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ACLU letter to Obama
IslamIsViolent:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Buzz,
think of this, some of these folks became US citizens to try and manipulate this process. If they are killing Americans and continue to plot for more destruction, well what can a mother do.
--- End quote ---
Exactly. It's not that I trust the government not to abuse the process but at this point there is no evidence of that. Obama might not be willing to openly speak about the motivations of those who want to kill us but at least he's willing to take some necessary steps. This guy has guided, trained, and recruited people who have conducted attacks on the US and our allies. US citizen or not. He's an enemy.
BuzzKill:
from the ACLU letter:
including U.S.citizens – located far away from zones of actual armed conflict.
And:
The program that you have reportedly authorized appears to envision the use of
lethal force not just on the battlefield in Iraq, Afghanistan, or even the
Pakistani border regions, but anywhere in the world, including against
individuals who may not constitute lawful targets.
So, this is the murder of American citizens, without due process - Anywhere in the world.
If you accept this b/c the "terrorist" is Islamic, or hangs around with those who are - then what about the American Militia member in Montana; or the returning Iraqi marine in Boston; or the right to life protester in Detroit; or the teaparty member in Atlanta? All these people have been listed as persons of concern by the Obama administration.
If you as an American allow this policy the stamp of public approval, you might find yourself a target much faster than you could have imagined possible and all they have to say to justify it is you were a danger to the "republic".
BuzzKill:
--- Quote ---some of these folks became US citizens to try and manipulate this process.
--- End quote ---
I know. And it needs to be stopped. In fact, I'd support a hault to all immigration from Islamic nations. And for those already here - If they don't value America and Americans they need to leave.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---from the ACLU letter:
including U.S.citizens – located far away from zones of actual armed conflict.
And:
The program that you have reportedly authorized appears to envision the use of
lethal force not just on the battlefield in Iraq, Afghanistan, or even the
Pakistani border regions, but anywhere in the world, including against
individuals who may not constitute lawful targets.
So, this is the murder of American citizens, without due process - Anywhere in the world.
If you accept this b/c the "terrorist" is Islamic, or hangs around with those who are - then what about the American Militia member in Montana; or the returning Iraqi marine in Boston; or the right to life protester in Detroit; or the teaparty member in Atlanta? All these people have been listed as persons of concern by the Obama administration.
If you as an American allow this policy the stamp of public approval, you might find yourself a target much faster than you could have imagined possible and all they have to say to justify it is you were a danger to the "republic".
--- End quote ---
OK...this train just ran out of track. I must of missed something, how did we get to Montana and Boston and Marines, Life protesters, Tea parties being killed.
Buzz I thought I got your point but I will have to read more because obviously your very serious about this and I don't want to disrespect ya by being ignorant. (I find that easy to do...lol.) plus I'm tired so I'll save my opinions till tomorrow.
check back.....
IslamIsViolent:
--- Quote from: "BuzzKill" ---from the ACLU letter:
including U.S.citizens – located far away from zones of actual armed conflict.
And:
The program that you have reportedly authorized appears to envision the use of
lethal force not just on the battlefield in Iraq, Afghanistan, or even the
Pakistani border regions, but anywhere in the world, including against
individuals who may not constitute lawful targets.
So, this is the murder of American citizens, without due process - Anywhere in the world.
If you accept this b/c the "terrorist" is Islamic, or hangs around with those who are - then what about the American Militia member in Montana; or the returning Iraqi marine in Boston; or the right to life protester in Detroit; or the teaparty member in Atlanta? All these people have been listed as persons of concern by the Obama administration.
If you as an American allow this policy the stamp of public approval, you might find yourself a target much faster than you could have imagined possible and all they have to say to justify it is you were a danger to the "republic".
--- End quote ---
I think "anywhere in the world" applies to places where it is not reasonably possible to apprehend (outside western countries in places like rural villages in Pakistan and caves in Afghanistan). And as I said, Obama has not yet abused this power. The alternative is to let terrorists plot, kill, and wage war against us unabated simply because they hold American passports. If Bin Ladin were an American, would he suddenly get a pass?
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