Addicts helping addicts

[DannyB II]

What is really sickening is these addict losers thinking their gonna save everybody else from themselves. They want to convince every weak-minded deadbeat like themselves that they are "powerless" over drugs and alcohol so that they dont have to feel like a degenerate piece of filth for letting a substance control their lives. My question to any neutral person reading this is simple: Do you want your children being "treated" by someone who has already shown by their past behavior that they have absolutely no moral compass whatsoever. DannyBII, Whooter, Suck it and other such trash are always ready to "relapse" and start giving blowjobs for dope money in a heartbeat. I wouldn't allow my children to even associate with ex-crack head, needle junkie human garbage like that.
Come on you troll filth, there is your red meat, wanna bite?

Brutally put, but accurate.  The only thing I'd add to is that they're not "letting anything control" their lives.  Think about that for a second.  "Let control" is a contradiction in terms.  If you can "let" something than it's not really in control.  The whole idea that an inanimate substance can "control" you, take away any free will, and render you powerless is a fatalistic fantasy pushed by those who find it easier to justify their actions to live with themselves.  Taking full responsibility for crappy choices and bad habits, is a lot harder than saying "the disease made me do it... it's not my fault...  the girl i ran over while drunk...  not my fault...  the wife I beat... not my fault... the children I chose to neglect in favor of my base desires... not my fault... and if i 'relapse' and do it all again... it's not my fault...  you gotta 'let go and let god' man...  he didn't give me free will...  i'm the exception...  it's never ever my fault...  i feel like i'm gonna drink and do something stupid again... may the higher power who didn't grant me free will reach down from the heavens and stop me!".



Psy, here you go again. I still do not know where you got or get your information on AA/NA. You really think were just mindless automatons, just living and breathing this absurd rendition (you have manufactored) of AA/NA's principles.
Well I never had anyone tell me what you are spouting off about concerning God and taking responsibility for ones own life.


Like with political correctness, concepts often become popular because they are more pleasing to believe in or result in less offense, none of which has anything whatsoever to do with their objectively measured accuracy.  Science gives way to anecdote and quackery because it tells people what they want to hear, not what is real.  Sure getting rid of guilt for past actions can help people feel better about themselves... but at what cost?  Absolving a person of all personal responsibility reduces them to believing they are little more than animals, and if they bite an innocent again, it's the "will of the higher power" rather than base desires unleashed by a doctrine devoid of humanity.


Where in heck did you get this concept from Psy. God I wish I could have you sit down with 25-50 folks I know from AA/NA with no less then 20-25 years of sobriety, who are just baffled with this shit you come up with. You could then ask all the questions you would like and we could explain, that what you believe is happening is your perception. Which if you really want to get honest Psy, you don't have much experience with either organization in your lifetime.
We all know you are intelligent yet you seem very inept in your ability to do research in any depth. It seems you become satisfied way to soon, either out of laziness or just being annoyed at the subject material.
If it is the latter then just please refrain from your naive statements, that only cater to the mass here.


 To be human is to be able to make free choices and feel guilt for the bad ones.  Guilt is our way of knowing when we've wronged others and need to make amends, not because of self interest, as some part of "treatment", but because it's the right thing to do.  Guilt is our way of knowing when we need to start making better choices.  Getting rid of guilt by denying the existence of free choice may be more palatable, but the inevitable consequence is more tears for everybody as mistakes are never learned from.


Wonderful explanation of guilt and it's manifestations.


Suck it.  You claim AA/NA are successes.  Post statistics to prove it or shut the hell up.  No statistics, no response.


AA/NA does not do statistics and you know this. Neither organization is concerned with statistics nor is it necessary to be caught up in that lunacy. It is a "self help" 12 step principle, to helping oneself. Pick it up or leave it on the counter, buy the AA Book or don't. Come to a meeting or stay a home. Decisions Pys, all made by the individual.
What is with telling someone to, "shut the hell up".
Relax......

[SUCK IT]

Suck it.  You claim AA/NA are successes.  Post statistics to prove it or shut the hell up.  No statistics, no response.

I don't claim AA/NA is successful, this is a fact. Now whether you believe it works, or doesn't or whatever is another debate altogether. But as far as AA/NA meetings being available in almost every city at all hours of the day and night, all that takes is a google search and you can see just how successful they are. This is similar to saying the Catholic Church has been successful, in that it is very widespread and many people believe in it, and go regularly. You can claim it's all lies, but that doesn't mean they, as an organization are not successful. I've had good experience with AA/NA, and I post about it, that's where I'm coming from.

