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Facility survival training guide
« on: July 09, 2010, 03:20:05 AM »
This thread is for those, who somehow have gotten notice about their banishment and have to go there because they have not the network to find another solution.

The goal with this thread is to give advice to the future detainees about how to maneuver the program with less possible harm. Here are a couple of subjects:

What kind of disclosure can you give the therapists so they have news to tell your parents? The problem is that programs cost money. If they find nothing new, then the parents could find that the program is a waste of money. The local therapist may already have told what the problem is, but the solution for this problem did properly include that the parent had to make some kind of sacrifice.

Let me give you an example from my culture. In Denmark it is legal to drink alcohol once you are 16 if the percentage is under the safe limit of 16.5 (The limit is based on the latest research regarding the damaging effects of alcohol and a part of a new law in Denmark coming into effect January 1, 2011). As a parent I am urged by our government to give my child a limit. I should say that I would prefer if she did not drink more than 3 or 4 beers per night. The sacrifice I have to make is that I cannot drink, because unlike kittens human children can see and the message would not have any value if I am drunk all the time. In fact I have to be sober almost all the time so my child can observe that a good life can be obtained all the time. It is a sacrifice because I will limit my possibilities to network at my work because I will be social excluded from human resource activities, but because I consider myself a good parent I like most parents are prepared to put a hold on my career while I raise children. When parents send their child to a program, they believe that they don't need to make these sacrifices, because they have paid for others to make those.

They are wrong, because at some point they will have to attend family seminars where the staff will use methods seen at the seminars in the Pyramid Scheme business. They will participate in exercises which make them believe that they benefit from them while their wallets are emptied.

When you enter a program with levels, you want your normal life back. It is normal to be shocked because the staff will take any method in use to force you to confess a kind of sin. They know that you like 90 percent of all people value your look, so the first task is to destroy it. A haircut or more precisely removal of the hair is a step. Removal of personal religious stuff like the rings, necklace with a cross etc. is next. Clothes that doesn't fit or is made from worsted yarn, so it irritates your skin has been seen. Your beds can be without mattress or pillows, the sleeping bag may have destroyed zippers (Used a Turn-about Ranch), so you will freeze at night. When you enter the facility they will properly also do a manual body cavity search (Seen at CEDU).

Here it is important that you don't panic. The staff will use this panic as an excuse to restrain you just to show off power. Some might choose not to eat. It is something which can be done at most program without risking a beating. It would properly be a good advice to take to go 2-3 days without food, because then you will make the staff believe that you are easy to read. If you play along too quickly then they believe that you are manipulative. They want a reaction and they will go any length to achieve it. So don't eat and start crying on day 3. Fake a break down.

Then you have to make a shocking disclosure. But be careful with the subject. If you confess to use drugs falsely you will be subjected to education in drug use and put together with drug users. Once you have heard a year about all the peace and escape from problems the real drug users experience your body will react based on their stories and you want to try it. It is not a joke. A lot of teenagers have entered programs with no drug use only to turn to drugs once they are out.

Then there is alcohol use. While alcohol use at teenagers in Europe is no problem at all for the societies, some programs believe it is the same. You risk ending up at the same group.

Then there is molestation. While it can be correct that some have molested you or even raped you at some point, you have properly already told your present therapist about it or even your parents about it. You need to invent a new molester, because you cannot use information you have given before you entered the program. It would be regarded as a kind of manipulation because the program believes that you have been able to fool your parents all the time. It is also known practice in many cases that women who cry rape after a one-night-stand may not have been raped that night but at an earlier time. The sex makes their mind remember the abuse and then a person is wrongly accused. Do not name a person because there is no reason to put a person through a police investigation and risk charge for false accusation. A good story was that some spiked your non-alcoholic drink with a drug and when you woke you discovered all the blood and that you were naked.

An easy option is confess that you want to change religion but you have been afraid to tell your parents. Many programs are religious and they want to help you to find God and the price you will have to pay for this disclosure is that you will be forced to spend a lot of time in church so they can save you.

Another is that you prefer your own gender. It has the catch that you might be send to another program aimed to fix this. I believe that the standard treatment is to force people to smell to ammonia while looking at same-sex pornography (Method confirmed to be used at Copper Hills Youth Center).

Prepare your strategy from home. See to that you don't wear something which is important for you, because the staff will lose it. See to that your friend keeps important items because the program will advice your parents to rebuilt your room into a copy of the dorm. While we are talking friends, please make use of them. Make them create myspace/facebook memorial groups (RIP xxx. We lost her to facility yyy). Ask them to use respectful tone and treat you like you were a victim of a traffic accident. It is important both for you to be remembered and also for them to discuss the subject because your parents can earn discounts at some programs if they fool other parents to choose the same solution.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2010, 03:32:19 AM »
Oscar, that's some bad advice right there. Don't make anything up or they'll keep you longer just to deal with the shit you just made up. You said it yourself, Oscar:

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If they find nothing new, then the parents could find that the program is a waste of money.

