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Offline Whooter

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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2010, 03:20:47 PM »
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My point was that in the juvenile court system, there is due process. Not so with programs.

There is really no need for due process.  The kids that I knew who went to a program didn’t commit any crime which would require the intervention of the government.  The kids in programs are mostly at-risk kids who are there getting help at the request of their parents.  Half the kids in the private school I attended wish they could just attend public school so they wouldn’t have to wear uniforms and follow all the rules.  But we need to do what our parents say until we are old enough.

Sorry about your Dad.  I know people who dig their heals in because they are just true believers.  Could have been a book they read or a priest that turned their head or a programs belief.  Other parents take away from a conversation what works for their families and then they leave the rest.




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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2010, 03:47:43 PM »
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My point was that in the juvenile court system, there is due process. Not so with programs.

There is really no need for due process.  The kids that I knew who went to a program didn’t commit any crime which would require the intervention of the government.  The kids in programs are mostly at-risk kids who are there getting help at the request of their parents.  Half the kids in the private school I attended wish they could just attend public school so they wouldn’t have to wear uniforms and follow all the rules.  But we need to do what our parents say until we are old enough.

Wrong.  If our parents attempted to have us committed (which is what they're doing by sending them off to programs), they would be required to have us diagnosed by a psychiatrist.  By being able to send kids off to a place that purports to engage in "treatment" at simply the request of a parent, it completely circumvents basic human rights, which children already have.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2010, 04:31:04 PM »
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We know, we know.  All the kids in programs were just seconds away from getting a full scholarship to an ivy league school and never missed a day when they were suddenly plucked up and set down into a program and have no understanding of why they are there.

Prison:
“How many of you are innocent?  Give me a show of hands.”

Mental Hospital:
How many of you should be allowed back in society?  Give me a show of hands”

Program:
“How many of you don’t deserve to be here?  Give me a show of hands.”

Guilty Program Parents:
"How many of you feel no accountability for your child's death?  Show 'em that hand, Johnny Boy!"



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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2010, 04:47:48 PM »
I commend Whooter for his positive energy because  he wants to bring families together.  There is nothing wrong with his intentions to help parents of juvenile delinquents like yourselves.  The fact is many of you still need therapy because you live in the past.  I think your narrow mindset on therapy leads you to believe they are cult members.  Please consider therapy as soon as possible.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2010, 04:50:19 PM »
Anne Bonney and Whooter have a sick and twisted codependent relationship, like most of the core group of fornits losers do.  

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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2010, 05:01:21 PM »
Quote from: "kirstin"
I commend Whooter for his positive energy because  he wants to bring families together.  There is nothing wrong with his intentions to help parents of juvenile delinquents like yourselves.  The fact is many of you still need therapy because you live in the past.  I think your narrow mindset on therapy leads you to believe they are cult members.  Please consider therapy as soon as possible.


Please blow it out your ass.  I don't need, nor did I ask for help or your opinion.  I like my life just fine, the way it is now.  It took a lot of hard work to shake off the cult mindset, but it can be done.

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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2010, 05:10:09 PM »
Anne's attitude represents the mindset of many troubled teens who refuse to get appropriate treatment.  I think Anne has many issues she needs to work through in her life but she refuses to acknowledge that.  She believes therapy consists of wallowing in self pity with other mentally confused people on this website.  This approach will be detrimental to her success in life, I don't know if Anne understands this.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2010, 06:20:27 PM »
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Wrong. If our parents attempted to have us committed (which is what they're doing by sending them off to programs), they would be required to have us diagnosed by a psychiatrist. By being able to send kids off to a place that purports to engage in "treatment" at simply the request of a parent, it completely circumvents basic human rights, which children already have.

No it doesn’t.  There are no human rights which require a person to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist prior to being committed.  These are rights that have been given to adults (voted in) to protect them from being committed by family members to gain control of their lives or estate.  Parents already have control of their children’s finances and life.  The children are not being striped of any rights by being sent to a program.

Programs have a beginning and an end point.  Being committed does not.



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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2010, 06:52:23 PM »
Whooter I think you are correct but Anne will let her program experience cloud her judgement.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2010, 07:07:56 PM »
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Anne Bonney and Whooter have a sick and twisted codependent relationship, like most of the core group of fornits losers do.  

 :waaaa:
Wow and your here because you are so damn superior...lmao priceless and yet ignorant to even post something of this nature during a Heal Thread.  I have never fully agrreed with either at times and found a couple posts I did not prefer, but I will tell you what they give a lot to many on here. With a name like Suck It.........I tend to question your abilities.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2010, 08:12:44 PM »
Quote from: "kirstin"
Anne's attitude represents the mindset of many troubled teens who refuse to get appropriate treatment.  I think Anne has many issues she needs to work through in her life but she refuses to acknowledge that.  She believes therapy consists of wallowing in self pity with other mentally confused people on this website.  This approach will be detrimental to her success in life, I don't know if Anne understands this.

And who are you exactly to make such snap judgments about a person you have never met?

Quote from: "kirstin"
I commend Whooter for his positive energy because  he wants to bring families together.  There is nothing wrong with his intentions to help parents of juvenile delinquents like yourselves.  The fact is many of you still need therapy because you live in the past.  I think your narrow mindset on therapy leads you to believe they are cult members.  Please consider therapy as soon as possible.

I've seen therapy.  Real therapy.  It's what showed me so clearly how what went on in program was anything but.  And who are you to call us all juvenile delinquents.  You have no idea of our ages, occupations, or current levels of success.  It seems to me that anybody who disagrees with your interpretation of what many programs do is automatically labeled in your mind as sick or in denial.  It's prejudice, pure and simple.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2010, 08:56:53 PM »
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I've seen therapy. Real therapy. It's what showed me so clearly how what went on in program was anything but. And who are you to call us all juvenile delinquents. You have no idea of our ages, occupations, or current levels of success. It seems to me that anybody who disagrees with your interpretation of what many programs do is automatically labeled in your mind as sick or in denial. It's prejudice, pure and simple.