[shaggys]

Gosh Danny, you are exactly right. I need your advice on how to treat my wife and kids. Oh wait, you have destroyed every relationship you have ever touched so maybe your advice on interpersonal relationships would therefore be a crock of shit equivalent to your posts here.
Lets compare our lives shall we. Danny while you were spongeing off your family and being a leach I was serving our country in the US Army. While you were trading blowjobs for dope money, I was working 60 to 80 hours a week providing for my wife and kids. While you were malingering on the couch too high to get up, I was immersing myself in my Judo and Jiu-Jitsu classes to keep my mind and body sharp. While you didn't and still dont have the self control to enjoy a little toke or beer without bingeing yourself into a pathetic stupor, I could and still can enjoy a drink without it affecting my life in any detrimental way whatsoever. Makes ya sick dont it.
Let me warn you of this scumbag: You obviously use and enjoy fornits way more than i do. Keep up your shit and I will haunt your every step here.If I have to I will be right behind every post you make with my observations on your disgusting excuse for a life. The things I have said here so far are very nice compared to where I can go. A typical confrontation at Straight inc was far far beyond this. I will be glad to share all that with you if I must. Your choice.

[DannyB II]

Gosh Danny, you are exactly right. I need your advice on how to treat my wife and kids. Oh wait, you have destroyed every relationship you have ever touched so maybe your advice on interpersonal relationships would therefore be a crock of shit equivalent to your posts here.
Lets compare our lives shall we. Danny while you were spongeing off your family and being a leach I was serving our country in the US Army. While you were trading blowjobs for dope money, I was working 60 to 80 hours a week providing for my wife and kids. While you were malingering on the couch too high to get up, I was immersing myself in my Judo and Jiu-Jitsu classes to keep my mind and body sharp. While you didn't and still dont have the self control to enjoy a little toke or beer without bingeing yourself into a pathetic stupor, I could and still can enjoy a drink without it affecting my life in any detrimental way whatsoever. Makes ya sick dont it.
Let me warn you of this scumbag: You obviously use and enjoy fornits way more than i do. Keep up your shit and I will haunt your every step here.If I have to I will be right behind every post you make with my observations on your disgusting excuse for a life. The things I have said here so far are very nice compared to where I can go. A typical confrontation at Straight inc was far far beyond this. I will be glad to share all that with you if I must. Your choice.

Ya know I enjoy a little fun from time to time. This is not what I consider fun this is more of a nuisance. Why does every angry and belligerent male poster have to come on this site and fallaciously proclaim they are a Jiu-Jitsu/Judo marshal arts expert with a degree from college, have two kids and a lovely wife.

Am I the only one that smells the bullshit here.

Shaggy come on man, I am not your problem.

Hey you want to impress me send me a video of you using your head as a battering ram, smashing through walls. Let me watch you climb Mt. Everest, scale a building, let me see you in action at a MMF, contest.
Better yet big guy, show me the video of your daughters fist recital, your son playing t-ball, their first birthdays ect......

What is the matter with you acting like this, I am not impressed at all.

There is nothing else we can be talking about other then how much bravado you have.
Dude I am tapped out, I will not be sucked in any more to stupid verbal fights.  

Just so you know my weird new friend, I am USMC Vet., have a BA, own my own mid-size business and have a beautiful sweetheart. Kids are grown 32 and 34 yrs of age.

Now I enjoy life and have for the last 23 years since I laid down the booze and dope, your opinion on this is of no consequence. I am very happy for you that you can enjoy the benefits of weed and a drink. I would have thought, since you
are such a intelligent and compassionate man (family man that you are) that you would embrace my decision to leave substances alone that I can not control.

I obviously can see why you are incapable of having this empathy, your writings here show that you are a very callous man that can not control his rage. Dude forgive yourself and you will see others differently.

Do not and I repeat, "DO NOT" ever say you represent the folks who survived Straight Inc. You are not even close.

take care......