Here's some advice for those not wanting to use violence: Say nothing. Drool. Shit your own pants (they're really not prepared to handle THIS) and then smear your own shit all over yourself and the walls. Don't move at all- make them drag you everywhere. Cooperate with absolutely nothing. You're going to be threatened, no matter what you do, so whatever it is, make them do it. Keep it up for longer than a few weeks and they really won't want anything to do with you.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2010, 03:56:06 AM »
Does the staff not expect the teenagers to try to fight the program once the shock over having arrived at the program is over?

I do believe so. At Schuberts Minde - a Danish gulag - they staff are trained to sit with children which is not talking for 28 hours straight!!! The children is not allowed to sleep and the staff is trained not to sleep. They did show such a situation on TV a month ago.

Would the best choice for a child not be faking to fight program and then faking to break down?
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2010, 04:26:45 AM »
People who never been in treatment programs giving advice on 'how to survive' it, this shit is laughable.

 
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Shit your own pants (they're really not prepared to handle THIS) and then smear your own shit all over yourself and the walls. Don't move at all- make them drag you everywhere.

I hope this is some kind of joke. If you're serious you are seriously demented.


Real advice for the imaginary kids coming here before treatment: keep your dignity, and don't be afraid of the bullshit stories and advice you are hearing here because they aren't true. Just a mythology created by a group of insane extremists who post here.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 09:08:36 AM »
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
People who never been in treatment programs giving advice on 'how to survive' it, this shit is laughable.

 
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Shit your own pants (they're really not prepared to handle THIS) and then smear your own shit all over yourself and the walls. Don't move at all- make them drag you everywhere.

I hope this is some kind of joke. If you're serious you are seriously demented.


Real advice for the imaginary kids coming here before treatment: keep your dignity, and don't be afraid of the bullshit stories and advice you are hearing here because they aren't true. Just a mythology created by a group of insane extremists who post here.
Sorry, but you are wrong; it IS true!

I recall a guy doing something similar (minus the shit), and he ended up getting out of Straight in a matter of weeks.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2010, 09:19:18 AM »
Frod's right.  Anytime the program has to actually expend resources on the kid, they get rid of the kid.  The program business model is to take large sums of money and never spend it on actually doing anything for the kids.  If they are forced to commit actual monetary resources (i.e. staff time) to a kid, they'll send that kid home, pronto.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2010, 10:26:32 AM »
Definitely, refuse.. refuse.. refuse.. refuse...

I've seen this work. The other thing.. if they'll let you make phone calls to a complaint hotline.. they have to make food, shelter, and water available to you. If they refuse to provide these things in a timely manner.. call in a complaint.

Now.. seriously.. if they simply refuse to get you water because you are refusing to move from the middle of a trail in the woods.. that's on you.. Because when the kids in my group refused to move they tried this number on me, "SIR, you have to give us lunch."

My response was always, "You have to get and line and go to lunch. I'm not having it carried over here."

"SIR! I'm calling in a complaint."

"Before or after lunch?"

"After!"

"Good then, get up.. get moving and you can go do both at once!"

"Fuck you!"

Moral of the story, do not refuse to move in the middle of the damn woods.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 11:09:55 AM »
I think you have to call them on their game before you get wrapped up in it.


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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 01:40:31 PM »
Tantric screaming during "therapy" sessions is another good one. Every time they try to reduce your will to have an independent thought in your head, let rip with a wild howling scream and keep at it till they start bouncing off walls. You'll be joined soon enough by other kids, I've yet to see an entire group of children in a program pass that sort of excitement up.
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 02:23:44 PM »
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Here's some advice for those not wanting to use violence: Say nothing. Drool. Shit your own pants (they're really not prepared to handle THIS) and then smear your own shit all over yourself and the walls. Don't move at all- make them drag you everywhere. Cooperate with absolutely nothing. You're going to be threatened, no matter what you do, so whatever it is, make them do it. Keep it up for longer than a few weeks and they really won't want anything to do with you.

Then in a few years you can come here to fornits and say:  “They made me sleep in my own shit!!  The place is abusive, I tell you, I never did anything wrong.  They never let me use the bathroom alone and they dragged me across the floor for no reason!!  All these programs are alike, they all abuse kids.  But now that I think back on my time there all the other kids got better graduated and moved on with their life,  I wonder why?  Well who gives a crap I dont have to mention that part on fornits.”  lol


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Tantric screaming during "therapy" sessions is another good one. Every time they try to reduce your will to have an independent thought in your head, let rip with a wild howling scream and keep at it till they start bouncing off walls. You'll be joined soon enough by other kids, I've yet to see an entire group of children in a program pass that sort of excitement up.


