the Muslims of New York".
 
President Obama was right to express his views on constructing a mosque near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 catastrophe:

As a citizen and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in Lower Manhattan in accordance with local laws and ordinances.

The president is also right to oppose as he does the efforts by some to amend the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution to bar babies born to illegal immigrants from becoming citizens.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who was first to take up the fight to protect the legitimate rights of American Muslims to build a mosque near Ground Zero, was right and courageous to lead the way and point Americans in the right direction.

President Obama, according to the New York Times of Aug. 15, is now "faced with withering Republican criticism of his defense of the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque near Ground Zero." Those leading the charge against the president, according to the Times, "including Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, Representative John A. Boehner, the House minority leader and Representative Peter King of New York, forcefully rejected the president's stance."

The president's position will be remembered by later generations of Americans with the same high regard as President George Washington's letter in 1790 to the Jews of Rhode Island who built the Touro Synagogue in that state. Moses Seixas of the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, wrote to George Washington:

Deprived as we heretofore have been of the invaluable rights of free Citizens, we now with a deep sense of gratitude to the Almighty disposer of all events behold a Government, erected by the Majesty of the People -- a Government, which to bigotry gives no sanction, to persecution no assistance -- but generously affording to all Liberty of conscience, and immunities of Citizenship: -- deeming every one, of whatever Nation, tongue, or language equal parts of the great governmental Machine: -- This so ample and extensive Federal Union whose basis is Philanthropy, Mutual confidence and Public Virtue, we cannot but acknowledge to be the work of the Great God, who ruleth in the Armies of Heaven, and among the Inhabitants of the Earth, doing whatever seemeth him good.

President Washington responded as follows:

   ... The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent national gifts. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support. It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my Administration, and fervent wishes for my felicity. May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, and there shall be none to make him afraid. May the father of all mercies scatter light and not darkness in our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in his own due time and way everlastingly happy. G. Washington

Let us not do again, albeit in different form and to a different group, what we did to Japanese-Americans during World War II when we rounded them up without cause. No Japanese-American was ever charged with treason, notwithstanding that they were placed in internment camps for the balance of the war.

I am a proud Jew. Proud of my religion and my culture. Columnist David Brooks, also Jewish and similarly proud, in a New York Times article of January 12, 2010, wrote of our people's accomplishments:


    Jews are a famously accomplished group. They make up 0.2 percent of the world population, but 54 percent of the world chess champions, 27 percent of the Nobel physics laureates and 31 percent of the medicine laureates. Jews make up 2 percent of the U.S. population, but 21 percent of the Ivy League student bodies, 26 percent of the Kennedy Center honorees, 37 percent of the Academy Award-winning directors, 38 percent of those on a recent Business Week list of leading philanthropists, 51 percent of the Pulitzer Prize winners for nonfiction.

We Jews also have our share of thieves, predators, child molesters, Ponzi-schemers, traitors and profiteers. Muslims have their share of great world accomplishments -- the concept of zero, advancements in mathematics, medicine, chemistry, botany and astronomy. They also have their share of crazies, tyrants, homophobes, those holding hostile and irrational attitudes towards women, vilification of Jews, Christians, Hindus and other so-called infidels.

Let's be calm now and not need the passage of time to bring us to our senses and years later apologize. Of course, those who suffered the loss of loved ones, and those exposed to the catastrophe of 9/11 have every right to hold opinions opposing the building of the mosque. They are grieving and rightfully enraged at anyone associated in any way with the 19 Muslim terrorists who were responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans killed on 9/11, and all of us must sympathize with them and their feelings.

But Americans must never forget who we are and why our Founding Fathers and those who built the original 13 colonies came here. It was primarily to find and create a new country in which they could practice religious freedom, denied them in England. Jews found that freedom of religion in New Amsterdam, where the East India Company of Holland directed the first public anti-Semite in that city -- its Governor, Peter Stuyvesant -- to let them in, he first refusing to do so.


