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How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey...
IslamIsViolent:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---Sockpuppet, it's hilarious that you brush off the invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation, and the ensuing chaos that has cost the lives of millions of Iraqis, not to mention a few thousand Americans, and sum it up with it was "wrong'. Clearly US imperialism is a much more lethal force than any Islamic terror. The curious thing about this terror, is that it always leads back to Western intelligence. A fellow whom I knew for many years was blown to pieces outside a nightclub in Bali by one of these "muslim" terror groups. But like all such cases, this terror group had curious links to US intelligence.
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Oh yeah, i'm sure. Now you're sounding like Iran. "The CIA did it!" Bet they did 9/11 too. No wait. That was the Jews! Seriously. That's what many in the middle east believe. The simplest and most logical explanation isn't good enough. It has to be a conspiracy! There have been over 15,000 Islamically motivated terror attacks since 9/11. Are you really saying the CIA is responsible? What would be the motive? to make Islam look bad? All one has to do is read the Qur'an or some ahadith out loud to make Islam look bad. Islam commands it's followers to kill, terrorize, enslave, convert, or subdue Unbelievers. When they do so it's not because the CIA made them do it. It's because Allah commanded it, Muhammad did it, and he's the example all "good" Muslims follow (most are admittedly peaceful hypocrites).
--- Quote ---The tendency is for a small group of terrorists to commit an act, or series of acts, and then lo and behold it is incumbent upon an Imperial entity to respond with military force to the terror act. Works the same all over the world. The Russians do it, the Chinese, the Americans, the British, the Frenche, etc.
I couldn't tell you whether or not Ken O'Keefe is a liar. I do know that his account is more in keeping with the known facts, specifically that Israeli commandos used fire-arms to kill people on the Marmara; some of the IDF soldiers were seized by the passengers; none of the IDF soldiers was executed by heavy iron bar, edged weapon nor mop.
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Maybe not, but many were seriously injured and I have no doubt that they would all have been killed had they not responded with lethal force. These weren't exactly pacifist hippies on the boat. If they were peaceful protesters they wound't have provoked the soldiers to begin with. If you beat a cop with a pipe and he resorts to using his firearm as a last resort it's your fault and nobody else.
Froderik:
If any of you haven't read "Sleeping With The Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude" yet...highly recommended... you really should! It makes some interesting assertions concerning the scenario of cause / effect concerning 9/11, among its other historical observations. A great read, written by former Central Intelligence Agency officer Robert Baer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_with_the_Devil
ajax13:
Sockpuppet, terrorism has been a tactic used to provoke a specific response. So who is doing the provoking and what is the desired response? In the era of what is described as "Islamic" terror, it is not hard to tally up the score and see who has suffered the most and who has benefited the most from the terrorist acts.
IDF personnel shot people to death on the Marmara. Subsequent to that shooting, IDF personnel were taken prisoner by the passengers on the Marmara, but no IDF personnel were killed by the passengers.
Whooter:
I would just like to point out that typically when people are losing an argument or feel insecure about their position or take their views too personally they resort to insulting or belittling the persons character, in this case calling Islamisviolent a sock puppet, i.e. (ad hominems).
Ajax13, why don’t you express your opinion without trying to attack Islamisviolents’ character? Why are you threatened by this poster disagreeing with you to the point that you have to resort to name calling? Let him express his opinion. It is just as valid as your own.
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ajax13:
Well, Whooter, here's my opinion. My opinion is that Islamisviolent is a sockpuppet for John D. Reuben. I believe very firmly that you, Whooter, are John D. Reuben. If you feel that using a sockpuppet is demonstrative of a character flaw, then it certainly begs the question as to why you use this particular tactic. In my opinion Reuben, you're a propagandist, and the use of Sockpuppets is intended to further your effort to influence readers on Fornits.
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