Then in a few years after you get out you can join the fornits group and say:  “The place was abusive, I never did anything wrong and they placed me in isolation for no reason and had my meals alone.  They wouldn’t even let me attend therapy sessions… what kind of therapeutic school is that?  All these programs are alike, they all abuse kids”   lol



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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 02:52:39 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
People who never been in treatment programs giving advice on 'how to survive' it, this shit is laughable.

 
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
Shit your own pants (they're really not prepared to handle THIS) and then smear your own shit all over yourself and the walls. Don't move at all- make them drag you everywhere.

I hope this is some kind of joke. If you're serious you are seriously demented.


Real advice for the imaginary kids coming here before treatment: keep your dignity, and don't be afraid of the bullshit stories and advice you are hearing here because they aren't true. Just a mythology created by a group of insane extremists who post here.

Sorry, but you are wrong; it IS true!

I recall a guy doing something similar (minus the shit), and he ended up getting out of Straight in a matter of weeks.

Even if it is true, are you going to advise a 15 year old going to a treatment program never once mentioned on fornits or any other site describing abuse, literally shit her pants and smear it over herself? You don't think that this would open up a whole new can of worms as far as what type of issues her parents and counselors perceive her to have? She'd probably get out of a residential treatment and sent to a insane asylum.  To me this really is unbelivable anybody would ever suggest someone do this, its beyond ridiculous.

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Frod's right.  Anytime the program has to actually expend resources on the kid, they get rid of the kid.  The program business model is to take large sums of money and never spend it on actually doing anything for the kids.  If they are forced to commit actual monetary resources (i.e. staff time) to a kid, they'll send that kid home, pronto.

So the parents are going to take home a kid that smeared shit on herself? Or probably send her somewhere else even more restrictive. This is horrible advice, would actually suggest this to a kid going into a treatment center?
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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 03:14:05 PM »
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Even if it is true, are you going to advise a 15 year old going to a treatment program never once mentioned on fornits or any other site describing abuse, literally shit her pants and smear it over herself? You don't think that this would open up a whole new can of worms as far as what type of issues her parents and counselors perceive her to have? She'd probably get out of a residential treatment and sent to a insane asylum. To me this really is unbelivable anybody would ever suggest someone do this, its beyond ridiculous.
Well that advice would be useful to someone prepared to get away from their parents until they are of legal age, but I'll concede it IS pretty extreme...no doubt.. but that can go to show what a fucked situation a kid in a program can be faced with...that they would have to go to this sort of an extreme just to get out of a place... (I mean, what are you going to do if they won't let you talk to anyone from the outside world? In that situation, one isn't too spoiled for choices.)
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 03:26:13 PM »
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Even if it is true, are you going to advise a 15 year old going to a treatment program never once mentioned on fornits or any other site describing abuse, literally shit her pants and smear it over herself? You don't think that this would open up a whole new can of worms as far as what type of issues her parents and counselors perceive her to have? She'd probably get out of a residential treatment and sent to a insane asylum. To me this really is unbelivable anybody would ever suggest someone do this, its beyond ridiculous.
Well that advice would be useful to someone prepared to get away from their parents until they are of legal age, but I'll concede it IS pretty extreme...no doubt.. but that can go to show what a fucked situation a kid in a program can be faced with...that they would have to go to this sort of an extreme just to get out of a place... (I mean, what are you going to do if they won't let you talk to anyone from the outside world? In that situation, one isn't too spoiled for choices.)

At Swift River all you had to do is break a couple of rules or try to run away more than once and you were kicked out.  Some of the advice here is pretty bad and wouldnt do "any" kid any good.  I can see why some of the kids here didnt do very well in their programs.



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Re: Facility survival training guide
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 07:53:03 PM »
This is a very interesting topic, and a very difficult one, in my view, to find clear answers too.

I mean.. I guess the best way really is to just play along and make it believable- that is, if you want to get out in a timely fashion, and avoid too much strife.

I don't know.. there were people there who did that.  I couldn t do it though.  Most of them were figurred out at some point anyway.  To follow this path, you have to be able to do things to other people that you wouldn t want done to you. And you have to be abvle to lie all the time.  It just wasn t for me, and although, it is easiest, if you pull it off, I hope it's not the path for most others either.

I can only speak from my personal experience, in the particular program that I was in.

