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IBM's new foretelling software to be used by Florida DOC
Whooter:
I take from the responses that many here have never read the original article. I believe Ursus posted it a few posts back. The kids that are going to get the “Profiled” help have already committed a crime. The state of Florida isn’t taking kids off the street and putting them in programs because of where they live. This profiling is designed to try to help target what may help the kids. Why put a child through a mandatory drug rehab program if he isn’t really addicted to drugs? Why not address some of his family issues which may have lead him to Juvy? Why should we be satisfied with the same abusive system that Florida has, Why not improve it and tailor Rehabilitation for each child? It seems to be a knee jerk reaction for many here to close your ears anytime there is talk about helping kids and try to twist it into brainwashing abusing kids somehow. As a society we cant just sit back and tolerate kids breaking the law and then letting them run free again without addressing the root cause or providing them help. Instead of tossing these kids in juvy hall why not target what is driving them to commit crimes and getting them some help?
Change isn’t a bad thing.., I am sure there will be many organizations who will be watching this closely to see how successful this is and which path it takes.
I did see Minority Report and it was a great film, but I think you confused the first posted article where the writer insinuated that these kids were going to be arrested prior to committing a crime and this isnt the case. The state of Georgia went thru similar struggles with profiling when the majority of the police force were patrolling high crime areas but the majority of the people (tax payers)paying their salaries were getting less protection because they lived in lower crime areas. The police force argued that statistically there was a higher risk of crime in those areas... so they were profiling. Many didnt think it was legal.
If a kid was arrested for robbing a store and had some drugs on him why automatically toss him in juvy and send him to NA meetings. Most kids who use drugs at a young age are not addicted. Why not help this kid figure out why he is stuck in the downturn?
Sorry, I jumped around alot.
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psy:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I take from the responses that many here have never read the original article. I believe Ursus posted it a few posts back. The kids that are going to get the “Profiled” help have already committed a crime.
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Oh I understand that. But it's still judging whether they will commit another crime in the future. With this system the punishment doesn't fit the crime, it fits some steriotype of a person cooked up by a computer based on god knows who's criteria.
--- Quote ---As a society we cant just sit back and tolerate kids breaking the law and then letting them run free again without addressing the root cause or providing them help.
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Of course we can't let criminals who have harmed others go. They should be judged on each crime individually, not for what they will probably do in the future.
--- Quote ---If a kid was arrested for robbing a store and had some drugs on him why automatically toss him in juvy and send him to NA meetings.
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Because it's religious indoctrination which violates the establishment clause and there is no evidence at all that NA works. I'l all for jail if a crime (that hurts others) has been committed but treatment should always be voluntary, and there should be an alternative to NA in prisons.
Eliscu2:
This reminds me of the Violence Initiative. http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZdUmxG1Es
They had a "Weed and Seed" program for intercity kids.
They weeded them all into Juvi and oops forgot to seed...........
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---Oh I understand that. But it's still judging whether they will commit another crime in the future. With this system the punishment doesn't fit the crime, it fits some steriotype of a person cooked up by a computer based on god knows who's criteria.
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If a kid lives on a boat it may be a good idea to get him swimming lessons. Maybe even force him to if he refuses. Doesn’t need to be voluntary. The kid living in the dessert may want to learn a little more about snakes. There is nothing wrong with this. Looking at a childs environment and determining what may help him survive and live a good life isn’t wrong, psy. The same as determining the type of help a child offender needs by his/her environment isn’t bad either.
--- Quote --- Because it's religious indoctrination which violates the establishment clause and there is no evidence at all that NA works. I'l all for jail if a crime (that hurts others) has been committed but treatment should always be voluntary, and there should be an alternative to NA prisons.
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Whether NA works or not, my point is why put a child thru it if he isn’t even addicted to drugs or even exposed to it at home. Maybe the child is being abused by his father and doesn’t have a drug problem and so needs help in another area. Treatment will never be voluntary until the child comes of age and can decide for themselves. The authorities (parents, legal guardian etc.) need to define this for the kids.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Eliscu2" ---This reminds me of the Violence Initiative. http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQZdUmxG1Es
They had a "Weed and Seed" program for intercity kids.
They weeded them all into Juvi and oops forgot to seed...........
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Great talk by Peter Breggin! I watched the whole thing through. The "Weed and Seed" program is first mentioned in the third clip, I believe, though the other clips provided needed context:
* Peter Breggin, MD - The Violence Initiative - Part 1
* Peter Breggin, MD - The Violence Initiative - Part 2
* Peter Breggin, MD - The Violence Initiative - Part 3
* Peter Breggin, MD - The Violence Initiative - Part 4
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