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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2010, 01:55:51 PM »
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Hi Anne Bonney

I don't avoid questions, but I do avoid extremist personalities not open to discussion. I don't think you are one of them really.


Ok then.....which program did you attend?

Like I said, readers are free to draw their own conclusions on why somebody might want to keep personal information to themselves on a forum hostile to any pro treatment ideas.

Stating which program you attended is not personally identifying information.  So, I guess it can't hold up to scrutiny then, huh?

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As I've said before, I went to a program that has its own dedicated forum here.

Which is why you're scared shitless to identify it.

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If it lowers my credibility to keep some information to myself that's a price I'm willing to pay.

You really have no credibility to begin with, so it can't exactly hurt it.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2010, 02:20:17 PM »
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Hi Anne Bonney

I don't avoid questions, but I do avoid extremist personalities not open to discussion. I don't think you are one of them really.


Ok then.....which program did you attend?

Like I said, readers are free to draw their own conclusions on why somebody might want to keep personal information to themselves on a forum hostile to any pro treatment ideas.

Stating which program you attended is not personally identifying information.  So, I guess it can't hold up to scrutiny then, huh?

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As I've said before, I went to a program that has its own dedicated forum here.

Which is why you're scared shitless to identify it.

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If it lowers my credibility to keep some information to myself that's a price I'm willing to pay.

You really have no credibility to begin with, so it can't exactly hurt it.

Of course it doesn't hold up to the scrutiny of fornits, it has its own subforum here. But then again, does any program stand up to the scrutiny of fornits? We both know the answer to that. If I have no credibility, you and other people sure waste a lot of time arguing against me.  Feel free to avoid my threads if you feel that way.
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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2010, 02:27:21 PM »
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Of course it doesn't hold up to the scrutiny of fornits, it has its own subforum here.

Apparently for good reason.


 
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But then again, does any program stand up to the scrutiny of fornits?


Yes, voluntary, with real professionals that don't use the humiliation tactics or isolation or censor contact with family or use pain compliance, or shock treatment that the TTI seems so fond of.

Now, since it won't compromise your identity....which program(s) did you attend?
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2010, 02:33:09 PM »
I could tell you a long story in response to your last post, but I don't have time right now. The world isn't black and white.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2010, 02:34:37 PM »
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I could tell you a long story in response to your last post, but I don't have time right now. The world isn't black and white.



Mmmmmm   hmmmmm........sure you could.  ::)
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2010, 02:37:23 PM »
SUCK IT are you still being a manwhore trolling for attention?   ::OMG::   ::OMG::  ::OMG::
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2010, 03:49:45 PM »
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Danny....the title of the thread is Addicts helping Addicts......does that "help" include dragging a girl around behind a van as a "therapeutic tool"?

Absolutely, so long as she got sober. Some folks have been known to roll a peanut down the road with there nose, to get sober.
Hey, just say'in.
Anne, the girl behind the van has lost its appeal.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2010, 04:25:58 PM »
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No here is the real lesson, Anne but first let me state that I am sick and tired of your stubbornness (just joking), here on this topic.

Hey, you're the one seeking attention by constantly posting a thread about this topic and then respond to yourself when we all ignore you.

Anne, stop being antagonistic. What made you think I was referring to you. I did not request a certain person reply specifically.

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Here is your citation, me. Two decades of experience, need I say more. This can not be refuted.

That you wasted 2 decades of your life devoted to AA cannot be refuted, but your "citation" of yourself doesn't prove a damn thing.  Do you really not understand the difference between proof and anecdotal stories?

No, not wasted Anne, conscious decisions. Anne, if they were to do a studies, surveys and report this info to a peer review, don't ya think that I would be a perfect example of that study. Why, yes I would. Thanks.
So lets just cut to the chase and say, "I am your citation". Actually I am very serious. Frankly, this is about as close to a citation, your going to get.
Well, you should already know this because you have extensive experience with AA.


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You can claim it's all lies, but that doesn't mean they, as an organization are not successful. I've had good experience with AA/NA, and I post about it, that's where I'm coming from.

Ok...that's your experience and your opinion.  Valliant's study proves differently.


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Suck It and I are involved with AA, we are living it. Have been blessed by the rewards of AA 12 steps. That is the difference between you and the both of us.

The difference between you and me is that I grew the balls to take responsibility for my actions and grew up.  You've devoted 2 decades to a pseudo-cult.

So your saying I have not taken responsibility for my life because I am affiliated with AA. I do take responsibility for my set of balls, god gave them to me. Thanks.
Your growing a set of balls explains a lot about your personality. Your a very aggressive, "shemale" or what ever they call women who grows balls.
AA is not a pseudo-cult or a cult. Anne it is free, on so many levels.