The way that I survived, insofar as maintaining my identity within the environment was by standing my ground.  I thought that most of the people there were weak, idiots, and immoral.  I did not want to be like them, so I did what I had to, not to be. I took pride in who I was, and did not let them make me feel ashamed. I did not open up, ever.. no matter what.  I did not allow myself to get caught up in any moments. I did not let them see any internal issue within me, because I knew that if I did, they could find a weakness within me, and perhaps, successfully utilize it to break me.
I learned all the rules of Daytop, and the ways of trickery, and I had a stronger intellect, then I think, any of the kids there, but I NEVER used any of that, except in self-defense.  I never got the taste of blood.  Once you get it, you are constantly driven to get more. I simply never participated in anything, except when forced.  I tried to be happy everyday.  I was myself.  I believed that it was important to be happy, and I didn t see why that should change now. I really did believe that, and I think that, that is why I could defend it.

If someone is on like their 3rd or 4th program, don t get involved with them.  They are usually program-people.  They are usually dependent on programs, and no matter how they appear, they are not expecting to get out any time soon.. These people will usually get themselves in trouble intentionally, if they start doing too good, because programs have become their home.

Never back down.. Not even from the fiercest program advocate.  You are always entitled to your own thoughts and beliefs. BUT never get emotional.  I never got emotional, ever.  I stood my ground, but I never let them get me angry, sad, or scared, and if they did, I didn t let them see it.

If the program has "contracts", don t get involved with them. they almost always come out.  In the end, I gave full trust to no one.  I considerred it a solitary battle.  I helped others when I could, but I never put myself at risk.

These were some of my strategies.  And, in a way, they worked. I survived the program, in a way, I was told by others, that no one else ever had. I was like an anomaly.  they couldn t "get" me, and I did not want them too.


BUT in the end, this really didn t work, completely, because by the looks of things, after almost 6 months of being there, I was still looking at a minimum, of at least another 18, and probably longer, because the program always took longer then it was supposed. ALWAYS!
So while I was maintaining my identity, pride, etc., I had not advanced in the program, and I was getting scared, inside, because I either never would advance, and finally be free again, someday, or eventually, they would break me, which at this point, would have fucking killed me.

So, how did I get out.  I threatened to kill myself.  In the short time, I was in there, I had seen many do this, in all sorts of ways, written, spoken, even in poems..
But they believed me, and they were right to, because I was getting very close to it. The only thing that stopped me, was the idea, that once I did it, I couldn t go back and undo it.  I was still hoping to find another way out.  I may have ran first probably.  My problem here was that, if I ever got caught, I would be violated on my probation, and from what I was told, do a little time in jail, and then have to start over at fucking Daytop.  They sure had their teeth in my balls.  I never thought society would get me like that..... seemed like a bad dream, and I was very angry with myself, for letting myself get into this.

Anyhow, they believed me.

Aaaaahhhh... But even this wasn t really a full solution, because I could have ended up somewhere else, like a loony bin or something...

so why not?

Well, I convinced the shrink there, that the program simply was no good for me, and was doing me harm, and that it was likely that I would take my own life.  It was known by many that I had dropped it in my guilt.  If I were to do it, well, why the fuck didn t they let me out.  Thye would have to answer to that.  Also, I called the psychologist at my school, shortly before, told her the place was fucking me up, and I needed to get out, and she actually took an interest in it. She was now calling them.  I don t know what they spoke about.  I only know that.  That is what they told .  They told me that "Mrs _____ had called, and accused me of begging her to let me back into the school."  I did.. Well, I didn t beg, but I asked, and made my argument as to why this would be best.  I also told her nicely, that she misled me, and she left a lot out about this place, or didn t actually know much about it, and they misrepresented it, in her visit. ( she had visited daytop prior to sending me.  i was kinda like my school's guinea pig, although they honestly did think it would be good for me, except that, it seemed to be more or less the opposite of what they said it would be. )
This was good though... more eyes on them, in regards to Paul St. John.. more concern.  The school psychologist liked me a lot, and I her, and she actually did, I believe give a fuck.  I don t agree with everything about this woman, but when push comes to shove, she was a good-hearted person, with an honest desire to do what good she could in a not so great school.  

I think at this point, they wanted me out, and they wanted me out smoothly...

But again, why didn t I end up, in some tighter place?  Why did I just get to go back to my life, so long as I agreed to have a part-time job, and go to a private counselor once a week.
That is because I convinced my probation officer, who in the end was the final authority, in all things Paul, that I was a unique person. .... that I was self-directed, that it would be an absolute crime to fuck with me or my identity, and that I was a free-thinker, and that society needed people like me. I convinced her, that I WAS NOT my drug problem.  I WAS ME.  My drug problem was just something that I had.  I was okay.  I had full trust in myself, and she could too.

I convinced her of it so well, that she was preaching it to me after awhile.. and believe it or not, this woman who was suppose to be my punishing babysitter, throughhmy experience at Daytop, actually became a beneficial thing in my life.

How the hell did I convince her of all that?  Honestly, none of it was planned.. I just spoke from the heart to someone willing to listen from the outside world.
and she believed me,  because I believed me.

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