Was Your Child the Victim of Abuse at Camp?

[Whooter]

Personal injury law firms are not interested in keeping kids safe as, Anne Bonney, would try to lead you to believe with her posting of advertisements.  These predators profit off the hardships of other people and their families.  Their only interest is their majority % in a settlement.  They could care less if the industry is better off this year than it was last year.  They are not interested in any cause, they may be suing you next year if the price is right.  Once they get paid they move on.

I picked one of Anne Bonneys "ambulance chaser" advertisements at random:

Spin it all you want.  We all know law firms have a wide variety of clients.  Some we like and agree with, some we don't.  Doing 'ambulance chasing' helps them afford to be able to take on other deserving cases pro bono.  We could also flip it around and  look into the history and clientele of the firms who have defended numerous programs for countless lawsuits for the abuse of children.

Spin! Spin!  Deflect!  Distort!  Dodge!  Parry!  SPIN!!

Just couldnt resist, Anne.  I just enjoyed seeing how far out people here will reach to get a negative spin on the TTI.  To justify your position based on these guys handing out their business cards to program parents was a new level and I couldnt let the opportunity pass without comment.

While I rely on studies you post advertisements for personal injury lawyers.  These are the same guys who advertise on daytime TV like Jerry Springer.  Their target audience are people who are on welfare looking to sue someone for easy money  (Got drunk and fell into a lobster pit and trying to sue the bar owner).  You never see them advertise during the PGA golf tournaments, or evening/business news.  

No harm meant by it, it is what it is and it says alot about the information you rely on.



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[Anne Bonney]

Just couldnt resist, Anne.  I just enjoyed seeing how far out people here will reach to get a negative spin on the TTI.  To justify your position based on these guys handing out their business cards to program parents was a new level and I couldnt let the opportunity pass without comment.

While I rely on studies you post advertisements for personal injury lawyers.  These are the same guys who advertise on daytime TV like Jerry Springer.  Their target audience are people who are on welfare looking to sue someone for easy money  (Got drunk and fell into a lobster pit and trying to sue the bar owner).  You never see them advertise during the PGA golf tournaments, or evening/business news.  

No harm meant by it, it is what it is and it says alot about the information you rely on.

Whatever helps ya sleep at night dude. Wow...the guilt you feel must truly be overwhelming at times for you to go to the lengths you do to defend even the indefensible.

I just happened to run across it while Googling "Wilderness therapy abuse".  I neither endorsed nor recommended them.  I merely found it interesting that more firms are finally deciding to tackle these fraudulent "treatment" programs.  But again.....spin spin spin away.  Hope it eases the guilt for you.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

a post in which she implied that Whooter is capable of feeling guilt

 :roflmao:  :feedtrolls:

[Whooter]

So if you were a parent looking for advice and credible info about the industry and had to choose between the guy below (Michael Grayson) or and angry poster from fornits would a parent look to an angry poster from fornits or someone who has dedicated a good part of his life with children and families and has also worked within programs themselves and presently has a private practice?  Is it a brainer or No brainer?  lol

Do you think the angry fornits poster would be biased?  Do you think The Licensed Psychologist is biased?

I know that the average fornits poster is not going to be swayed by any study or facts but we all have to admit that the emerging studies and professionals all point towards an overwhelming success rate which these wilderness and residential programs provide us.


Michael Grayson Conner, Psy.D
Licensed Psychologist
Clinical, Medical & Family Psychology


Board Certified
Emergency Crisis Response
School Crisis Response
Expert in Traumatic Stress
Residency & Clinical Psychology Fellowship completed
in Graduate Medical Education

Dr. Conner has provided and supervised crisis intervention services for nearly two thousand parents and professionals. He has worked in hospital, residential, primary medical care and health education settings. At one point in his career he worked simultaneously in law enforcement, community crisis intervention and emergency room psychiatry. These unique experiences allow Dr. Conner to understand the needs of adults, parents, families, adolescents, professionals and organizations facing the most challenging problems. Dr. Conner currently has a private practice working primarily with adults and families. He provides consultation and training for law enforcement and major airlines in the Pacific Northwest. Dr. Conner consults with parents and mental health professionals nationally.