I believe we are locked in battle with fanatical Islam and will be for the foreseeable future. I do not believe the vast majority of Muslims, and American Muslims in particular, are fanatics or enemies of the American people.

Government should neither favor nor hinder the efforts of religious institutions, other than to protect their rights to engage in carrying them out as permitted under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

A final word on those seeking to end the concept of American citizenship by virtue of birth, led by Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC):

Don't they understand that the concept of citizenship by birth is one of the great American ideas of which we have been justly proud and which distinguishes us from many other countries and has served us well? They should not fear the Know Nothings, whose voices are loud, but whose numbers are small. They should not shame themselves by joining these violators of American values and traditions.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2010, 04:38:41 AM »
I'm Gonna suggest that you all begin to educate yourselves. See and know what muhammad was, what he said, what he meant what he ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  was. see if that co-incides with any of your 'humanist' values. See for yourselves what a christian fundamentalist really , truly is. see if that's different from a christian 'litereralist' or a christian 'evangelical'.See what they really, truly are. you'll know the truth of their belief by their behavior.Same for the muslims. Look at muslim science, architecture, economics, medicine. see the 'progress'. Examine their postulates. Educate yourselves, and now, else live under Shari'a.anne, maybe you''d look good in a burqa. But i bet you wouldn't be comfortable.
There is a war in progress, and it's been in progress for a while, now, about 1300 years, so learn, or lose.
The leading cause of death for muslims is, and has been,... muslims. Is that how you want to live?
learn what dhimmitude is. Why an 'aid flotilla' for gaza , but nothing for the primitive christians and animists of darfur?
I know men who have served in those regions, both israelis and americans ( and brits and australians and germans and a frog) Learn what'Taquiyeh' is, and why.You'll learn far more from apostate muslims than you'll ever learn from the umma. Read the Qu'ran, and know how nonsensensical, how hypocritical, how violent it is. ( it's helpful to know that the secretary for the Caliph of Bagdad re-organized the qu'ran in the twelvfe century, to aid in memorization, and to obliterate it'd contradictions) Learn who riqfa bary is, and learn her suffering.
J.O.M.
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Re: The Muslim Hijacking of Ground Zero
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2010, 08:25:48 AM »
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I'm Gonna suggest that you all begin to educate yourselves. See and know what muhammad was, what he said, what he meant what he ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::  was. see if that co-incides with any of your 'humanist' values. See for yourselves what a christian fundamentalist really , truly is. see if that's different from a christian 'litereralist' or a christian 'evangelical'.See what they really, truly are. you'll know the truth of their belief by their behavior.Same for the muslims. Look at muslim science, architecture, economics, medicine. see the 'progress'. Examine their postulates. Educate yourselves, and now, else live under Shari'a.anne, maybe you''d look good in a burqa. But i bet you wouldn't be comfortable.
There is a war in progress, and it's been in progress for a while, now, about 1300 years, so learn, or lose.
The leading cause of death for muslims is, and has been,... muslims. Is that how you want to live?
learn what dhimmitude is. Why an 'aid flotilla' for gaza , but nothing for the primitive christians and animists of darfur?
I know men who have served in those regions, both israelis and americans ( and brits and australians and germans and a frog) Learn what'Taquiyeh' is, and why.You'll learn far more from apostate muslims than you'll ever learn from the umma. Read the Qu'ran, and know how nonsensensical, how hypocritical, how violent it is. ( it's helpful to know that the secretary for the Caliph of Bagdad re-organized the qu'ran in the twelvfe century, to aid in memorization, and to obliterate it'd contradictions) Learn who riqfa bary is, and learn her suffering.
J.O.M.
 ::unhappy::

