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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #105 on: April 02, 2010, 11:03:04 AM »
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Ursus, I dont believe I used the word "Certified" I was quoting and article that you posted several times:

"...he was accompanied on the hike by two Emergency Medical Technician (EMT) trained staff, one of whom never left his side."
I didn't post that article several times. I posted it once. It just came out.

However, what has been posted several times and to which you responded the last time as well ... is language supplied by Aspen Ed in the form of official statements.

Each of Aspen Ed's statements regarding this matter has referred to "EMT-trained" personnel, and each time you have seen fit to highlight this particular facet of their statement in some fashion or another.

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The article doesn't say just any training. It states EMT Training. Che asked where is says they were both EMT "Certified". I agree I should have caught that he added the word "Certified" to it when I supplied the link. But they were not my words.
But perhaps you were hoping the implication that they were certified, and that Aspen Ed routinely sends out certified EMTs or WFRs on their wilderness trips ... would have been impressed upon the naive reader and potential paying customer, eh?

I suppose this time around you wish to skew blame towards the individual staff involved, as if it was their fault, and their fault alone, and away from the fact that the same "therapeutic milieu" responsible for molding kids' minds is also responsible for skewing the innate instincts and common sense of the staff, not to mention interfere or run counter to the appropriate training they may or may not have received.

Gotta wonder what the word is from CRC Health: strategy, strategy, strategy... Spin! Spin! Spin!
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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #107 on: April 02, 2010, 11:46:49 AM »
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I didn't post that article several times. I posted it once. It just came out.
I stated (or meant to state) that I had quoted the article several times, not that you posted it several times.


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However, what has been posted several times and to which you responded the last time as well ... is language supplied by Aspen Ed in the form of official statements.

Each of Aspen Ed's statements regarding this matter has referred to "EMT-trained" personnel, and each time you have seen fit to highlight this particular facet of their statement in some fashion or another.

I believe I stated EMT’s.  The training they got was not specific.  They might have received a 1 hour course or a 6 month off site training course.

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I suppose this time around you wish to skew blame towards the individual staff involved, as if it was their fault, and their fault alone, and away from the fact that the same "therapeutic milieu" responsible for bending kids' minds is also responsible for skewing the innate instincts and common sense of the staff, not to mention the probable lack of appropriate training they received.

I think I have been clear that the root cause is still open in my mind.  I am one of the few that has withheld blame.  I indicated in my past posts that several options are open in my mind.  The EMTs may not have received proper training…. Maybe they wanted Sergey to die…. Maybe they were intimidated by their immediate superiors and hesitated to call 911.  Maybe there was something else wrong with Sergey.

Others here might have made up their minds and assigned blame but I am still waiting for more information which may come after the final report is submitted by the investigative team.

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Whooter wrote:The article doesn’t say just any training. It states EMT Training. Che asked where is says they were both EMT "Certified". I agree I should have caught that he added the word "Certified" to it when I supplied the link. But they were not my words.

But perhaps you were hoping the implication that they were certified ... would have been impressed upon the naive reader, eh?

I never wrote the word “Certified” nor did I ever imply it.  You will need to ask Che what his motive was for writing that or where he referenced it from.  But it didnt come from any of my postings.



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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #108 on: April 02, 2010, 12:19:50 PM »
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But, aside from opinions, I am curious about how to handle a bunch of kids who are out on a hike and they are all complaining about being hot and tired. How does one differentiate between the ones who are truly dehydrated, in need of medical attention and those who are slackers and are exhibiting behavior issues?

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There were 2 EMT’s on the hike with these kids. How could these symptoms get past them?

Neglect Whooter!
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Deputy Pore contends that SageWalk and the Aspen Education Group approved or knowingly tolerated practices at the camp that allowed employees to ignore the physical complaints of students, and that resulted in the death of Sergey Blashchishen.

Yes, and if it turns out that the deputy is correct that they just ignore physical complaints of students then the next question is why?

Why would the staff just ignore the complaints?  Is it lack of training?  Did they want the kid to die?  Did they feel the kids are faking?
If kids die under the programs care they are responsible and having kids die just isn't good for business.  So it is safe to assume that from a humanitarian or a business stand point no one wanted Sergey to die.

