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How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey...
try another castle:
Im just shocked that Islam can be used as a transitive verb.
Stonewall:
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Why does this shock you?
try another castle:
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Why does this shock you?
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I'd never heard the term "Islamize" before, that's all. I don't doubt that it's a valid term, (I actually bothered to look it up). I guess it seems as strange to me as using the name of any religion this way. Christianize, Islamize, but they are valid words and they do indeed exist. Kinda makes me nauseous, because it's all about forcing some bullshit religion onto people who couldn't care less.
Antigen:
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The article is not about Israel. Has really nothing to do with Israel. Although Israel is a source of Muslim anger, so are many other things. The existence of Hindu's and Christians and Jews and Infidels, non-Muslims.
About Turkey, they tried an experiment that was bound to fail. A secular society inhabited by those of the Islamic faith. A fantasy that is always short-lived.
I see very little extremism in Muslims. Even Al Qaeda. I see them following the Islamic religion 'moderately'. It is an extreme ideology.
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Well, I checked the source. Greenfield's an interesting commentator. Bright and bold, but definitely influenced heavily by his upbringing as we all surely are. In this day, it's Israel primarily. In days past the other crusades. I don't think it matters that much how radical the rhetoric of any particular religion. Any religion can be radicalized. See
Soldiers of God or Culture Wars or talk to folks around here who have spent years being broken in Mormon camps. It's when whatever religion becomes the law of the land that we have trouble.
Remember that the Islamic world was the crib of civilization. When Europeans were just playing with the idea of scratching a figure on a rock those 'sand niggers' as some around here call them had libraries, astronomy, advanced mathematics and engineering down pat.
There's a good book out there that touches on that era of history, url=http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Saved-Civilization-Hinges-History/dp/0385418493]How the Irish Saved Civilization[/url] by Thomas Cahill. Essentially, it's a history of Irish culture but also touches on how the people of that island, with inside help from their primary emissary from the Roman Empire, managed to take the literacy and tech offered by their conquerors while resist becoming very Romanized. (yes, a transitive verb LOL)
Stonewall:
--- Quote from: "Antigen" ---
--- Quote from: "Stonewall" ---
The article is not about Israel. Has really nothing to do with Israel. Although Israel is a source of Muslim anger, so are many other things. The existence of Hindu's and Christians and Jews and Infidels, non-Muslims.
About Turkey, they tried an experiment that was bound to fail. A secular society inhabited by those of the Islamic faith. A fantasy that is always short-lived.
I see very little extremism in Muslims. Even Al Qaeda. I see them following the Islamic religion 'moderately'. It is an extreme ideology.
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Well, I checked the source. Greenfield's an interesting commentator. Bright and bold, but definitely influenced heavily by his upbringing as we all surely are. In this day, it's Israel primarily. In days past the other crusades. I don't think it matters that much how radical the rhetoric of any particular religion. Any religion can be radicalized. See
Soldiers of God or Culture Wars or talk to folks around here who have spent years being broken in Mormon camps. It's when whatever religion becomes the law of the land that we have trouble.
Remember that the Islamic world was the crib of civilization. When Europeans were just playing with the idea of scratching a figure on a rock those 'sand niggers' as some around here call them had libraries, astronomy, advanced mathematics and engineering down pat.
There's a good book out there that touches on that era of history, url=http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Saved-Civilization-Hinges-History/dp/0385418493]How the Irish Saved Civilization[/url] by Thomas Cahill. Essentially, it's a history of Irish culture but also touches on how the people of that island, with inside help from their primary emissary from the Roman Empire, managed to take the literacy and tech offered by their conquerors while resist becoming very Romanized. (yes, a transitive verb LOL)
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The Islamic World began in the 7th Century... 1400 or so years ago. While the Middle East may have at one time been the cradle of civilization.... that was long before Muhammad. And, the religion he created has certainly stifled whatever progress might have been achieved there. Or, maybe it was not the Islamic religion, maybe just a coincidence.
The State of Israel is not a modern day Crusade.
If it were, there would be very few Arab Muslim Nations on the earth. As it is there are Arab States from the Persian Gulf to the Atlantic Ocean. With the exception of the State of Israel, it is one long chain of Arab States. Not bad considering 1400 years ago, there was one Arab State... Arabia. So, it is kind of hard to wish for another Arab State, which will surely be another failed State. I doubt it would be the lone exception of the Arab World. The one winner. Palestine. I don't think so.
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