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Also Anne, you do not have extensive experience with AA first hand, you were in a 12 step program that greatly distorted the 12 steps to a point they were unrecognizable to any AA in the real world. Anne, Suck It and I, freely came to AA and picked up the tools of the 12 steps.

I have years of experience with AA and I've told you that several times.  I've also had family members in AA and seen what it's done to (not for) them.

Anne I am trying to believe you but you make it very hard. You can not count your time in Straight, we are talking AA on the outside. Your family members going to AA, has nothing to do with you, so stop acting like Ginger here. She loves to say she knows all about AA, through her family, also.
We are talking about your experiences and by your comments and opinions/experiences, you have had either no experience with AA or one to two meeting worth of AA.



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Anne this statement right here, speaks volumes about your lack of experience with the Real Free World Of AA. As I said above you were involved with a narcissist ugly form of the 12 steps. I can't even call it AA because it was not. You have been so traumatized by this experience that you believe AA in the real world is also like what you were taught at Straight. Well this is just not true.
I know you have stated in the past that you have attended AA meeting outside of Straight. I believe you Anne, I also know that you were abused by Straight prior to going to meetings outside. You were already contaminated, Anne. Prejudice had set in.

To the contrary...I was hoping that AA would be different than Straight.  I was wrong.  There were/are sooooooo many similarities it's downright scary.

Anne, like I said above I am trying to believe you but it is very hard because you will resort to fabrications to make a point, without any remorse.
Your entire experience with AA, has been reading the OJ papers, various ex-members of AA (who you don't know personally) and here on fornits. That should tell the audience something right there.


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As far as studies Anne, you just don't get it and you probably never will. That's fine too because your not a alcoholic or drug addict. So what difference does it really make.

Because I have friends and family who needed help, not lies.

Ya and AA just messed them up. Totally ruined their lives, completely. I mean their probably still in a mental institution right now. Can we get any more dramatic, Oh, yes we can. Get your buddy Ursus and James Ray, then we can really party.
I'm sure your friends are just fine, they probably were not alcoholics like you. So what the hey, they did not belong there.



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We do not concern ourselves with surveys and reports.

Well, of course not.  Why let facts get in the way of your opinions?

NO not opinions Anne, (definition of opinion, theory....) I did not and am not living a theory, this is real.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2010, 06:40:06 PM »
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Marijuana G E T S .  Y O U . H I G H . . .

I love that about it....whether it's a drug or not is a secondary issue..  :rasta:


Yo, Frodie get high, Dude. Then get high again, get your family high, your grandson get him high. Sit with your daughter when she tells you she is pregnant and hand her the, "fatty" and get her high. Go to work get your boss high, find the owner and get him high. Call your State Senator, get him high, call your congressmen and get him high.
Barak and Michelle ask them to get high, hand the "fatty" to his daughters and get them high.
Drive across town and get high, go to WalMart and get high. Ask your grandmother for money and get her high, then you get high.
Take your dog for a walk, no don't get him high but show him how, "you need to get high".

You are high, "Frodie", way "HIGH".

Wow.....and you call us "extremists".  Do you really think the average person who smokes gets their grandkids/daughter or other families high?   This is another example of AA thinking.....if you use any substance, you're an addict.  I'm sorry you guys are so jealous that we can handle our drinks/weed and you obviously can't.
 

Anne, it was a attempt at comedy/satire.....get it. Relax child and burn one.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2010, 06:42:13 PM »
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No danny you ceratinly are not my problem but you are a problem for Fornits. You and the drug addicted scum you represent are engaged, by your own admittance, in an organized campaign to harrass any and all who come here seeking answers about their abusive treatment at the facilities you represent. As far as the credibility issue you raised, I have friends who come to this site regularly who know me personally and know that everything i have said is 100 percent right on. Whether or not some low life drugged out "powerless" dirtbag believes a word i say, is utterly irrelevant. I am not even here to have a serious conversation anymore because you have made that impossible now. I will now devote myself to doing back to you here what you have done to others previously. Yeah I need some fun too. BTW, when you were blowing truckers for meth money did you let them finish in your mouth or did you prefer facials? Just wonderin drug addict. I mean you can tell us right? Your not responsible for that right? Your powerless over drugs. You have a disease. Right?
Oops almost forgot, you ordered me to never and I mean never say that I speak for Straight survivors. Well I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself but since I dont take orders from crackhead needle junkies I am now officially declaring myself spokesperson for 100 percent of Straight survivors. Yep im the new fuckin president of our club.

Like I said Shaggy, you are a nuisance. I deal with folks like you all the time. No big deal. Your probably a poster here already, impersonating yourself.
So go on with your filthy posts, make sure you let your wife and kids read them. Don't live a double life.
See I think your a liar, there is no way you can be in a loving relationship with others and speak like this. Unless there is something else happening here, Hhhhhmmmmm........will see.