So the question still remains as to the root cause of Sergeys death.



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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2010, 03:06:53 PM »
Skipping ahead cause I haven't got time to read it all.....

Oscar, I disagree with you that the US needs yet another Federal agency for any reason. We're damned near tapped out by the tax man already and so constricted in our activities it's hard to even make a living let alone do anything really worthwhile.

We already have adequate laws to protect children and adults from this kind of abuse. We just have a blind spot with regard to enforcement. The troubled parent industry has enjoyed the same kind of baseless trust as the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts. That's the problem.

And here we're only talking about those incidents that actually result in the death of a child. What about all the people who survive but are traumatized to the point of serious psyche damage? Can you imagine what the other kids on that hike will have to deal with having the memory of chowing down on some lentils n rice in the shade while watching this other kid die? That's a serious mind fuck right there. In fact, this fucked up cottage industry has given rise to another cottage industry to deal with the fall-out. See the wiki definition for Exit Counseling.
 
I'm very happy to see that the Sheriff's Dept is recommending homicide charges and hopeful that the DA will follow that recommendation. When institutions are as wary of legal prosecution for abuse as as individuals I shall futterwhacken vigorously!
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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2010, 04:39:22 PM »
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We already have adequate laws to protect children and adults from this kind of abuse.

THANK YOU!

Not only that, due to the fact that there are many unscrupulous individuals out there who have the gall to split hairs over what's really abusive and what is not, the malplractice laws can absolutely pick up the slack. Those things together are more than sufficient, and it's already proven its efficacy in court.
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« Reply #111 on: April 03, 2010, 05:53:41 PM »
Re-post of one of the original articles from last October, shortly after the incident:

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Investigator calls wilderness school reckless in teen's death

A 16-year-old collapsed and died on an August hike in Lake County; a sheriff's deputy says interviews indicate the school may have skirted disaster before

By Erin Golden  / The Bulletin
Published: October 20. 2009 4:00AM PST


The investigation into the death of a 16-year-old Portland boy who collapsed on a hike with a Redmond-based wilderness school this summer is focusing on reports that the boy may not have had proper nutrition and medical care before and during his hike through a remote area of northern Lake County.

In an affidavit requesting a search warrant to seek documents and other evidence from SageWalk Wilderness School's Southwest Obsidian Avenue office last month, Lake County Sheriff's Deputy Chuck Poré wrote that he believes Sergey Blashchishen's death was a homicide and the result of criminal mistreatment and reckless endangerment by the school.

No charges have been filed against SageWalk or any individuals, and the investigation is expected to continue for another few months.

But Poré said Monday that the information he gathered to make his case for a search warrant — including interviews with school staff members who said Blashchishen started showing signs of distress hours before anyone called 911 — are still pointing him in the direction of a crime.

"I have not changed my course from what I saw when I made the application for the search warrant," Poré said.

Blashchishen died on Aug. 28. About two weeks later, SageWalk Executive Director Mike Bednarz said the Oregon Department of Human Services had ordered the school to send all of its students home.

On Sept. 14, the Lake County Sheriff's Office executed the search warrant, taking more than 400 files and Blashchishen's camping equipment.

On Monday, Bednarz said no students are currently at the school, but declined to comment further, citing the ongoing law enforcement and state Department of Human Services investigations.

Surprise pickup

SageWalk is one of a handful of wilderness schools in Central Oregon for teens dealing with emotional and behavioral issues or other problems, including substance abuse.

According to the affidavit, the boy's mother, Lyudmila Blashchishen, wrote on a school form that her son was aggressive, sometimes rude and uninterested in studying or thinking about his future. On Aug. 26, Blashchishen's parents enrolled him in SageWalk without his knowledge.

On Aug. 27, between 5:30 a.m. and 6:30 a.m., two "transporters" contracted by SageWalk woke Blashchishen at his home in Portland to take him to SageWalk, according to the affidavit. Blashchishen's parents, who had been told to be away when their son was picked up, watched from a neighbor's house.

Poré wrote in the affidavit that surprise early-morning pickups are a frequent occurrence for new SageWalk students.