[shaggys]

No danny you ceratinly are not my problem but you are a problem for Fornits. You and the drug addicted scum you represent are engaged, by your own admittance, in an organized campaign to harrass any and all who come here seeking answers about their abusive treatment at the facilities you represent. As far as the credibility issue you raised, I have friends who come to this site regularly who know me personally and know that everything i have said is 100 percent right on. Whether or not some low life drugged out "powerless" dirtbag believes a word i say, is utterly irrelevant. I am not even here to have a serious conversation anymore because you have made that impossible now. I will now devote myself to doing back to you here what you have done to others previously. Yeah I need some fun too. BTW, when you were blowing truckers for meth money did you let them finish in your mouth or did you prefer facials? Just wonderin drug addict. I mean you can tell us right? Your not responsible for that right? Your powerless over drugs. You have a disease. Right?
Oops almost forgot, you ordered me to never and I mean never say that I speak for Straight survivors. Well I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself but since I dont take orders from crackhead needle junkies I am now officially declaring myself spokesperson for 100 percent of Straight survivors. Yep im the new fuckin president of our club.

[DannyB II]

No danny you ceratinly are not my problem but you are a problem for Fornits. You and the drug addicted scum you represent are engaged, by your own admittance, in an organized campaign to harrass any and all who come here seeking answers about their abusive treatment at the facilities you represent. As far as the credibility issue you raised, I have friends who come to this site regularly who know me personally and know that everything i have said is 100 percent right on. Whether or not some low life drugged out "powerless" dirtbag believes a word i say, is utterly irrelevant. I am not even here to have a serious conversation anymore because you have made that impossible now. I will now devote myself to doing back to you here what you have done to others previously. Yeah I need some fun too. BTW, when you were blowing truckers for meth money did you let them finish in your mouth or did you prefer facials? Just wonderin drug addict. I mean you can tell us right? Your not responsible for that right? Your powerless over drugs. You have a disease. Right?
Oops almost forgot, you ordered me to never and I mean never say that I speak for Straight survivors. Well I never claimed to speak for anyone but myself but since I dont take orders from crackhead needle junkies I am now officially declaring myself spokesperson for 100 percent of Straight survivors. Yep im the new fuckin president of our club.

Like I said Shaggy, you are a nuisance. I deal with folks like you all the time. No big deal. Your probably a poster here already, impersonating yourself.
So go on with your filthy posts, make sure you let your wife and kids read them. Don't live a double life.
See I think your a liar, there is no way you can be in a loving relationship with others and speak like this. Unless there is something else happening here, Hhhhhmmmmm........will see.

[shaggys]

Yeah sure danny Im just a liar and so is verybody else who gets sick of your shit here i suppose. Only one problem with that: Lying seems to be the forte of alcoholics and drug addicts like yourself. Self admitted proud child abuser: DannyBII. What a great guy.

[Ursus]

Kids are grown 32 and 34 yrs of age.

Someone who is 34 years of age right now would have been born in 1976, perhaps even in late 1975.

According to other of your posts, Danny, you would have been about 16 years old and "just a kid," doing your time at Elan, at the time this child of yours was born.

Your second child would have - in all probability - also been born during your time at Elan, albeit when you were staff.

 :eek:

Something doesn't quite add up.

[psy]

Something doesn't quite add up.

You do have a talent for spotting details. Bravo.

[justonemore]

psy.. Correct sir, well done! ursus, well done as well! Metal-on-metal right! J.O.M. Still the cracker, still the redneck.

[Troll Control]

No offense, but Hellen Keller could see the discrepancies in Danny's story.  Thanks for pointing it out though.

[justonemore]

hey1 dysfunction junction! that helen keller reference was just insensitive and mean.( but it was funny and accurate)
Lord, let me look for the obvious! J.O.M.

[DannyB II]

Kids are grown 32 and 34 yrs of age.

Someone who is 34 years of age right now would have been born in 1976, perhaps even in late 1975.

According to other of your posts, Danny, you would have been about 16 years old and "just a kid," doing your time at Elan, at the time this child of yours was born.

Your second child would have - in all probability - also been born during your time at Elan, albeit when you were staff.

 :eek:

Something doesn't quite add up.

Well you are right and I jumped a year on both, 8/77 and 4/79.

[DannyB II]

Yeah sure danny Im just a liar and so is verybody else who gets sick of your shit here i suppose. Only one problem with that: Lying seems to be the forte of alcoholics and drug addicts like yourself. Self admitted proud child abuser: DannyBII. What a great guy.

I really don't know if your a liar. I do know from your writing that your upset about something and you want to tell me about it. Well, it would help a great deal if you would watch your mouth and speak as you would speak to your wife. Then maybe I could listen. Otherwise I am not hearing what you are trying to say.
Shaggy, I know you can do it, you made it through the Army.

[DannyB II]

Something doesn't quite add up.

You do have a talent for spotting details. Bravo.

And you have a talent of being a big baby when things don't go your way. I blew holes all through your AA dialog. Keep tossing peanuts at the gallery.