Dr. Conner began pioneering research in the use of computers in personality assessment and training in 1989. This included the development and operation of computer based test interpretation and the associated ethical issues. He later developed developed a computer based mental health screening tool for primary medical care. This system accurately evaluated and recommended medications based on the thought processes of psychiatrists. Other projects included internet based screening questionnaires for adolescents who were at risk. In 1999 Dr. Conner began researching and developing an extensive data base on boarding schools, wilderness and adventure programs for youth and young adults. He has promoted emotional growth boarding schools and wilderness therapy treatment and is actively involved in helping the public to understand the difference between emotional growth, therapeutic, residential, adventure and wilderness therapy programs and boot camps. This research has allowed Dr. Conner to appreciate professional and consumer needs for intervention, program safety, the importance of follow-up programs as well as the importance of recognizing market trends.
 
Dr. Conner publishes articles, handouts and consumer protection materials on the internet and in monthly newspaper columns. In 2001 he received an award for "Professional and Public Service" from the American Mental Health Alliance. His handout on "Coping with Violent Traumatic Events in Communities" was adopted by the major health care networks in New York City and distributed throughout the city health care systems. He was interviewed by the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Parents Magazine, and several other east and west coast newspapers. His articles and research has been quoted in Money Magazine, Cosmopolitan Magazine and Better Homes & Gardens. Dr. Conner was a three time guest expert and consultant on Boot Camps, Wilderness and Boarding School programs for the Montel Williams Show - a nationally syndicated television program.

In 2002 Dr. Conner founded Psychware with the explicit purpose of developing an on-line evaluation tool for parents of children who might have behavioral and mental health problems. The goal was to bring screening and evaluation tools to parents via the internet. The goal was to provide education, information and appropriate guidance to parents who could not afford or access mental health care services. This included parents and care-givers with low income and people who lived in remote areas of the United States. A comprehensive screening and information web site was developed and made operational in January 2004.



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

What, does he not want to talk about the fact that he worked for Sagewalk anymore?

I wonder why?

I wonder if the pile of dead kids has something to do with that?

[Whooter]

What, does he not want to talk about the fact that he worked for Sagewalk anymore?

I wonder why?

I wonder if the pile of dead kids has something to do with that?

He has worked in hospital, residential, primary medical care and health education settings.


Hmmmm.  Doesnt seem to mention any of them specifically (by name).  Doesnt mention any of the hospitals or residential programs or primary medical care or his educational settings......Do you think he is hiding from all of them?  lol



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

This research has allowed Dr. Conner to appreciate professional and consumer needs for intervention, program safety, the importance of follow-up programs as well as the importance of recognizing market trends.

Yes, that's what matters when dealing with psychiatric problems. Market trends. Is it any wonder this guy got repeatedly shitcanned from his real jobs? Googling his name leads directly to a padded resume, on another cheesy site with a lot of broken links and a lot of scam bullshit.

And he got on Montel and whored himself there? (Note: Montel has since recanted support of programs) He's a bag of shit, another worthless ed-con in a sea of them.

The fact that you're spamming the place up with this worthless garbage is a real sign of desperation. What? Parents now have a shitload of resources to sue programs with, and lawyers chomping at the bit for their share of cash? Oh holy CRAP, we can't let the Fornits people talk about THAT, better post this other bullshit, maybe it'll derail this conversation too...

Parents: A whole lot of lawyers are convinced that your kid's abuse is not only real, it's provable in court. Feel free to use their services.

[Whooter]

The fact that you're spamming the place up with this worthless garbage is a real sign of desperation. What? Parents now have a shitload of resources to sue programs with, and lawyers chomping at the bit for their share of cash? Oh holy CRAP, we can't let the Fornits people talk about THAT, better post this other bullshit, maybe it'll derail this conversation too...

Spamming, Huh?  Why does this guys' credentials and background  bother you so much?  If you feel you are in a position to dispute what he says then what is your background?  lol  Where are your facts that say he isnt qualified to an opinion on about the industry.

The majority of the professionals know that at-risk children are being helped by residential treatment.  Again, are people going to believe someone on the web named "Pile of dead kids" or :

Michael Grayson Conner, Psy.D
Licensed Psychologist
Clinical, Medical & Family Psychology


Give it some thought.  I think the reality will come to you.



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

Oh wow. Appeal to authority in full force now, with someone that doesn't even have much of it. Strange how you never recognize real authority, like, oh... the Government Accountability Office. But that would royally screw up your narrative, now wouldn't it?

I'll have to go call Sergey's mother up now. I'm sure she'll be positively delighted to know that her son's Sagewalk murderers had so many wonderful qualifications. And maybe I'll call up Brendan Blum's mom too, tell her that the the sheer weight of this guy's college will resurrect her son right out of his grave.

[Whooter]

Oh wow. Appeal to authority in full force now, with someone that doesn't even have much of it. Strange how you never recognize real authority, like, oh... the Government Accountability Office. But that would royally screw up your narrative, now wouldn't it?