Blashchishen arrived in Redmond around 9 a.m. and was later transported to a medical facility for blood tests and a drug screening, according to the affidavit. He tested positive for THC, a substance found in marijuana, but a staff member present for the testing said no additional questions were asked about Blashchishen's drug use or his two-year cigarette smoking habit, which his mother had listed on a school medical history form.

Around 1 p.m., Blashchishen was blindfolded and put in a vehicle headed to the school's base camp in Lake County. Around the area of Hampton Station, Blashchishen said he wanted the blindfold removed, and staff members agreed to take the blindfold off and let the boy lie in the back seat if he'd look only at the vehicle's ceiling.

Blashchishen was never told where he was going or what would happen to him, according to the affidavit.

Once he arrived at camp, Blashchishen met other students. The conversation turned to drug use, and Blashchishen talked about purchasing the drug OxyContin.

Calorie count

The students later had a meal of rice and lentils. Though some students were allowed to ask for up to five cups of food, Blashchishen, as a newcomer, was offered just two, according to the affidavit.

DHS regulations for wilderness schools require all students to be offered no less than 3,000 calories of food per day.

Poré wrote that SageWalk staff members could not provide information about what else, if anything, Blashchishen ate before the meal of lentils and rice. He wrote that the boy could have had as few as 400 calories during the day.

That day, Blashchishen wrote a poem, in which he described the camp scene — "squirrels/running around/blue skies/green bushes and trees/but I'm still hungry."

Staff members Poré interviewed later said they did not recall Blashchishen saying he was hungry.

The next morning, at 11:45, Blashchishen, the other students, and three staff members had breakfast and set off for a hike south of Hampton.

Blashchishen carried his camping gear, food, water and clothing in a pack that weighed between 40 and 50 pounds, according to the affidavit. He set out at a "good pace" in the front of the rest of the group, though he didn't know how far he'd be hiking that day. The terrain was dusty, with tall brush and little shade.

About an hour later, one of the staff members noticed Blashchishen walking strangely. The group took a break and Blashchishen drank water and consumed electrolytes.

When the hike continued, another staff member noticed that Blashchishen had started carrying his backpack in a different way, and he was "not resting efficiently," but did not ask the boy if he was having problems, according to the affidavit.

Staff members told Poré that they did not push Blashchishen to continue on, but added that other students encouraged him to continue.

As the hike went on, the staff members said Blashchishen fell several times, but pulled himself up and kept walking. Just after 2 p.m., staff members called the school's field supervisor to report that Blashchishen had vomited, but the hike continued.

Less than a half-hour later, about one mile from where the hike had begun, Blashchishen collapsed and lay on his back in the sun. The other students moved to the shade and began preparing lunch.

Blashchishen declined the offer of food and shortly after began flailing his arms and yelling in a foreign language, according to the affidavit. Staff members said the boy began to hyperventilate before his breathing slowed and then stopped altogether.

Call for help

One staff member told Poré that by the time Blashchishen stopped breathing, he'd been thinking about calling for help, but had not. At 2:36 p.m., staff members called a school nurse, who then told another staff member to call 911.

In the affidavit, Poré wrote that the call came much too late.

"This was not a call in progress explaining that Sergey was doing weird things and then during the conversation he collapsed," Poré wrote. “This call began with the announcement of the cessation of life and the beginning of CPR. This is a call that should have gone first and directly to 911."

Two staff members trained as emergency medical technicians performed CPR for about 45 minutes before an AirLink helicopter arrived from Bend. But by the time the helicopter arrived, Blashchishen was already dead. Deputies from the Deschutes and Lake County Sheriff's offices were called to the scene.

Poré arrived around 7 p.m., nearly five hours after staff members had begun CPR and more than three hours after they'd stopped lifesaving efforts. He rolled Blashchishen onto his side to examine him, and was surprised to find the boy's body still warm.

"Never before have I encountered a body that was warmer than my own touch, and it was especially remarkable as it was overcast and had been hours since death. ... Although I was gloved I was wearing short sleeves and could feel the heat radiation against my own skin," Poré wrote. "My senses likened the feeling to touching someone who had just gotten out of a hot shower."