I've read the Koran, albeit an English translation (which some Muslims have told me is inadequate to truly get it, "it's gotta be in Arabic" they said----sounds like jive to me).  It is completely nonsensical.  Personally, I think Mohammed had syphilis and went insane.  Hell, if I claimed to have met God in the desert they'd fucking lock me up, not start a religion around my hallucinations (NOTE: I actually HAVE started a religion based on my hallucinations) I think Islam is a dangerous idea.  All religions (except mine) suck, and are vehicles for social control.  I think we should nuke the fuck out of Mecca and irradiate the whole goddamn region......fuck all those assholes.  We should quit sending our kids to die over there, ICBMs should do the trick very nicely.  Those fuckwads over there are NO DAMN GOOD, and their conspiracy to take over all the world's small, filthy convenience stores is rivaled only by the Hindus.   Plus, Muslims don't drink alcohol, so you know you can't trust the fuckers.

 I really hope Yiddy gets the guts to nuke Iran, too----but they'll probably just manipulate us into doing it for them.
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but they'll probably just manipulate us into doing it for them.

 :rofl:  ::poke::  :lala:  :dose:  :roflmao:
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An Example of Taqiyya
Tuesday, November 11

IN THE BOOK, Terrorist Hunter: The Extraordinary Story of a Woman Who Went Undercover to Infiltrate the Radical Islamic Groups Operating in America, Rita Katz wrote about being at an IAP conference in Chicago. IAP is the Islamic Association for Palestine. There were lots of booths at the conference for "charitable" organizations, and at one of these booths, Katz met a man she already knew about: Muhammad Salah. She pretended she didn't know who he was, and he introduced himself as a "Muslim human rights activist."

Katz, a non-Muslim woman dressed as a Muslim, wrote, "He was small, thin, nearly bald. Totally harmless looking." He told her these conferences were so important because "we can teach you about the oppression and sufferings of Muslims in America and all over the world."

Then he told Katz his story. He had been a Palestinian with an American citizenship, a used-car salesman, working in Chicago when he went to Israel to "visit family and friends." But in Israel he was arrested by the Israeli authorities and thrown into prison for five years!

Katz looked appropriately appalled and asked why in heaven's name would they put him in prison? "Because the Israelis oppress innocent Palestinians," he said. "And do you know what is the most shocking part? When I returned to the U.S., after I was tortured and I thought I was going to die in that prison, the Americans placed me under investigation and froze my assets! Me, an innocent citizen, a car dealer, a family man, father of five!"

To any other kafir this probably would have been a convincing story. The poor, oppressed Muslim! It's just wrong to treat people that way. Those Israelis must be very cruel. Those Americans are so oppressive to Muslims!

But Katz was not an ordinary kafir. She researched people like Salah for a living. She knew all about him. This frail, innocent-looking man was the leader of the worldwide military wing of Hamas, a brutal terrorist organization! When he was arrested in Israel he had a hundred thousand dollars in cash on him. In his testimony, he admitted the money was supposed to go to "members of Hamas's military wing." He displayed detailed inside knowledge of Hamas's structure and funding, and his testimony was later used as evidence in the New York trial of Musa Abu Marzook, the leader of the political bureau of Hamas (and the man who had appointed Salah to his position as leader of the military wing).

Katz writes:

    "Salah disclosed (in his testimony) that he'd been authorized by Marzook to recruit individuals for training in the uses of explosives to fight in the 'holy war.' In the United States, Salah began training ten such recruits, three of whom were chosen to carry out attacks. In addition to supervising the building of bombs, explosives, and remote detonation devices, Salah was instructed by Marzook to develop biological and chemical weapons for Hamas."

When Nasser Hidmi was caught trying to detonate a bomb in Israel, he said he had been chosen by none other than the poor, innocent, abused, oppressed Muslim, Muhammad Salah.

This is an example of taqiyya, the principle of religious deception. According to mainstream Islamic doctrine, Islam is in a permanent state of war with any non-Muslim who opposes the rule of Shari'a law. And in war, deceit is a legitimate tactic.

In other words, as long as it helps the Islamic goal of making the whole world submit to Shari'a law, it is perfectly all right to lie and deceive.

