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IBM's new foretelling software to be used by Florida DOC
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Whoa there horsie and Lol x 10! You're being a mite bit defensive there, eh? All I did was make an observation, made umpteen times before by countless others, and provide an historical photo. No argument made. I didn't even extrapolate. No need... You were the one to do that for me! :D
Why... if I didn't know better, and to be sure, I don't, I'd venture that you have substantial ideological and financial interests vested in denying IBM's involvement in the machinery of World War II. Perhaps, given IBM's focus in recent history, even some involvement in the software industry?
I didn't even mention IBM's work in customizing the punch cards to the Nazis' specifications.
Nor did I mention their work for the other side. Mmm. Much fodder for speculation here.
But I can see that this conversation is disturbing you to no end! You've even resorted to personal insults, which you usually reserve for others who are a tad... more... blunt.
Tut tut. Methinks ya played your cards too soon on this one... :D
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Oh, No!!! Now I have a financial interest in IBM and their involvement in World War II and their underhanded presence in the software industry. How can I be so evil..lol. We should all check our 401k’s and dissolve our IBM interests. Now I am really a programmie on 2 different levels… (pun intended).
All kidding aside, Ursus, I appreciate your clarifying and stepping back a bit. No personal attacks were intended, but you do tend to reach way back in history sometimes to try to justify your feelings (and position) on events occurring today without parallel. Maybe because there is a lack of substantive evidence residing in the present for you to reference, but I don’t know. I really did think you were trying to somehow discredit the IBM software with the 1937 Nazi photos and so I felt it was a bit Bazaar, even for you. So I had a need to respond the way I did, although it was a knee jerk reaction I confess.
If I give myself away, as you call it, then that is a good thing. I think that many if not most people disagree with me here on fornits but they also can see that I am consistent and open with my opinions and try to explain the reason for my feelings on each subject.
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Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "quest" ---Come on Whooter, that was relevant and funny and you know it. So you can’t see the problem with a state buying into an IBM version of an E-meter?
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Guest, it seems you have not read the article either. There is no E-meter. It is an analytical tool used to predict risk factors associated with kids who are in juvy detention and how they can best be helped based on their past and present environment. No one is going to be persecuted for crimes they haven’t committed yet.
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Incidentally, although I really can't speak for quest, I do believe s/he was making reference to the "Pre-Crime" unit from the film Minority Report, referred to in the blog linked to in the OP (and copied out in the second post), and which stars Tom Cruise, celebrity apologist for E-meters everywhere:
--- Quote from: "Jesus Diaz at Gizmodo" ---"I don't know about how reliable your system is, IBM, but have you ever heard of the 5th, the 6th, and the 14th Amendments to the United States Constitution? What about article 11 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? No? Let's make this easy then: Didn't you watch that scientology nutcase in Minority Report?"
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---All kidding aside, Ursus, I appreciate your clarifying and stepping back a bit. No personal attacks were intended, but you do tend to reach way back in history sometimes to try to justify your feelings (and position) on events occurring today without parallel.
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Puhleeeezz. No "reach" needed, these events are integrally connected, as you, of all folk, know all too well! :D
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Incidentally, although I really can't speak for quest, I do believe s/he was making reference to the "Pre-Crime" unit from the film Minority Report, referred to in the blog linked to in the OP (and copied out in the second post), and which stars Tom Cruise, celebrity apologist for E-meters everywhere:
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I agree, I cannot speak for him/her either. I think if Tom Cruise had a family member who worked for IBM then people would be trying to make a connection to some E-Meter that they were working on and saying that was the basis for the movie.
Its human nature to wonder but it is nutty to think that Hollywood really gives a crap about the actors affiliations or religions. They just want to make a huge impact and make a ton of money. They sit back and laugh when people try to make up conspiracy theories out of it. I remember when people said if you play the Beatles song “I am the Walrus” backwards it says “Paul is dead”. This was fun and all but there were always people willing to take it to a new level and start to believe it and planning funerals and such.
I am surprised that you buy into it, Ursus.
If you bothered to read the “original” article you would find out that it was just data collection which would provide information to help kids who were already arrested. Not to arrest kids before they committed a crime.
Think of it as putting more officers in high crime neighborhoods based on statistical data. This doesn’t violate anyone’s rights and is proactive. It’s a good use of data
I think the problem is that people read someone else’s spin on an article and believe it 100%, get scared because they don’t understand and then react in ignorance and think that there is a conspiracy or that the last movie they saw reminds them of the present situation. Just slow down and read the original media release and then decide for yourself. Don’t be led by others.
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Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---I am surprised that you buy into it, Ursus.
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Geeezz. You're really on a roll today, eh? Buy into what, Whooter?
This issue of tracking and profiling software must really stick in your craw somehow. Of course, it's not like you or yours need worry about such a thing, eh? After all, that's where the private-pay sector comes in, the parent-choice industry you're so fond of promoting.
Oh, and I did read the original press release shortly after the OP was posted. While I agree that the software is not overtly intended to "arrest kids before they commit a crime," I do have concerns that that possibility may very well happen ... considering human nature and the feasibility of being judged guilty by association alone.
...Florida Department of Juvenile Justice will analyze key predictors such as past offense history, home life environment, gang affiliation and peer associations to better understand and predict which youths have a higher likelihood to reoffend.[/list]
I can practically guarantee ya that growing up on the wrong side of the tracks is one of the predictors in that database; more tactfully phrased, of course.
Incidentally, since when has profiling target populations ever even made a significant dent in crime anyway?
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