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« on: September 16, 2003, 11:17:00 PM »
Excerpt from Rebecca Plona, M.Ed., marketing consultant for Skyline Journey. Rebecca has worked with a variety of emotional growth programs over the last 8 years including: Learning Forum?s Super Camp, Aspen Youth Alternatives and Mount Bachelor Academy. She was founding Director of Admission and Marketing for the King George School, an affiliate of the Brown Schools.
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /oe04.html
excerpt from paper by Plona:
Sociological studies have shown that children are most successful when they have the benefit of many healthy adult role models and many different adults watching out for them throughout their development. Those of us who have experience in an emotional growth environment can present example after example demonstrating this to be the case.

Several years ago, Former First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton wrote a book I often cite in my discussions with parents who are considering emotional growth education for their child. Regardless of anyone?s opinions about Mrs. Clinton, her politics, or her choices, I tend to recommend to parents her book, ?It Takes a Village?, because she writes about this very topic. Whether I agree or disagree with any of her other public statements, I do agree strongly with her statement: ?it takes a village to raise a child?. It really does ?take a village? and those who first created emotional growth environments have known this for many years.
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Pay close attention to this article re: Hillary's "Global Community" and parental rights.  She has cooped and bastardized the terms "consensus" and "It Takes a Village". Folks who are familiar should pay close attention to her definition. While I don't agree fully with this Christian fundamentalist perspective, the rhetoric for a Global Village sounds all too familiar, and they make some good points.

http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/whtpr96.html

What Happened To Parental Rights? With excerpts from Brave New Schools
by Berit Kjos <www.crossroad.to>

"To raise a happy, healthy and hopeful child, it takes...all of us. Yes, it takes a village."
Hillary Clinton addressing the 1996 Democratic Convention

"Parents give up their rights when they drop the children off at public school."1
Texas Federal District Judge Melinda Harmon

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"You are not welcome at this school," warned the second-grade teacher. "We feel that you are criticizing and watching over our shoulder." Stunned, the Kansas mother2 listened. She had voiced her reluctance to let her daughter attend an "historical" play that touted hypnotism and spiritism. Didn't she and her husband have the right to raise their daughter according to biblical guidelines?

Apparently not in the eyes of local educators. They are not alone. A Colorado mother was "expelled from the school grounds" for sharing her concern over the earth-centered spirituality taught as part of environmental education. Two New York mothers faced ridicule for objecting to the use of Magic Gathering-a psychologically addictive occult card game-to teach math. It didn't matter that the elementary age students would "summon" the ghostly forces shown on the cards they collected, calling out "spirits, enter me."

In 1988, parents in San Ramon, California, resisted the classroom use of R-rated movies. The movies were stopped-for a season. But four teachers, the local teacher's union, and the California Teachers Association sued the school board and superintendent for (1) violating their constitutional right to free speech in the classroom and (2) for allegedly heeding the religious view of a small minority of citizens. The teachers won. On May 18, 1990, a California Superior Court decided that a teacher's constitutional rights supersedes the concerns of parents and the school board.3

While parents were denied the right to protect their children, the teachers were protected from parents who supposedly violate their right to educate their students their way. Who, then, is responsible for the wellbeing of children?

"We are!" say Christian parents. "It's our God-given, inalienable, and constitutional right."

"No, we are!" argue politically correct educators, social workers, psychologists, and politicians who make up the local and global "village." They often respond with contempt when faced with Christian arguments for parental rights. Few have voiced this growing hostility more bluntly than did Kathy Collins, former Legal Counsel to the Iowa Department of Education. In her article, "Children Are Not Chattel," she said,

"Children... are not "owned" by their parents.... The Christian fundamentalists who want the freedom to indoctrinate their children with religious education do not understand [that] the law that prevents them from legally teaching their kids prevents someone else from abusing theirs." 4

In other words, training children according to biblical guidelines is equated with child abuse. Seen from the new global perspective, the old beliefs are handicaps which hinder the preparation of "human resources" for the global workforce." What seems absurd from a biblical perspective-such as the much-quoted 1972 statement below by Dr. Chester Pierce-makes perfect sense to globalists:

Every child in America entering school at the age of five is insane because he comes to school with certain allegiances toward our founding fathers, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being.... It's up to you, teachers, to make all of these sick children well by creating the international children of the future.5

Educational leaders have warned that it's not enough to change the children. Adults must be reached as well. The solution? Hillary Clinton's vision of the collective village! Her book popularized today's plan for child raising through a network of "partnerships" designed to weaken the rights of noncompliant parents. Teachers, social workers, psychologists, business and church leaders... all would trained in the new ways of thinking and believing. All would be taught to compromise and find "common ground". All must embrace the new visions and values. And all must help parents raise their children according to politically correct ways-whether parents want their training or not.