I'll have to go call Sergey's mother up now. I'm sure she'll be positively delighted to know that her son's Sagewalk murderers had so many wonderful qualifications. And maybe I'll call up Brendan Blum's mom too, tell her that the the sheer weight of this guy's college will resurrect her son right out of his grave.

Ha,Ha,Ha  saw that coming  (But you didnt post your credentials, maybe you forgot).....  maybe we should tell everyone about Columbine and all the people killed and try to shut down the public school system.  Oh No!!!  you didnt know?  someone was abused or killed in our public school system?  I wonder if more kids are abused and killed in the public school system then in programs.  What would we do?  That would rattle your world.....Would we advocate for programs and start telling parents to take their kids out of school and send them to programs?  Would you rely on facts?


Think about it and if you disagree thats cool. But this guy posted his background, credentials and opinions:

Michael Grayson Conner, Psy.D
Licensed Psychologist
Clinical, Medical & Family Psychology

You are named "A pile of dead kids"  Which post would you believe? lol



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

That's right! Keep hiding behind that ed-con's resume as if it means anything at all! Forget the fact that all the lawyers in this topic are, in fact, lawyers who passed the bar exam and are currently in professional practice. Never mind the GAO, whose members are immensely qualified and directly supported by Congress. And then there's the combined qualifications of the Oregon employees who shut MBA down for child abuse. Oh, and the law enforcement experience of the people who shut down Sagewalk. No, I guarantee you definitely don't want to talk about those.

Take a shithead, give him a diploma, and get a shithead with a diploma. It didn't help him much, Whooter. And it's definitely not helping you.

[Whooter]

That's right! Keep hiding behind that ed-con's resume as if it means anything at all! Forget the fact that all the lawyers in this topic are, in fact, lawyers who passed the bar exam and are currently in professional practice.

So are the lawyers that protect the programs.  They work on both sides.  But they could care less about the kids.. come on Pile, you should know this!

Never mind the GAO, whose members are immensely qualified and directly supported by Congress.

They never disputed the fact that programs are valuable and help many kids.  They just pointed out abuses that occurred and feel they should be regulated (Translation… we the government would like to get a piece of the action) and reduce the chance of further abuse.  Where did they say the industry should be shut down?  or is ineffective?

And then there's the combined qualifications of the Oregon employees who shut MBA down for child abuse. Oh, and the law enforcement experience of the people who shut down Sagewalk. No, I guarantee you definitely don't want to talk about those.

So we have between 300 and 500 programs in operation and you quote MBA which shut by its own decision and sagewalk which was shut down?  So we have 498 other programs doing well.  Oh, by the way, Columbine is still open.  No one shut that place down!!  Hmmmm.  Wonder why?  How about the teachers who rape their students in the public school system?  I guess public schools are safe.

Take a shithead, give him a diploma, and get a shithead with a diploma. It didn't help him much, Whooter. And it's definitely not helping you.

Well I asked you “Pile of dead kids” for your qualifications that you use to argue against :
Michael Grayson Conner, Psy.D
Licensed Psychologist
Clinical, Medical & Family Psychology

And I guess we got your answer.  You are definitely not a shithead with a diploma like the rest of us.  Wouldn’t that be just awful if that happened to you.   Thank you for answering the question in a round about way.



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

Of course they don't care, they're lawyers. If they *did* care, they'd take cases they didn't think they could win with. They're taking as many cases as they can, openly advertising for such. Ergo, they think, based on a purely greed perspective, that they can win in court. Ergo- this might break your mind if you think about it too hard Whooter, don't strain yourself- lots and lots of child abuse that occurred in programs is provable in court.

Well I'll ask you “Whooter” for your qualifications that you use to argue against :
Dr. Josef Mengele
Doctor of Anthropology
Doctor of Medicine
Iron Cross First Class

I know your qualifications don't come anywhere near close to this. Do YOU have two doctorates and a high military medal? No? Then who are you to question him?

[psy]

That's right! Keep hiding behind that ed-con's resume as if it means anything at all! Forget the fact that all the lawyers in this topic are, in fact, lawyers who passed the bar exam and are currently in professional practice.

So are the lawyers that protect the programs.  They work on both sides.  But they could care less about the kids.. come on Pile, you should know this!

Some lawyers do care.  Phil Elberg cares, as do my attorneys.

[AuntieEm2]

Pile of Dead Kids wrote:

Dr. Josef Mengele
Doctor of Anthropology
Doctor of Medicine
Iron Cross First Class

:roflmao: