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« on: September 26, 2003, 11:02:00 PM »
Anybody have any experience with this program or the qualifications and background of the people involved in it's operation?
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2003, 08:48:00 AM »
It seems brand new, and honestly putting kids that are having problems in planes doesnt seem like the best idea. Wonder if they are qualifed or making money off of parents that will fall for this.  Either way, my kid wouldnt be there.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2003, 01:25:00 PM »
Here is the bio for the Admissions Director:
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Gayle DeGraff is Admissions Director of Top Flight Academy. She is the mother of five children, all of whom have participated in wilderness programs with the exception of her youngest daughter. She has first-hand experience in observing powerful results from the opportunity for teens to ?find themselves? as a result of experiencing a therapeutic program. She has been involved in the at-risk teen industry since 1988. She began as Admissions Director for Challenger Foundation, moved to Summit Quest, and was also involved in admissions at Red Rock Canyon School and Red Rock Ranch Academy before joining the staff at Top Flight Academy.

http://topflightacademy.com/inside.php?link=bios
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FYI: Challenger was a Steve Cartisano program.  Summit Quest was a start-up program run by a lady named Gayle D. Palmer who used to work for Challenger.  Michelle Sutton was killed while participating in the Summit Quest program in May 1990.

READ MORE: Excerpt from LOVING THEM TO DEATH, Outside Magazine, October 1995

"As Cartisano's financial and legal difficulties mounted, the Challenger admissions director, a woman named Gayle Palmer, quit to start her own wilderness-therapy company, Summit Quest Inc. Palmer knew little about the backcountry or therapy beyond what she'd gleaned from pitching Challenger courses. "But Palmer got tired of working for Steve," says Doug Nelson, "so she hung out her shingle." Five students were enrolled in the inaugural Summit Quest course, which cost $13,900 for 63 days. Palmer sent the group to the arid Shivwits Plateau, near the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, supervised by two young counselors who were paid minimum wage. During the first several days, Michelle Sutton--a pretty 15-year-old who had enrolled voluntarily to regain self-esteem after an alleged date rape--complained repeatedly of exhaustion, sunburn, and nausea. As the group hiked through the desert, she vomited up most of the water she tried to drink and pleaded that she could not go on. According to counselors' field reports gathered by state and federal investigators, the lead counselor had been ordered to ignore such talk as manipulative behavior. "You have been sloughing off," she told Sutton. "You are now being warned." On May 9, 1990, during an ascent of 7,072-foot Mount Dellenbaugh, Sutton's speech became slurred, she cried out that she couldn't see, and then she lost consciousness and died. Palmer insisted to officials that Sutton had succumbed to a drug overdose, but the coroner found no drugs in her system and determined the cause of death to be dehydration. Although no charges were filed, Cartisano was quick to lash out at Palmer in the media, accusing her of criminal incompetence. "At Challenger," he gloated, "a tragedy like the one that killed Michelle Sutton could never happen."

FYI:  A child did die while in a Challenger program, Kristen Chase, who was killed in June 1990.

source:  http://web.outsideonline.com/magazine/1 ... _deth.html

Gayle DeGraff, Gayle D. Palmer.  Two different people who share a common past?  

 :???:
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2003, 01:27:00 PM »
I think the mention of Summit Quest sends chills down everyones spine. That alone tells us to stay away. But like Anon said, why put kids in planes now.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2003, 01:37:00 PM »
You missed the point, anon. Admissions Reps are the people doing the "admissions" ergo their qualifications and track record should be a parents first concern before they sign on the dotted line.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2003, 01:48:00 PM »
Got it!  Your are right.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2003, 04:05:00 PM »
Hmmm, very interesting. Red Rock Ranch Academy?  Red Rock Canyon School?  Aren't these the same 2 programs recently asked about in another post?  

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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2003, 04:52:00 PM »
Here's that post by Deborah showing that Red Rock Ranch Academy and Red Rock Canyon School are NOT affiliated with WWASPS.  Of these 2 programs, only Red Rock Canyon School is still operating, though apparently there has been a lawsuit filed against it.  The program where a child tragically died from injuries sustained in a fall and whose parents have filed the $6 million dollar lawsuit appears to be Red Rock Ranch Academy from what I gather.  Still, this is totally confusing!!!

Red Rock Springs - WWASP
http://www.schools4teens.com/rrs.html
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /np03.html
1998 Kevin Hansen, Adms. Director
http://www.ytyt.org/infobank/document.cfm/parent/522
Serves mainly as a short-term holding area for youths on their way to other Teen Help programs. Because of overcrowding, Utah?s Department of Human Services put the program under close observation through June. Red Rock Springs intends to expand to 200 beds if it can obtain water rights. (It?s going to call itself a boarding school, so it won?t need to be licensed.)

Red Rock Academy- WWASP
http://www.teennewhorizons.com/pgmresid.htm
http://www.denver-rmn.com/desperate/sit ... rate.shtml


Red Rock Canyon- Not
http://www.rrrtc.com/
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /np05.html
http://entertainment.msn.com/artist/?artist=112411
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een03.html
(November 21, 2000) announced their Maternity Program, designed to help young mothers through a successful pregnancy.

