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Glenhaven Academy or Walden Street School
Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "sad" ---She had made lots of gains in the wilderness program
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And you know this how? No, really, how exactly do you know this?
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You aren't listening to a word we're fucking saying, are you?
All right, it's time to step back and let my old pal Chuck Darwin handle this one.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---yanno fornits really went to shit after embedding sound and making images that are embedded be DISPLAYED BY DEFAULT was disabled and click-only.
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It did for you, Niles, because you had a difficult time expressing yourself in words. For the rest of us it got better. We dont find a need to post screaming gorillas for attention because we cannot communicate properly via words.
But welcome back Niles. Try giving it another go without pictures!
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Paul St. John:
--- Quote from: "SUCK IT" ---The truth is any kid can benefit from being placed in treatment.
Wow. You are a true believer, huh? So any kid, even one that doesn t need to be treated for anything can benefit from a treatment center? This so silly. Maybe parents shouldn t raise their kids at all anymore.. That s what we have treatment centers for..lol
Tough love is nothing more than helping a kid to grow up into an adult.
Tough Love is stupid. It is a stupid concept that has been used to justify all sorts of abuse. The emphasis is on punishment.. not self-growth.
and it is on conformity....
"A person cannot experience self-growth with a gun to their heads"
- nathaniel Branden.
You can be one of those helicopter parents that hold the hand of their kid through college until they get a job and do wraparound stalking like fornits posters suggest,
Or to put it more accurately, Fornits posters, suggest that you know where you are sending your kid. Each program comes with an attached set of values. Are you really comfortable alowing someone else to dictate your child's values, without even knowing about them?
or you can send them on an adventure of their life with a wilderness program and let them grow into an independent young person ready for life.
Wilderness Program.. It is sill shit. People do not require wilderness programs.
All the programs that people complain about here are out of business, the posters here were in treatment 25 years ago on average, there was a poll done indicating this. Treatment evolves like any industry and it's really helpful to any kid, not necessarily just troubled teens. Don't let the scare tactics here scare you, treatment programs save lives and 99.99% of kids do well. The other 00.01% end up posting here, its' a safe gamble.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "sad" ---She had made lots of gains in the wilderness program
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And you know this how? No, really, how exactly do you know this?
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It's worth noting that many such "gains" are not really based on any deep changes, and may not last. She's in a different environment, programs will characterize any compliant kids as "doing well," and she's probably also happy to hear from you, if that was the occasion which prompted the observation.
Which wilderness program is she in? Some are far worse than others, generally the ones that include "therapy" or promise some sort of attitude adjustment in participants as part of the package.
Pile of Dead Kids:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Which wilderness program is she in?
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Well, it doesn't look like she's going to say. But the only one she's asked any questions about is Open Sky Wilderness in Colorado.
In which case I made a minor error: Her daughter stands a chance of being a dessicated corpse mummifying in the Coloradan sunshine instead of the Utahn.
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