You are, without a doubt, one of the biggest idiots I've come across in a very long time.

WOW,  I think we found out who shaggy is or pretty close..... :rofl:
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2010, 06:44:53 PM »
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Quote from: "Froderik"
Marijuana G E T S .  Y O U . H I G H . . .

I love that about it....whether it's a drug or not is a secondary issue..  :rasta:


Yo, Frodie get high, Dude. Then get high again, get your family high, your grandson get him high. Sit with your daughter when she tells you she is pregnant and hand her the, "fatty" and get her high. Go to work get your boss high, find the owner and get him high. Call your State Senator, get him high, call your congressmen and get him high.
Barak and Michelle ask them to get high, hand the "fatty" to his daughters and get them high.
Drive across town and get high, go to WalMart and get high. Ask your grandmother for money and get her high, then you get high.
Take your dog for a walk, no don't get him high but show him how, "you need to get high".

You are high, "Frodie", way "HIGH".

Wow.....and you call us "extremists".  Do you really think the average person who smokes gets their grandkids/daughter or other families high?   This is another example of AA thinking.....if you use any substance, you're an addict.  I'm sorry you guys are so jealous that we can handle our drinks/weed and you obviously can't.
 

Anne, it was a attempt at comedy/satire.....get it. Relax child and burn one.

Hey Danny, your mother and I just burned one, and then shortly thereafter I found out why they call her "Shaggy" on the street.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2010, 07:25:42 PM »
Yeah Im still here danno. Trying to ignore your insanity/multiple personality disorder. I see you have more than one nemesis here already danno. Surely you dont need more or are you addicted to attention as well as alcohol, drugs and child abuse?
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2010, 09:43:01 PM »
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Yeah Im still here danno. Trying to ignore your insanity/multiple personality disorder. I see you have more than one nemesis here already danno. Surely you dont need more or are you addicted to attention as well as alcohol, drugs and child abuse?

Danny's mother is addicted to my jock.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2010, 10:46:56 PM »
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Yo, Frodie get high, Dude. Then get high again, get your family high, your grandson get him high. Sit with your daughter when she tells you she is pregnant and hand her the, "fatty" and get her high. Go to work get your boss high, find the owner and get him high. Call your State Senator, get him high, call your congressmen and get him high.
Barak and Michelle ask them to get high, hand the "fatty" to his daughters and get them high.
Drive across town and get high, go to WalMart and get high. Ask your grandmother for money and get her high, then you get high.
Take your dog for a walk, no don't get him high but show him how, "you need to get high".

This is the best advice Danny has ever given anyone. Ever.   Usually I disagree with the cocksucker, but I think he hit on something here.  Hell, even a broken, bag-of-dicks-eating clock is right twice a day.



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You are high, "Frodie", way "HIGH".

I certainly hope so, 'cause I like Frod and wish him and endless smoke session.
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Re: Addicts helping addicts
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2010, 10:59:57 PM »
"Hi, my name is SUCK IT and I'm an alcoholic"


If I came here asking for help and said this, I'd be laughed at and told to STFU. I would be told I am a weakling, incapable of controlling my own choices, and that I should be ashamed of myself. Just stop, is what I would be told. Well, this sort of advice doesn't help all that much. What if I went to "the professionals" as advised by some posters, and told them this? They would respond by asking for my insurance card or my credit card number. It's sad, but true. These people spend a lot of money on their education, and expect to be paid back and make a good salary, this is just the world we live in. That's their right, and nobody should be forced to work for less money than they are worth. What if I went to an AA meeting and said this? They would say, "Hi, SUCK IT, why don't you have a seat and listen". So I would, and at the end of the meeting someone would probably come up to me, and say "here's my phone number, call me if you need any help, anytime", and then another would come up and say "do you have plans right now? want to get some dinner and discuss sobriety?" Another might question " Do you have a sponsor yet?"

Now look at this honestly. Pretend you are me, SUCK IT, the alcoholic. Which one of these options is the most helpful? Which one provides you with the most relief, and the best chance of recovery? I know the hatred for AA runs pretty deep, what I can't really figure out is why. I don't see AA in the business of running private teen programs, so what's the problem? I know it works because I've seen it work. But even more importantly, at least it's there. To be shunned by the people here asking for help, told you don't have enough money for "The professionals" help, at least there are people out there who are willing to help. They do so because they are empathetic towards other alcoholics and addicts, and they don't expect anything in return. A lot of families give up on alcoholics, and drug addicts, and it's not to say without good reason a lot of times. When you are somebody who has truly hit rock bottom like this, AA , well really the people who make up AA, they are guardian angels who are saving people's lives, in every sense. So think about it for a while. If you were desperate, and at your rock bottom, where would you go for help? I guess you could always call that guy who advertises on CNN who has "the cure" to addiction and see if that works.
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