JASON FINLINSON-CASA

[spots]

On 2004-09-13 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

*****"Of the news reports, they said only 4 of the 500 kids said they were being abused.  They were taken individually by the Mex government and of those 500, they had no reason to lie if they were really being abused.  No fear of losing points or priviledges, etc.  Why is that?

>>By what insight do you believe these kids thought they were "out of the woods" and therefore had no fear of losing points or privileges"?  I credit either extreme terror (hang the consequences) or extreme bravery to tell authorities about what was happening to them. Four young people were highlighted.  On any given day at Casa, are there not 100 kids denied decent food, kept in isolation, sequestered inside with workbooks and no teachers, kept from exercise which is vital for growing teen bodies, fearful of punishment for looking out the window, called not by name but by number, tagged "Liar" and "Manipulator" instead of being addressed as a person, given a reason to progress and live a better life other than being afraid of spending an eternity (inderminate sentence) away from all they love and remember about the Outside World?

*****The San Diego police were there in SUPPORT of the transfer, standing WITH the parents and the volunteers.  Why is that?

>>Because, Dumb-****, that's their job!  They were there to shepherd kids back to America, complying with a Mexican deportation order.  Do you really know if the inspection was surprise or not?  Did you know that a parent seminar (PC1) was in progress at the facility at the time?  Did you know the political agenda they were working on, or did Ken Kay influence you beyond what your own mind could imagine?  He said the Mexicans, 1) were jealous of WWASPS success, and 2) were retalitaing illegal-immigrant transfers of Mexicans back across the border.  Funny...this "illegal immigrant" situation has been returning Mexican laborers back for, let me see, more than 80 years that I know of.  Shall we credit the Mexican government with *finally* getting it and finding a retaliatory action to get back at the US?  Ken Kay thinks so.  

******This was not a surprise inspection, it looks like they were going to close it no matter what due to some political agenda.  We'll know more in the days to come.  They did, however, transport the kids to the border.  Why is that?

>>Gee Wow.  You have incredible insight and private information!!!  Jumping to conclusions does not half describe your assertations!!!! :scared:

Why did they transport kids to the border?  Look at the last paragraph, Dumb-****.  It was the law, and SD police are law enforcers.  

******Tim Weiner again reported on what looks like a biased contact with one of those or more, on this board, without taking the time to report anything that even resembled the truth.  Why is that? "

>>Sigh.  Gee wow, again.  I have had contact with the San Diego Union Tribune, the San Jose Mercury News, NBC's [TV Dateline reporter, prefer not to name this person] , and about 5 others regarding their reporting of the "pro"-WWASPS parents.  While these reporters are searching truthfully for the whole story, they are meeting with **parents whose children are still in the program**, and they ALL have expressed interest in hearing another view of the situation as they do their follow-up stories. I have faith in the journalistic community, and they want to hear all sides of the story. The sunlight is deadly to WWASPS.

[Antigen]

On 2004-09-13 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

Of the news reports, they said only 4 of the 500 kids said they were being abused.

Nope. They said that four of them showed signs of physical and/or mental abuse. In other words, at least four cases of the variety that scares the living shit out of Program people; where it's not just the kids' word against theirs.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

[Anonymous]

//He said the Mexicans, 1) were jealous of WWASPS success, and 2) were retalitaing illegal-immigrant transfers of Mexicans back across the border.//

Can you believe this goofy shit??
And you left out the terrorist threat  :roll:

They soak it up like dry sponges dropped in a bucket of  - well use your imagination.

And Ginger, this is a very good point:
Nope. They said that four of them showed signs of physical and/or mental abuse. In other words, at least four cases of the variety that scares the living shit out of Program people; where it's not just the kids' word against theirs.

[Nihilanthic]

One case is too many.

Asking children in a lock-in treatment if they are being abused without guaranteeing they can be removed and protected from retaliation for admitting to it is stupid. Who is going to invite more abuse?

So yeah, we got four OBVIOUS CASES here, and a bunch of brainwashed little kids. Spiffy!

No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the sources of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
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[Anonymous]

can we draw the conclusion that four signs were viewed by the naked eye? or just by conversation?

either way IT WAS OBVIOUS?

and still no charges?

what will it take to "wake" the program supporters up?

[Anonymous]

This is truly hilarious!

You all should be happy that the Mexican government is corrupt enough to just close down teen programs and stop speculating on why.  It won't be abuse, it's political, plain and simple,  or is that too much for you to grasp?  Simple??  Simply put, this was a dangerous thing for them to do and with the help of San Diego police and hundreds of parent volunteers, the kids are safe in another school now.  No injuries, no runaways, nothing to feed your fire.

[Anonymous]

drop the kid off or have them kidnapped.

write check for admin fees.

write check for first month?s installment.

sit back, go on vacation, and carry on a "normal" life with the "jones".

let someone else watch & raise YOUR child during the teen years.  so much for YOUR values.


what happens "if" they don't turn out like you expected?

what happens when the oven doors fly open and YOU don't like the dish "they" baked for you?  Oops!  then maybe you'll cry malpractice on whom? "YOU"

why didn't you just drop the child off at year one?

why did you have children in the first place?  Or are YOU just the surrogate family kind of person?

signed,

happily raising children of my own.

[Antigen]

On 2004-09-14 17:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

let someone else watch & raise YOUR child during the teen years. so much for YOUR values.

Here's the nut of it, I think.

Troubled parent sees their kids bouncing off, exploring foriegn cultures (anything outside of what the parents were expecting) and taking risks in the course of growing up.

They're scared. They're sure that these outside influences are certain to destoy their weak, stupid, guileless kid.

Then some huckster comes along promising to end all that and set their kids on a certain path to enlightenment (= to agreement w/ the parent) and success (within the limits of whatever parenting magazines and Oprah have defined)

They buy it; hook, line and sinker; and turn the kid over to people far more violent and controling than any influence the kid might be entertaining (but not necessarily accepting) who will actually force the kid (rather than just attempt to entice them) to accept their world view and philosophy.

Because the package comes wrapped in advertising for conformity rather than one of rebellion, the insecure parent buys it. But the only difference to the kid is that, instead of being able to walk away and make what they will of the expeirience, they're captive in a very litteral and physical sense till they accept this other foreign philosophy.

Prents, your kids are not dumb. The Program teaches them by example that you're a chump to be patronized. The dope dealer on the corner doesn't have that kind of power over them simply because you don't buy in. That's the only significant difference.

You been chumped!

We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs

[BuzzKill]

This would be a good post Ginger, if not for this:
//They're scared. They're sure that these outside influences are certain to destoy their weak, stupid, guileless kid//
You've minimized and belittle the parents very legitimate concerns. Many are shocked at the stupid things their very bright kids do once the drugs get ahold of them. There are exceptions, But the situation for most of these families really is pretty desperate and really is an attempt to throw a life saver to a drowning kid.
These parents will read your post and simply think  - but my gosh, I HAD to do Something! Anything is better/safer than that!
And they have been told how all the accounts of abuse are bull by lots of people who seem very sure about it.
This is why its important not to belittle the situation. This confirms in their mind you don't know what the hell your talking about.
Now, I know you do. I know your right in the overall message - the program; what it does and how it works. But if this was "back when" that one sentence might have closed my mind to anything else you wrote. Because my kid was in trouble. He is still in trouble. But he's 19 now; not 16. And that makes a big difference as far as my role in the picture.
When your minor kid is in trouble; you as the parent are Responsible to step up to the plate and do what it takes to help them. In the case of these kids - when nothing at home works - the only option left is a program of some kind.
The problem as I see it, is that programs of "this" kind can exist and prosper. The parents are lied to in very significant ways. They are brainwashed with out their consent and seldom come to realize it. Their kids are brutalized and brainwashed without their knowledge or understanding. It is a crime. It should put the perps in prison. We need to work toward that. To do so, we need to wake up more parents - not send them running back to the comfort of trusting the program. And so again I say:
This is why its important not to belittle the situation. This confirms in their mind you don't know what the hell your talking about.[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-09-15 00:05 ]

[Anonymous]

my kid dropped out of high school   was totally direspectful  was doing drugs and dealing can it be worse at the wasp program  get real this is the best place for a teen that is out of control

[Anonymous]

you talk a great game but can you prove any of the bullshit you just wrote

[Anonymous]

i think all yall fulla shit its funny how yall spend all this fuckin time on analyzing every single little mothafuckin thing.  god damn get tha fuck up off ur fat asses and do somethin wit ur lives u stupid ass niggas.

[Antigen]

No, you're wrong Buzzkill. Parents are terrified, to be sure. So horribly frightened that they're ready to believe that anything, including physical abuse, sexual humiliation and outragehous psychological abuses must be better than whatever the kid is getting into on their own.

The truth is that kids are not stupid. They learn from their mistakes and observations, usually a lot more readily than adults. The difference between being "stuck" in a bad life situation like dope dealing and being stuck in a program is that you can walk away from the one whenever you're ready can't escape the other.

I know what I'm talking about. I've played all roles in this shabby production, up to and including early staff training.

To say the drug war is a failure is like saying the Hindenburg was short a few fire extinguishers.
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

[Anonymous]

If you need proof then talk to all past and present staff members. Jason and Jake Finlinson are not only abuseing the children but also the staff. Not physical but mentally. They are told to treat the kids like dirt or it's their job, and if you know this area there are no jobs around here so you do what you have to do to keep your job. These guys are like illegal hunters they take ALL KIDS whether they need discipline or not. just like a illegal hunters taking an animal whether it's the season or not. A girl w/ a dislocated shoulder was laughed at and told to stop whining. Not even tylinol was given. do you want that for your child? I say shut down the "RIDGE" just like "CASA".   :flame:

[Anonymous]

I know that Academy at Ivy Ridge does not screen their employees because i'm one of them.There is also at least three other people with criminal records like myself that never got checked out. I still can't believe that they charge a fee for a back ground check. They take your money and pocket it. It's not so much the money it's the fact they don't check. If they did i would have lost my job long before this. They also hire idiots to be "FAMILY REPS". Hell these people don't even have as much as a "GED" let alone a high school diploma. As a matter of fact one of their own "therapists" was fired from a local hospital for sexual child abuse. So you tell me they screen these people. Wake up these cults have to stop and so does the Finilsons'.          Signed         P.O.W.   (prisoner of work)