Therapy starts when you admit you have a problem.  It is like AA when people admit they have problems controlling their drinking.  You don't like the term juvenile delinquent because you put yourself in that category before you were sent to Benchmark.  The big problem with children, which most people on this website are, they refuse to accept why they put themselves in the position to be sent to a program.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2010, 09:20:35 PM »
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I've seen therapy. Real therapy. It's what showed me so clearly how what went on in program was anything but. And who are you to call us all juvenile delinquents. You have no idea of our ages, occupations, or current levels of success. It seems to me that anybody who disagrees with your interpretation of what many programs do is automatically labeled in your mind as sick or in denial. It's prejudice, pure and simple.

Therapy starts when you admit you have a problem.  It is like AA when people admit they have problems controlling their drinking.

That implies that if somebody goes to therapy they must have a problem.  What about those who are forced or tricked into it.  There is no diagnosis beforehand or due process so how is there a guarantee there is something wrong?  All that exists are the fears of the parent which may or may not be rational and based in solid fact.  You assume guilt, you assume sickness, before any diagnosis is made.

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You don't like the term juvenile delinquent because you put yourself in that category before you were sent to Benchmark.

I was not a delinquent.  I did not have a problem.  I did not need fixing and even if I did it should have been my choice and what they did would not have helped with any problem if I had one.  I was immature, I was naive, I was too trusting.  I trusted authority (though I had issues with my parents, i admit).  I thought if I minded my manners and did the thing the program wanted they would let me graduate.  They lied to me.  They lied to my parents.  They messed with my head and with those around me.  The problem was not mine, it was theirs.

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The big problem with children, which most people on this website are, they refuse to accept why they put themselves in the position to be sent to a program.

And you've already come to the conclusion that despite lack of diagnosis or due process, we all needed it.  In your mind the accused is guilty and any denial is further evidence of guilt.  It's a catch 22... a witch dunking.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2010, 09:45:29 PM »
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I was not a delinquent. I did not have a problem. I did not need fixing and even if I did it should have been my choice and what they did would not have helped with any problem if I had one. I was immature, I was naive, I was too trusting. I trusted authority (though I had issues with my parents, i admit). I thought if I minded my manners and did the thing the program wanted they would let me graduate. They lied to me. They lied to my parents. They messed with my head and with those around me. The problem was not mine, it was theirs.

So if you did not have a problem, why were you sent to a program?  The only thing you admitted was you had issues with your parents.  I think there is more to it than that but it is clear you're still in denial.
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Re: HEAL Coordinator
« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2010, 10:29:47 PM »
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there are innocent people listed on her site, in association with programs she deems as "abusive".  This is a public, searchable site and their information being listed can be very damaging to them professionally (many employess are in a support capacity, i.e. ap/ar, HR, accounting, administrative assistants, etc and have little to no contact with the students, and do not want their names affiliated with "child abuse" when applying for positions in unrelated industries).  I understand many programs are abusive, and questionable in their practices...but painting every employee of just about every private school in the country with the same brush..is in and of itself abusive and damages HEAL's credibility...as well as the focus on "animal's" and the "earth" in addition to teens...she is trivializing her own plight.

You cannot accuse people of something such as ABUSING children, without proof and not have outsiders question the intent, purpose, and professional caliber of the accuser.  It damages the anti-behave mod industry as a whole when extremists like Angela Smith are driving the bus, in the public eye.  (Do one google search and she is right there at the top, jihad and all.)
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I do not work in the industry, nor am i former student. I live within seconds of Sagewalk, and miles from MTBA. I wanted to know, as a person with an unclear understanding of the industry as a whole who lives within a community of former staffers, how she came upon her conclusions that ALL of the staff at afore mentioned programs were infact guilty of abuse. Instead of an explanation, I was threatened with a law suit, personally insulted, threatened with arrest, threatened with the FBI, PETA (i used to raise registered english lops) among other things. She also immediately targeted two former employees of MTBA in association with me, how or why she came to this conclusion is BEYOND me...she even accused me of pretending to be a lawyer representing these people..which is laughable.

Immediately I began to question her creidibility, not the programs i initially contacted her about.
I'm really not in any position to comment on what transpired in your communications with Angela Smith, so I'm not even gonna go there. Period ... on that issue.

However, personally, I do think Angela has a point in listing all known staff associated with given abusive programs on her website. Even if those people have little to no contact with the students, they are legitimizing if not actually contributing to the "therapeutic milieu," which in and of itself is plenty abusive enough, regardless of whether any egregiously damaging events occur that they become aware of.

You could say they are accessories to the crime, wittingly or not. And they are hardly "innocent" if they witness inappropriate goings on and do not report said events to the police, DHS, or the like.

In fact, from what I understand, it was precisely such a person, a part-time van driver at Mount Bachelor Academy, who had the intact presence of mind and moral fortitude to do the right thing and alert authorities as to what was actually going on there. And we all know now how that turned out for MBA.

Perhaps these people may have taken on such a job unwittingly, and then realized what kind of a hornet's nest they entered, and then left in short order. Those folk's names do not grace the staff rosters of program after program, unlike many in the industry. That much becomes pretty clear after you've perused Angela's staff lists for a time.


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 Ursus,
Have you lost your mind or what, such broad statements coming from someone again who has never put anything on the line in this industry. In my opinion bro, you are a phony MF for even uttering that bullshit above there. If no one else will say it I will.

Danny
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