After all, the collective society cannot, as Hillary Clinton suggests, "arrive at a consensus of values and a common vision,"6 unless everyone participates in the process. Nor can it create Clinton's form of consensus without "resisting the lure of extremist rhetoric and balancing individual rights and freedoms with personal responsibility and mutual obligations."7 All people must join in the new community dialogues where trained facilitators lead unsuspecting "stakeholders" toward predetermined outcome. All must be willing to pay for their personal rights by accepting the new collective responsibilities.

This revolution in values was planned more than half a century ago. In 1946, psychiatrist Brock Chisholm, head of the World Health Organization (WHO), described the "new" attitude toward old-fashioned parents and called for an "eradication of the concept of right and wrong":

"We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents.... The results are frustration, inferiority, neurosis and inability to... make the world fit to live in....

"It has long been generally accepted that parents have perfect right to impose any points of view, any lies or fears, superstitions, prejudices, hates, or faith on their defenseless children.... These things cause neuroses....

"Surely the training of children in homes and schools should be of at least as great public concern as are their vaccination... [People with] guilts, fears, inferiorities, are certain to project their hates on to others.... Such reaction now becomes a dangerous threat to the whole world.... Whatever the cost, we must... [put] aside the mistaken old ways of our elders.... If it cannot be done gently, it may have to be done roughly or even violently."8

Hillary Clinton's vision had been brewing in the minds of UN and other globalist change agents for decades. In 1967, psychologist Hal Robinson, who served on a presidential task force, sought the perfect blend of family and society as a child-rearing institution. Funded by the Carnegie Corporation and the U.S. government and named after UN leader Frank Graham, the project started an experimental day-care center.9

A few years later, Kurt Waldheim, Secretary-General of the U.N., addressed the Executive Board of UNICEF, saying:

"Until fairly recently, in most societies, the responsibility for child development rested entirely with parents.... This... is changing... The process of child development has to be the concern of society as a whole-on the national and international level. From the very beginning, the leaders of UNICEF... clearly understood this...." 10

In 1981, American educators began to implement UNICEF's vision. The Missouri Department of Education launched the first government program to actually tell parents how to raise their children. Under the misleading title, Parents as Teachers (PAT), it was introduced as a voluntary project to help disadvantaged children. Five years later, it had been introduced in 40 states and "at least eight foreign countries."11 In 1994, it was signed into law as part of Goals 2000.

To win public support for PAT and countless other pieces of the global transformation puzzle, educators have begun a massive nationwide campaign to promote their vision and silence opposition. Nothing illustrates this "social marketing"12 effort better han Education Secretary Riley's Community Action Toolkit, which arms local change agents with persuasive strategies for winnining the community to their side, building partnerships, and responding to dissenting parents.

Remember, a peaceful transformation cannot succeed without general consent from the public-however uninformed that consent might be. And what strategy could better win support among the opposing forces than a friendly invitation to cooperate, share the new vision, and seek "common ground"? This process works because few dare even suspect what the change agents plan to do to parents. Even church leaders, who should be a parent's prime defender, have become "partners" to the horrendous betrayal. Left behind, are countless Christian parents who stand alone in their attempt to raise godly children God's way.

Some seek protection through state and national "parental rights" laws. But many of these bills and laws bring new dangers. Often the "rights" they promise are conditioned on parental compliance with ambiguous "responsibilities" or "duties" open to politically correct interpretations by educators and legislators. Failure to meet even one of the "duties" could cancel all the "rights".

The 1996 Parental Rights and Responsibilities Act (PRRA) ties parental rights to the parental responsibility for teaching children "literacy" and "citizenship"-two terms with open-ended meanings. Could "citizenship" imply world citizenship? It does, in some educational literature.

Would courts interpret "literacy" according to its traditional meaning or as used in California's History-Social Science Framework which calls for Historical Literacy (including cultural empathy and respect for various religious traditions) Ethical Literacy (looks at ethics from a global or UN perspective), Cultural Literacy (including the myths, values, and beliefs of cultures), Economic Literacy (understanding "the problem of scarcity" --a Marxist philosophical view--and evaluating "the distribution of scarce resources" globally), and Sociopolitical Literacy (understanding political systems and the influences that affect the "interpretations the Constitution").

Someone has warned that "those who define the terms control the system." The educational establishment-at the local, state, national and international levels-have a compelling interest in both legislating and defining parent responsibilities. To implement their agenda for the governance of each local "village", they need to link parents to an enforcable standard. Their children will be the hostage, and parental rights the carrot used to ensure compliance.

Therefore, any "parental rights" bill that that links "rights" to unspecified "responsibilities" or "duties" is dangerous. By redefining words and specifying duties, educators can force parents into "partnerships" that involve politically correct training in the "new" global values and group thinking. As the much-quoted globalist Professor John Goodlad suggests, parents as well as children must be indoctrinated with the new values:

"Enlightened social engineering is required to face situations that demand global action now... Parents and the general public must be reached also, otherwise, children and youth enrolled in globally oriented programs may find themselves in conflict with values assumed in the home. And then the educational institution frequently comes under scrutiny and must pull back."13

While leading educators express "compelling interest" in conforming everyone to their global views, legislators and governors follow suit. In 1996, Ohio's governor signed a new education bill which requires certain parents to participate in new training programs. This "Ohio Revised Code" (ORC) states:

"No person required to attend a parental education or training program... shall fail to attend the program. Whoever violates this section is guilty of parental education neglect, a misdemeanor of the 4th degree." (Sec.2919.222)

When the state assumes power to tell any parent what and how to teach their children, all parents need to be on guard. Citing studies by the Carnegie Foundation and World Health Organization, Hillary Clinton suggest that the new "breakthroughs in psychology and neuroscience" that sheds light" on human behavior be communicated to "all parents." That includes parents who homeschool as well as those who use private and public schools.

Both our children and our endangered constitutional rights need protection. To win this battle, consider these warnings:

1. Know that our view of parental rights differs radically from that of most contemporary educators who can neither understand our objections nor accept our "inalienable rights." They believe they-not parents-are responsible for preparing children for the global workforce and the 21st century village.

2. Claiming our God-given rights won't persuades most contemporary judges. Many are trained to see parenting from a liberal and global-not traditional and Christian-perspective. Right or wrong, they have legal authority to remove children from parents.

3. Don't jump on parental rights legislation bandwagons at local, state or national level without thorough examination. Many great-sounding bills would do the opposite of what they seem to promise. Since the Constitution has already been reinterpreted by the courts to fit politically correct ideology, parents must resist all bills that could give the state-rather than the parents-a "compelling interest", thus weaken rather than enforce our endangered parental rights.14

4. Don't be deceived by the tempting promises. God's Word says it well: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." (Colossians 2:7-9)

5. While we base this battle on biblical truths and follow God's ways (pray first, speak in love, demonstrate the life of Jesus....) we must be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. That means speaking a language educators can understand-which, in turn, means understanding their words and definitions. (The glossary in Brave New Schools will help you.)

6. Most important, we must pray and seek God's guidance. Without His Word, His counsel, His strength, and His blessing we cannot win. With Him, we are more than conquerors through Christ-whether this monstrous system is stopped or not.
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2003, 09:42:00 AM »
Deborah,

I've been there as a mom but my school allowed me to remove my child for such purposes as Hindu plays etc. although in JR HIgh spelling class the teacher used a spiritual climb through beast to Wizard as a reward...the principal has said that it is hot and all over texts for that age as that is what kids are into and they'll listen/read  ..the same argument used by parents/kids reading Harry Potter...the reality is the kids/adults are looking for spiritual power and the Christian church has unfortunately said those teachings in the Bible are not for today ...so the kids look elsewhere and are mesmerized when they find it...the truth is there is MUCH power in Christianity....I see in a few years an explosion in Witchcraft as all these little kids have been attending Witchcraft school along with Harry and know how to cast spells but have no idea how to access God and the real power of the Holy Spirit...it is very sad.

Would teachers be reading a book aloud to children that had a story line of Johhney laying hands on the sick and praying for healing...I doubt it but Witches access the spiritual realm through spells as Christians do through prayer and teachers are reading Harry Potter aloud to classes.

What I learned is that it is not separation of Church and State it is Separation of Christianity and State...how many of us/educators could pick out Hindu, Pagen, Buddhist, Humanistic theology? What we notice as religion and exclude is Biblical scripture and most would consider themselves Christian and are worried about sharing.

The truth is that facts not faith can be shared... the Supreme court has ruled twice that the Bible can and SHOULD be used as a HISTORY text...but we have the fear of the ACLU!....yet we see many religions (maybe unknowingly) presented yet I believe that Muslim/pagen etc children have a right to know what are the facts and why they see so many crosses on top of churches in their towns - what does it mean?

There's a little book called the making of Geoprge Washington about how he was raised...probably the greatest man/leader our country ever had...yet are kids taught what he learned..

this whole behavior camp need- in my opinion could be avoided with training starting at a young age...not a quick fix when we've followed the advice of man for years...you really do reap what you sow...

thanks for posting the piece..
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2003, 11:49:00 AM »
There is a great deal about this that I'd like to go over - but I don't know how to do so without "preaching."

I'll try a brief outline, with the offer I often give - if AnyOne would like to discuss any thing in more detail - Pls write me.

What you have here is a fulfillment of end time prophecy. This societal change has been foretold, and there is no circumventing it.

Christians are becoming the one class of people it is OK to vilify and hate. This has been foretold.

The New World Order is here. It also was foretold.

Nationalism is becoming outdated and is increasingly seen as a destructive form of prejudice and as limiting 'human potential.'

A world wide government and monetary system is on the way.

As is, a world wide religion; which comes to us straight from Hell, and is very 'spiritual'.

The decenters will be and are Christians and Jews.

Thus, the kind of hate and ridicule so often seen in public education, the media and increasingly in government, towards faithful Christians and to a lesser degree Jews.

But you'll notice an increasing hostility toward Israel, in the coming days. It is already apparent.
All the world will be against them; even us. My personal belief is, at that point; When this Nation turns its hand against Israel, God will completely remove the protection He has so long covered us with - and we as a nation will fall.

Excepting the fall of America, which I theorize just from the fact there is no Prophetic mention of us in the final days; It has all been foretold, and is proving to meet the test of God's Prophets with 100% accuracy, over and over and over.

I really could go on and on.

All this that is written about in this links lead post, is a blaring sign of the times.

There is absolute proof God IS; And absolte proof Who He is, as well - If anyone is intrested -

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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2003, 01:00:00 PM »
Although I was raised in a Presby church and school, I no longer consider myself Christian. It's nothing those good folks did to offend me or anything. Just that, when it came time to swear and promise that I believed the doctrine necessary to formally join the church, I had to admit that that would have been a lie. They required a "Yes" answer but the true answer for me was really "I don't know".

However, that doesn't mean that I want my kids subject to any damned thing the schoolpeople want to try on them.

People think they send their kids to school to learn the three r's, history, arts and to become well rounded, socially adept individuals. But that's just not what school is all about. There are hold outs among teachers and faculty who try, conciously or not, to sabotage what the school system is about and to treat their students with respect and dignity.

But it's a losing battle and, at the bottom of it, who really needs school anyway? Basic litteracy is extremely easy to learn for most people. Once you have that down, you can use that to learn anything you want to know.

Did you know that both Peer Counseling and DARE are defined as psychological programs, not curriculum? Both are developed by people closely affiliated with Straight, Inc. (former exec director, Bill Oliver and cofounder, Betty Sembler)

A lot of people who are rightly outraged by the abusive "personal growth" industry turn to the Convention on the Rights of the Child for remedy. Read the fine print, though, and you find that, according to this treaty, every child on the planet has a 'right' to compulsory schooling, as defined by the experts in organizations like DOE, NEA and DCF agencies.

Uh..... thanks, but no thanks!

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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2003, 03:10:00 PM »
I was also raised in a Presbyterian church and did not commit to it when it was time..when I felt compelled to learn about God as an adult I was led to a spirit filled church - one that believes all that is in the Bible and teaches about all including power in the HOly Spirit- Gifts of the Spirit ETc...as well as repentance and grace.

Many of you have been so hurt and of course are not trusting yet your Creator is a jealous God and He's jealous for your time and interaction...it is very different than "Church" knowing a Father and Savior and knowing that this life is not all their is = the best is yet to come - this life is about spreading around love...

Karen was right in her descriptions and there is a scripture that sums it all up...there will be a time when good is called bad and bad is called good..these are the times we live in.

I hope that we all draw closer to him and know the goodness and protection of the Lord in these last days...it's about your heart not your head- your head is a battleground. He created us and sent us a users manual- it's called the Bible.     :tup:
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2003, 05:04:00 PM »
**What you have here is a fulfillment of end time prophecy. This societal change has been foretold, and there is no circumventing it.

I don't believe prophecies are certain destiny, but warnings to be heeded- worse case scenerios- if the status quo remains the same. The Christian right and perhaps others are very vested in the notion that it can't be circumvented. They look forward to the Rapture, therefore, they accept enviornment destruction, unjust wars, etc as signs which don't require any thought or action. Why bother when you believe the Earth is going to hell, all species will perish- and that it's all good.

**Christians are becoming the one class of people it is OK to vilify and hate. This has been foretold.

That is just an extreme exaggeration. Many people and nations have been vilified and hated, many by Christians. I'm sure this will raise some hairs and initiate some defensive comments but, it has to be said. Do you have any clue how many millions of innocent people have been killed by so-called Christians and Jews? Could it be that all the "negative" attention is backlash? Christian America and Jewish Israel have wronged many and created plenty of enemies.

**The New World Order is here. It also was foretold. Nationalism is becoming outdated and is increasingly seen as a destructive form of prejudice and as limiting 'human potential.'
A world wide government and monetary system is on the way. As is, a world wide religion; which comes to us straight from Hell, and is very 'spiritual'.
The decenters will be and are Christians and Jews.

Christians and Jews are the decenters? Who do you think is leading the way to the New World Order? Our Christian and Jewish leaders in Wa. Do you believe Bush and Cheney are imposters- not followers and defenders of their respective religions? That seems to be the only way your comment would make sense. Further, if Bush, Falwell and Robertson don't speak for the "true" Christians, then what do those Christians propose to do about it?

This link should give you something to think about, and addresses all these issues. Please read it before responding:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15814
 
There is no seperation of Church and State. That there ever was is an illusion. We've always had laws and policies based on the laws in the bible. Why do we have sodomy laws? Whether a "lifestyle choice" or genetic predisposition, the government has no right punishing two consenting adults for whatever they choose to do.
An interesting article on the topic:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 070203.DTL

http://www.gaywired.com/avantgo/storyde ... n=9&ID=702

It is the fundamental extremism that I feel is bringing about the negativity toward, not just fundamentalist Christians, but the fundamentalists in all religions whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim- they all have their rabid radicals- who are not just content to live their life according to their religion, but feel compelled to force it on everyone else and control the world.

When the day is done, the pursuit of money and power will override anyone's religious beliefs and values, or they will use their religion to justify their greed and violence. It's all in the interpretation.
The belief in a sadistic and vengeful god is definitely a contributing factor in why we have behavior modification facilities and why abuse is disguised as therapy.

Other links of interest on the subject:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/publi ... eports.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=23749

On Israel:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/ ... 4268.shtml


http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/06/opini ... html?8hpib
When the Rapture comes, they grouse, the holy alliance between Christians and Jews will suddenly become unholy, with Christians levitating and Jews left behind to deal with the Antichrist, plagues, sores, boils, frogs, the endless syndication of "Everybody Loves Raymond" and locusts from the "bottomless pit," each with a human face, horse's body, scorpion's tail and a sting that torments for five months.

"This is a grim comedy of mutual condescension," says Leon Wieseltier, the Jewish scholar and literary editor of The New Republic. "The evangelical Christians condescend to the Jews by offering their support before they convert or kill them. And the conservative Jews condescend to Christians by accepting their support while believing that their eschatology is nonsense. This is a fine example of the political exploitation of religion."





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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2003, 06:43:00 PM »
**But it's a losing battle and, at the bottom of it, who really needs school anyway? Basic litteracy is extremely easy to learn for most people. Once you have that down, you can use that to learn anything you want to know.

Good question. I like these two articles on the subject.

http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool.htm
John Taylor Gatto is a former New York State and New York City Teacher of the Year and the author, most recently, of The Underground History of American Education. He was a participant in the Harper's Magazine forum "School on a Hill," which appeared in the September 2001 issue.


http://www.spinninglobe.net/againstschool2.htm
A positive proposal for an educational alternative to high schools as currently organized.

**Did you know that both Peer Counseling and DARE are defined as psychological programs, not curriculum? Both are developed by people closely affiliated with Straight, Inc. (former exec director, Bill Oliver and cofounder, Betty Sembler)

Peer Counseling? Do you have any links to this?
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2003, 06:49:00 PM »
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...there will be a time when good is called bad and bad is called good..these are the times we live in.


Yes, but these were also the times our grandparents lived in and their grandparents before them, etc. Tacitus wrote on this same theme. All the old philosophers did. And almost all religions have a similar prophesey about a chaotic and strife-filled future.