The investigation continues

The State Medical Examiner's Office has not yet released the results of an autopsy, and in a preliminary death certificate signed on Aug. 30 by Dr. James Olson, the deputy state medical examiner for Southern Oregon, Blashchishen's cause of death was listed as "pending."

But on the certificate, Olson listed hyperthermia — the condition that occurs when a person's body temperature rises to abnormally high levels — as a possible contributing factor.

In his affidavit, Poré alleges that SageWalk was negligent on several counts. He wrote that school staff members should have asked more questions about Blashchishen's tobacco and drug use before sending him off on a hike. In addition, he said the school failed to consider the stress that could have been created by the previous day's early-morning pickup and blindfolded transport to the campsite.

Finally, Poré wrote that the staff members should have responded more quickly to Blashchishen's signs of distress on the hike.

Gordon Gannicott, a Portland attorney representing Blashchishen's family, said his clients agree with Poré's conclusions.

"I think the family is upset about what happened to Sergey, and they have concerns about these type of programs. ... There's a real possibility for danger with these camps. It appears that the behavioral focus is placed maybe above the medical focus in the food chain, and you end up with situations where the counselors, the people involved with the camps, are ignoring straightforward medical symptoms and signs in an attempt to shape behavior, and they should be responding more properly to medical issues."

The state began licensing outdoor schools after the death in 2000 of a 15-year-old student, who was being held facedown on the ground by a counselor while on a hiking trip in Lake County. The student was attending Obsidian Trails, a Bend-based wilderness school that closed several years after the incident. A civil suit filed against the school by the boy's mother was settled for an undisclosed amount.

No criminal charges were filed in connection with the 2000 incident.

DHS spokesman Gene Evans said his department's investigation into Blashchishen's death is ongoing, but declined to comment further.

Poré said he still needs to conduct more interviews and sort through the hundreds of pages of documents seized from the SageWalk office before he can decide if he will recommend that the Lake County District Attorney's office pursue criminal charges.

But in the affidavit, Poré wrote that his interviews with staff members had led him to believe that problems had occurred at the school.

"The pattern suggests that SageWalk, as a day care facility having a seemingly special right to press children to their maximum and beyond, is without the capability to separate symptoms of misbehavior from symptoms of approaching death," Poré wrote. "(My) interviews strongly suggest that, at least for the last nine months, SageWalk may have taken children to the precipice of disaster and been lucky. On Friday, August 28th, 2009, this luck ran out."

Erin Golden can be reached at 541-617-7837 or at egolden@bendbulletin.com.


Published Daily in Bend Oregon by Western Communications, Inc. © 2010
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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2010, 07:18:05 PM »
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1. Staff focus on what they perceive as "to behave badly" rather than the root cause of a problem
Not sure what you mean here.

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2. Training issues
Agreed. Although they indicated that there were 2 Trained EMT’s on the hike with Sergey.  The extent of their training isn’t clear.
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3. Inexperienced trip leaders
Another possibility
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4. Qualification issues
Also possible

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Combination of 1- 4 (or all) Whooter

Also, there could be pressure from home base to clear any call to 911 or outside the program which would have delayed or hampered rescue efforts.



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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2010, 07:26:35 PM »
Investigating Deputy wrote:

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"The pattern suggests that SageWalk, as a day care facility having a seemingly special right to press children to their maximum and beyond, is without the capability to separate symptoms of misbehavior from symptoms of approaching death,….
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I found this comment interesting.  He seems to be indicating that there is a difficulty separating out behavior issues from approaching death.  I am wondering if this played a big part in Sergeys death.  If it did then I wonder how does one attain this training to differentiate or neutralize the behavior aspect when determining if a child is sick or not?



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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2010, 08:16:13 PM »
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Investigating Deputy wrote:

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"The pattern suggests that SageWalk, as a day care facility having a seemingly special right to press children to their maximum and beyond, is without the capability to separate symptoms of misbehavior from symptoms of approaching death,….
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I found this comment interesting.  He seems to be indicating that there is a difficulty separating out behavior issues from approaching death.  I am wondering if this played a big part in Sergeys death.  If it did then I wonder how does one attain this training to differentiate or neutralize the behavior aspect when determining if a child is sick or not?

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Well there definitely not going to accomplish this, when they take a young man that the day before still had THC in his system, along with nicotine. On top of that I'm sure he was not nutritional balanced or emotionally or mentally alert.
Damn I went into the Marines Bootcamp in San Diego, Ca. and they did not take us out on a march/run of 1 mile for at least the first week we were there, as explained later they wanted to properly have are bodies  nutritional.

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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2010, 08:30:25 PM »
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Quote from: "Whooter"
Investigating Deputy wrote:

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"The pattern suggests that SageWalk, as a day care facility having a seemingly special right to press children to their maximum and beyond, is without the capability to separate symptoms of misbehavior from symptoms of approaching death,….
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I found this comment interesting.  He seems to be indicating that there is a difficulty separating out behavior issues from approaching death.  I am wondering if this played a big part in Sergeys death.  If it did then I wonder how does one attain this training to differentiate or neutralize the behavior aspect when determining if a child is sick or not?

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Well there definitely not going to accomplish this, when they take a young man that the day before still had THC in his system, along with nicotine. On top of that I'm sure he was not nutritional balanced or emotionally or mentally alert.
Damn I went into the Marines Bootcamp in San Diego, Ca. and they did not take us out on a march/run of 1 mile for at least the first week we were there, as explained later they wanted to properly have are bodies  nutritional.

Danny
Thats actually a good point.  I wonder if there is a test or a way to determine if/when the child is fit to go on a hike of this type.  The program could feed, detox and stabilize the child for a week and then get clearance from a test (blood test) of some sort which deems the child healthy enough to move into the wilderness program.  Just coming off butts and junk food suddenly would be enough to put the body in shock and throw off the electrolytes I would think.



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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2010, 08:45:17 PM »
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On top of that I'm sure he was not nutritional balanced or emotionally or mentally alert.

How can you be sure? Did you know this kid?
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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2010, 08:48:22 PM »
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Investigating Deputy wrote:

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"The pattern suggests that SageWalk, as a day care facility having a seemingly special right to press children to their maximum and beyond, is without the capability to separate symptoms of misbehavior from symptoms of approaching death,….
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I found this comment interesting.  He seems to be indicating that there is a difficulty separating out behavior issues from approaching death.  I am wondering if this played a big part in Sergeys death.  If it did then I wonder how does one attain this training to differentiate or neutralize the behavior aspect when determining if a child is sick or not?

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Well there definitely not going to accomplish this, when they take a young man that the day before still had THC in his system, along with nicotine. On top of that I'm sure he was not nutritional balanced or emotionally or mentally alert.
Damn I went into the Marines Bootcamp in San Diego, Ca. and they did not take us out on a march/run of 1 mile for at least the first week we were there, as explained later they wanted to properly have are bodies  nutritional.

Danny
Thats actually a good point.  I wonder if there is a test or a way to determine if/when the child is fit to go on a hike of this type.  The program could feed, detox and stabilize the child for a week and then get clearance from a test (blood test) of some sort which deems the child healthy enough to move into the wilderness program.  Just coming off butts and junk food suddenly would be enough to put the body in shock and throw off the electrolytes I would think.



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That's what I'm saying, why would you want to do that. That in and of itself is irresponsible. So Whooter Sagewalk is entirely culpable for this young man dying. This is a tragedy that should have never happened. I don't think it can be seen any other way rationally.
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Re: Sheriff recommends death be identified a homicide - Sagewalk
« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2010, 09:03:11 PM »
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On top of that I'm sure he was not nutritional balanced or emotionally or mentally alert.

How can you be sure? Did you know this kid?
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Well the autopsy said he had THC in his system which is a stimulant plus nicotine stimulant, I'm sure Sergy wasn't running track for his high school and he was talking about his oxy -cot use. So right there you have a idea his body wasn't stable nor his mental/emotional state. As far as nutrition, once again I'm sure Sergy wasn't sitting down at the dinner table with the fam eating all his essentials every nite.
Plus the report that Det. Pore wrote sort of supports what I am saying but "I" being a drug addict  assumed his body would not be suitable for a 1mile or more hike with a 40 lbs. pack on your back in the sun, 1 day after being kidnapped from lifestyle as the one described above.
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