LGATs/Encounter groups/Confrontational "therapy"

[Paul St. John]

LOL

I remember Danny put a link in a post to me.

Of course, it did not work.. but hey..
LOL!

Paul

[DannyB II]

URSUS YOU FORGOT THIS PART;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Group_Awareness_Training
This article may contain improper references to self-published sources. Please help improve it by removing references to unreliable sources where they are used inappropriately. (March 2008)

 
No Ursus you forgot to explicitly point this out. OK!!!!!!!

[Ursus]

URSUS YOU FORGOT THIS PART;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Group_Awareness_Training
This article may contain improper references to self-published sources. Please help improve it by removing references to unreliable sources where they are used inappropriately. (March 2008)

 
No Ursus you forgot to explicitly point this out. OK!!!!!!!

No, Danny, it's already understood by just about anyone who uses the internet. Now you know.

[Whooter]

So it seems worst case is that LGAT is controversial.  It hasnt been found to be abusive by the APA.  In fact I believe they defended it at one point.  Studies have shown positive change as a result of LGAT's and no significant changes in behavior.  So it is fairly benign in nature.



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[DannyB II]

URSUS YOU FORGOT THIS PART;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Group_Awareness_Training
This article may contain improper references to self-published sources. Please help improve it by removing references to unreliable sources where they are used inappropriately. (March 2008)

No Ursus you forgot to explicitly point this out. OK!!!!!!!

No, Danny, it's already understood by just about anyone who uses the internet. Now you know.

No you are not getting my point, your right everyone does understand that wikipedia has this clause, dumbunny.
But what everyone doesn't get here is you do not like to own that your myriad of posts you flood this site with are all just as suspect of flaws.
Now do you get it.......my copy and paste man.
Liza seems to like you and doesn't like me using language as such....lol. So now your a dumbunny.

[DannyB II]

So it seems worst case is that LGAT is controversial.  It hasnt been found to be abusive by the APA.  In fact I believe they defended it at one point.  Studies have shown positive change as a result of LGAT's and no significant changes in behavior.  So it is fairly benign in nature.
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Well I really think is it depends on who is performing the LGAT, whether they are educated, have common sense and a natural ability to have empathy for others.

danny

[Paul St. John]

Danny, I know that this something you believe in very strongly.  Elan is a bad place, and you took it on.. got the t-shirt and everything, but now the time has come that Danny is called on to do more good works, and so comes the defense of these new and improved programs.

In light of your strongly held beliefs and earnest conviction, can you please list the 3 top programs that you most highly recomend along with descriptions of them, and why each of them appeals you to personally, and perhaps, how they can help teens, and why you stand so strongly behid them?

Paul

[Ursus]

So it seems worst case is that LGAT is controversial.  It hasnt been found to be abusive by the APA.  In fact I believe they defended it at one point.  Studies have shown positive change as a result of LGAT's and no significant changes in behavior.  So it is fairly benign in nature.

From the conclusion of the paper posted earlier in this thread, "Pathology as 'Personal Growth': A Participant-Observation Study of Lifespring Training," color emphasis added:

Conclusion

We have argued that while many participants experienced a sense of enhanced well-being as a consequence of the training, these experiences were essentially pathological. First, ego functions were systematically undermined and regression was promoted by environmental structuring, infantilizing of participants and repeated emphasis on submission and surrender. Second, the ideational or interpretive framework provided in the training was also based upon regressive modes of reasoning--the use of all-or-nothing categories, absolutist logic and magical thinking, all of which are consistent with the egocentric thinking of young children. Third, the content of the training stimulated early narcissistic conflicts and defenses, which accounts for the elation and sense of heightened well-being achieved by many participants. The devaluation of objective constraints upon a person's action promoted grandiose fantasies of unlimited power. A corollary to this devaluation of the external world wits that interactions with others lacked substance. People appeared to be interchangeable so that ephemeral, indiscriminate emotional contacts were experienced as profound and meaningful. Identification with Lifespring necessitated considerable idealization so that any threat to this experience was aggressively defended against.[/list]

[Paul St. John]

I knew a guy who was real big into "EST".

It seemed to be real empowering to him, but at the same time, kinda just like a temporary head trip.

Just sayin...

Paul

PS It's not for kids, and it s not for therapy.  It's more for people who wanna keep trippin without the acid, from my my admittedly limited perspective on the topic.

It seems to require constant replenishing. It is a belief system to an extent or at least backed by one. Makes you feel better then you should, given your current circumstances at any time.

[DannyB II]

Danny, I know that this something you believe in very strongly.  Elan is a bad place, and you took it on.. got the t-shirt and everything, but now the time has come that Danny is called on to do more good works, and so comes the defense of these new and improved programs.

In light of your strongly held beliefs and earnest conviction, can you please list the 3 top programs that you most highly recomend along with descriptions of them, and why each of them appeals you to personally, and perhaps, how they can help teens, and why you stand so strongly behid them?

Paul

Why don't you start a another thread, your post here has nothing to do with the subject on this thread.

[Paul St. John]

Ummmm..... yes it does..definitly does... But anyway.. I not starting a new thread.. not that important to me.. If you want to go head.

Paul

[DannyB II]

Ummmm..... yes it does..definitly does... But anyway.. I not starting a new thread.. not that important to me.. If you want to go head.
Paul

Yes you are right, LGAT's have a place within your questions. I will not do it here, you want to ask "smart ass" questions with no merit then you will work for it, son.

danny

[Whooter]

So sort of like a pathological/ recreational therapy, it doesn’t last very long, makes people feel good but you need to keep going back to the well to keep the buzz going.



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[Paul St. John]

Alright, well, at least we are on the same on page, in that, I am in fact, being a smartass.  Anyhow, you have your thread. I made it for ya.


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[Paul St. John]

So sort of like a pathological/ recreational therapy, it doesn’t last very long, makes people feel good but you need to keep going back to the well to keep the buzz going.



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That's the impression that I get.  It conflicts with reality, so you have to keep getting revamped, whether it is through the workshops, your own self- hypnosis, or others participants.

Paul