When I was trying to figure out what I would choose as the three most important things to tell a non-Muslim about Islam, taqiyya was one of the three. The use of taqiyya is the main reason most non-Muslims are so confused about the real nature of Islam — they are constantly being intentionally deceived by Islamic supremacists posing as reasonable, "moderate" Muslims, who are thoroughly fooling everyone from political leaders to the media that "Islam is a religion of peace" and that "Islam has been hijacked by extremists."

What they don't want non-Muslims to know is that Islamic teachings are highly political and it is a Muslim's religious duty to strive to accomplish Islam's primary political goal — the establishment of worldwide Shari'a law — in any way he can for his whole life.

Why wouldn't Islamic supremacists want non-Muslims to know this? Because they can make a lot more progress toward their goal if most of us are in the dark.

But now you know. If you don't, read the Qur'an and find out for yourself. And then spread the word.

How Taqiyya Alters Islam’s Rules of War

http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/07/w ... sques.html

What's the Big Deal About Mosques?
Sunday, July 4

PEOPLE SEEM to be protesting the construction of mosques all over the non-Muslim world, from London to New York, from Switzerland to Australia. Why?

"The way to gain influence among the Muslim community is to control the mosques," Steven Emerson says, speaking of the building and purchasing of mosques around America by the Muslim American society (which has ties to the Muslim Brotherhood). "The way to control what people think in the Muslim community is to have the right imam preach the right message. So by acquiring these mosques the Muslim American Society gets the right to appoint the imam and distribute the message they believe is necessary to spread Islam around the world."

Emerson is an expert on these matters. He is the author of six books, and co-author of two more. His television documentary, "Jihad in America," won the 1994 George Polk Award for best Television Documentary, and top prize for best investigative reporting from Investigative Reporters and Editors. He is also the Executive Director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, a data-gathering center on Islamist groups. Emerson frequently testifies before Congressional committees on al-Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and other terrorist organizations.

The majority of mosques in the U.S. are urging Muslims to undermine the government and eventually overthrow it. Read more about that here: Mapping Sharia.

Read more about the surprising role mosques traditionally serve in Islam: A Concession That Should Not Be Granted.

Read more about who funds mosques: The Wahhabi Invasion of America.
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hellosnackbar 3:23 PM  

    There is a movement in the UK to counteract the building of mosques
    by spraying the ground of the proposed site with pig products;a form of gentle terrorism.(no violence).
    Expect the EDL to make use of such tactics.
    Should be interesting?

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A Concession That Should Not Be Granted
Saturday, November 15

MUSLIMS LIVING IN the West are waging jihad by gaining concessions. And one of the concessions they've been easily attaining in the free world is permission to build mosques by the thousands, usually funded by Saudi oil money, and controlled by Jihadis.

Western countries hardly think twice when Muslims want to build a mosque, because Westerners think of mosques as simply "places of worship." But Jihadis consider mosques on foreign soil to be staging posts for further encroachments into the country with the ultimate goal of establishing the law of Allah in that new land.

In other words, Western countries are allowing Jihadis to build forward bases for their military infiltration. That might sound like fear-mongering, but it's a plain fact that even Jihadis don't try to hide. Jihad is preached in mosques, and it is not the exception, but the rule. Seditious material is for sale and given to mosque-goers all over the free world. (Read more about the kind of messages promoted in mosques in the United States and Britain.)

In short, a mosque is a military outpost in the invasion of a non-Muslim country.

The book, The Mosque Exposed, is written by two ex-Muslims, S. Solomon and E. Alamaqdisi. In it, they write, "...in Islam...the mosque is always the center, the beginning, and the end of all Islamic affairs..." As Fatwa #26159 says:

    "For a mosque is symbol of the presence of Islam, the heartbeat of the Muslim community, an educational outlet where the community is taught to combat evil, ignorance and apostasy. It is a university as well as a court, from where the laws of Allah are promoted, it is a symbol of authority within that community and ultimately within the state and beyond, for the Apostle of Allah said Islam rises and nothing rises above it, for it is the uppermost."