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... a2003.html
May 2001 Lawsuit- Broken neck

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een02.html
(June 1, 2001) Abe Dalley,announced an expansion of their program to provide a wilderness experience. Dalley stated ?We recognize the value of Wilderness in taking the lead in preparing a student for long term care.? The field Director is Clint Dalley and his assistant is Jason Barchi.

Red Rock Ranch Academy-Not
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... a2003.html
$6 Mil Wrongful Death Lawsuit
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/jul/07132003/utah/75064.asp
Update

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... heard.html
(November 20, 2002) Abe Dalley, owner of Red Rock Ranch Academy, St. George Utah, 888-921-597, announced to Woodbury Reports Inc. that the outdoor program is in the process of closing. It should not be confused with Red Rock Canyon School.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2003, 08:17:00 PM »
All four programs she's had involvement with
have killed or seriously injured.... should be a big red flag. Cut her teeth on the grandaddy program of abuse programs. No mention of professional credentials either? Does her "first hand experience" qualify her to open shop treating "troubled teens"?
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 04:17:00 AM »
This is very innovative, I'd be curious to know what parents have to say about the program and whether any of these kids went on to pursue a career in aviation?
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2004, 09:21:00 AM »
Wonder if that's where the guy who didn't want to learn how to land went  :smile:
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »
This chick has had *all five* of her kids have to go into programs?

She sounds like one hell of a lousy parent.

Why in the hell would a parent who has managed to raise two or three of their own kids without resort to these dangerous programs trust this idiot bitch with their one precious child who is having problems?

If they've raised *any* child all the way through without programs, they're *way* more competent as parents than she is.

Geez, this is like sending your kid to post-rape counseling with some guy whose only credentials are that he's the father of a convicted rapist.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2005, 12:58:00 PM »
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On 2003-09-27 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Here is the bio for the Admissions Director:

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Gayle DeGraff is Admissions Director of Top Flight Academy. She is the mother of five children, all of whom have participated in wilderness programs with the exception of her youngest daughter. She has first-hand experience in observing powerful results from the opportunity for teens to ?find themselves? as a result of experiencing a therapeutic program. She has been involved in the at-risk teen industry since 1988. She began as Admissions Director for Challenger Foundation, moved to Summit Quest, and was also involved in admissions at Red Rock Canyon School and Red Rock Ranch Academy before joining the staff at Top Flight Academy.



http://topflightacademy.com/inside.php?link=bios

-----------------------------------------------



FYI: Challenger was a Steve Cartisano program.  Summit Quest was a start-up program run by a lady named Gayle D. Palmer who used to work for Challenger.  Michelle Sutton was killed while participating in the Summit Quest program in May 1990.



READ MORE: Excerpt from LOVING THEM TO DEATH, Outside Magazine, October 1995



"As Cartisano's financial and legal difficulties mounted, the Challenger admissions director, a woman named Gayle Palmer, quit to start her own wilderness-therapy company, Summit Quest Inc. Palmer knew little about the backcountry or therapy beyond what she'd gleaned from pitching Challenger courses. "But Palmer got tired of working for Steve," says Doug Nelson, "so she hung out her shingle." Five students were enrolled in the inaugural Summit Quest course, which cost $13,900 for 63 days. Palmer sent the group to the arid Shivwits Plateau, near the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, supervised by two young counselors who were paid minimum wage. During the first several days, Michelle Sutton--a pretty 15-year-old who had enrolled voluntarily to regain self-esteem after an alleged date rape--complained repeatedly of exhaustion, sunburn, and nausea. As the group hiked through the desert, she vomited up most of the water she tried to drink and pleaded that she could not go on. According to counselors' field reports gathered by state and federal investigators, the lead counselor had been ordered to ignore such talk as manipulative behavior. "You have been sloughing off," she told Sutton. "You are now being warned." On May 9, 1990, during an ascent of 7,072-foot Mount Dellenbaugh, Sutton's speech became slurred, she cried out that she couldn't see, and then she lost consciousness and died. Palmer insisted to officials that Sutton had succumbed to a drug overdose, but the coroner found no drugs in her system and determined the cause of death to be dehydration. Although no charges were filed, Cartisano was quick to lash out at Palmer in the media, accusing her of criminal incompetence. "At Challenger," he gloated, "a tragedy like the one that killed Michelle Sutton could never happen."



FYI:  A child did die while in a Challenger program, Kristen Chase, who was killed in June 1990.



source:  http://web.outsideonline.com/magazine/1 ... _deth.html



Gayle DeGraff, Gayle D. Palmer.  Two different people who share a common past?  



 :???:  





Is this person, Gayle DeGraff, the same "Gayle DeGraff" who Sue Scheff testified about?
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2005, 02:26:00 PM »
Gayle needs her tubes tied, period. UGH.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2005, 02:58:00 PM »
As I understand it ....

Gayle DeGraff was the admissions director for one of the programs Sue Scheff/PURE referred to before she left to go work for Top Flight.

The question is was Gayle DeGraff formerly known as Gayle Palmer (Summit Quest, Challenger) or are these 2 different people?

??????
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