Really, it just stands to reason. People just seem to keep getting better and better at accomplishing whatever we set out to do, whether it's growing food, building machines or whatever. Then, when we've dominated another bit of nature, the first thing we realize is why maybe it wasn't such a wonderful idea to mess with it.

And then we have a dark ages. It's happened before. Someone built those wonderful pyramids, highways and water routes throughout So. America. And, by some accounts, someone other than the Egyptians built the ones in the mideast. There ain't nothing new under the Sun. Wasn't it Solomon who said that?
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2003, 07:17:00 PM »
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Peer Counseling? Do you have any links to this?

Deborah

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I can't seem to find any "smoking gun" document right now. But I had paper work from the Broward County Peer Counseling program when my daughter took it and it had a P.R.I.D.E. copyright (Bill Olivers Parent group) Back then, I had no clue that the "Safe and Drug Free Schools/workplace/communities" programs were all part of an organization formerly known as Straight, Inc.

Here's a collection of links that hints, or if you dig deep enough, actually states outright the SDF programs and their connection to DFAF.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=& ... ug+free%22

Here's the corporate entity record for DFAF, showing two name changes back to Straight.

http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/corpweb/ ... rinam.html

Just punch in drug free america and take a look at the record for drug free america foundation.

I love Gatto!

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2003, 07:54:00 PM »
**Secondary program in which high school students meet monthly with elementary students in grades 3-6 during January through April to discuss and share experiences in dealing with self-esteem issues as well as classroom learning objectives. Program has received regional recognition.

A 7-week interactive, experiential series utilizing group discussions, role playing and peer counseling through which participants address issues including family relationships, effective communication, anger management, substance abuse and other high-risk behaviors, personal goal setting, self-discipline, peer pressure, refusal skills and values clarification.

I wouldn't call these definitions "peer counseling", but rather, reverse peer pressure or peer lectures or peer training.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2003, 09:12:00 PM »
In practice, they get the PC kids to play a trustee type role, with special priviledges like being allowed to roam campus without a pass and to escort other students not in the PC program around campus during class time (to the office, etc) They encourage the kids to get other kids to confide in them and then to turn over information to the PC counselors when they get something they feel they can't handle. IE, cultivating snitches.

It creeped me out at the time, before I found out who was behind it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2003, 09:25:00 PM »
..or in other words, Positive Peer Culture.
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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2003, 09:42:00 PM »
It all depends on one's definition of "Positive".
I'm guessing we have different definitions.

In case you missed the link above, below is but one fine example of what I consider to be "positive" and an educational option that is badly needed in our society. As long as teens have limited options, all manner of control- drugs, incarceration, BM, punishment/torture, reverse peer pressure....will be "necessary". I'm sure those who defend it have a vested interest in the status quo remaining the same. It's a very profitable system for many.
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There is a technical high school in Turner's Falls, in western Massachusetts, which has a cooking program (among a wide variety of training options) that teaches kids how to buy, prepare and serve lunch on weekdays to whoever comes in to eat - and also offers a display of bakery goods to be purchased - in a restaurant setting, and at a moderate price. It is very popular. I have driven over there for lunch on a number of occasions. It's a very good experience. Except for the ones cooking and serving the food, the kids are free at lunchtime and just get to hang out with each other. Around Christmastime, many of them have tables set up in the hallways at which they sell various goods made in their classes.
 
I can only characterize the whole feeling tone of this big bunch of kids as downright unAmerican - at least if compared with most high school groups under the same circumstances. No teachers monitoring, no kids teasing each other, no excessive flirting or harassing, no frenetic dashing about, no smoking in sheltered corners outside the building - just kids strolling about in small groups, chatting with each other or selling their products, those from the greenhousing group offering sturdy plants - and being very knowledgeable about their management - along the corridor, some studying in a sunny corner - well, you get the picture. These kids love what they're doing, and they are good at what they do!
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2003, 11:51:00 PM »
Ok, now add a few adults who's jobs are to, say, run restaurants, nurseries and other businesses with mentoring and teaching younger folk as a sideline instead of the other way around and what have you got? A town. An odd one these days, where the kids are not segregated from normal business and social activities. But, in days gone by, it would be just your typical small American town.

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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2003, 12:42:00 AM »
No tv., limited computer access, no processed, pre packaged or frozen foods, microwaves.   Board games, card games...reverse progress!  Where is this place???  I wanna sign up!
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