A mosque is just a building. But in Islam, the mosque is the center of their religion, and in Islam the religion is totally encompassing in a way non-Muslims can hardly imagine. As Solomon and Alamaqdisi write:

    "Islam cannot be defined only as a religion in the Western sense of the word, neither can it be termed as a faith only. It is a whole encompassing system. It is first and foremost a socio-political and socio-religious system, as well as socio-economic, socio-educational, legislative, judiciary, and military system, cloaked and garbed in religious terminology, with regulations that govern every aspect of the lives of its adherents and their relationships among themselves, and with those that are non-Muslims.

    "The main institution that plays a central role in the Muslim community directing their lives and almost everything related to that is the mosque."


Muslims are required to emulate Mohammad in all ways, and Mohammad used the mosque as a home-base where jihad was declared, where fatwas were made, where indoctrination took place, where raids and attacks were planned, where the planning and building of the Islamic State took place, where military orders were given, and it was in the mosque where Mohammad gave his death sentences to the enemies of Islam.

It says over seventy times in the Qur'an that a Muslim should follow Mohammad's example.

Given all that, a new policy should be established in democracies around the world: No more mosques can be built. And the ones that already exist should be closely monitored. When a mosque is found to promote sedition, it should be closed. A new mosque is a concession that should not be granted.
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Anonymous 12:13 PM  

    Dear Citizen Warrior,

    Your article, "A Concession That Should Not Be Granted" is essential for our National Security. Your suggestions to prevent building future mosques, monitoring the existing ones, and shutting down those guilty of sedition is absolutely essential for our national security. You deserve the highest respect and appreciation for these insightful recommendations. It is a tragedy of negligence that our politicians and national security apparatus have not implemented these long ago.

    You state, "a mosque is a military outpost in the invasion of a non-Muslim country". You are absolutely correct and your point has been proven a million times over during the last thousand years right up to the present. Unless and until we forbid mosques the United States will continue "drifting" into extremely dangerous territory.

    All Americans should stand up to commend and applaud your courage in telling what the truth actually is, and pointing out how our national security has been seriously jeopardized by the "mushrooming" of mosques in the USA. Mosques truly are the staging areas for the conquest of infidel countries, and this point cannot be overstressed.

    Sincerely,

    Martel Sobieskey
River Fred 5:33 PM  

    The politically correct will destroy America. I am proud to be politically incorrect.

    Fred
Citizen Warrior 4:51 AM  

    Congressional Candidate Vijay Kumar wrote an excellent article detailing the Islamic meaning and use of mosques:

    THE MUSLIM MOSQUE: A STATE WITHIN A STATE

    It's well worth reading.
Citizen Warrior 4:56 AM  

    An excerpt from the article, THE MUSLIM MOSQUE: A STATE WITHIN A STATE:

    These same patterns and political mandates have been used over and over by Muslims since 610 A.D. to invade and conquer many civilizations and nations throughout the world, and to eradicate human rights and freedoms in those lands. Iran once was called Persia and was Zorastrian. Egypt was Christian. What was once a Hindu civilization was conquered and made into Pakistan, which is now part of the Axis of Jihad, along with Iran and Saudi Arabia. Afghanistan was Buddhist for thousands of years. Now its chief exports are heroin and Islamic terrorism.

    “When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.” —Quran 17:16

    In every instance where Islam has conquered and “destroyed utterly” a nation or civilization, the key to the conquest was the establishment of mosques, which are political and military command and control centers for Islam, and which all point toward the seat of Islamic power: the Kaaba.
Citizen Warrior 4:11 PM  

    Here are step-by-step instructions for stopping a mosque-building proposal in your town:

    SIOA Mosque Manifesto: All Mosques are Not Created Equal, A Handy Guide to Fighting the Muslim Brotherhood
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