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Asperger's Officially Placed Inside Autism Spectrum
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2010, 12:31:58 PM »
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Asperger's Officially Placed Inside Autism Spectrum
by Jon Hamilton
February 10, 2010



Many people with Asperger's take pride in a diagnosis that is thought to describe many important historical figures, including Albert Einstein (pictured above) and Isaac Newton. AP

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    Asperger's syndrome is really just a form of autism and does not merit a separate diagnosis, according to a panel of researchers assembled by the American Psychiatric Association.

    Even though many researchers already refer to Asperger's as high-functioning autism, it hasn't been listed under the autism category in the official diagnostic guide of mental disorders, called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, or DSM. The DSM serves as a guide for mental health professionals and government agencies.

    But a new draft fifth edition released Wednesday moves Asperger's officially into the autism category, provoking a wide range of responses among people with Asperger's — some of whom say they do not want to be labeled as autistic.

    Redefining A Disorder

    Instead of including a diagnostic category for Asperger's, the DSM 5 draft includes traits associated with Asperger's, such as difficulty with social interactions and limited, repetitive behaviors, in a broad category called autism spectrum disorder.

    "The intent is to try to make the diagnosis of autism clearer and to better reflect the science," says Catherine Lord, director of the University of Michigan Autism and Communication Disorders Center. Lord is part of the group that decided to consolidate autism-related categories, including Asperger's.

    But the change is going to be hard for some people with Asperger's, says Michael John Carley, executive director of the Global and Regional Asperger Syndrome Partnership in New York and author of Asperger's From the Inside Out. "I personally am probably going to have a very hard time calling myself autistic," says Carley, who was diagnosed with Asperger's years ago.

    Many people with Asperger's take pride in a diagnosis that probably describes some major historical figures, including Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison, Carley says. Under the new system, those people would represent just one extreme of a spectrum. On the other extreme is "somebody who might have to wear adult diapers and maybe a head-restraining device. This is very hard for us to swallow," he says.

    Yet Carley says he agrees with the decision to fold Asperger's into the autism spectrum disorder diagnosis.

    Blurred Lines From The Start

    Since 1994, when the fourth edition of the DSM added the Asperger's category, health care professionals have struggled to find a way to separate Asperger's from autism, Carley says. "Every time they've tried to draw that line it's been proven false in practice," he says.

    Right now, the diagnosis often hinges on a person's language skills. But that's pretty subjective and can change as a child grows up, researchers say. "The categories are just not used by clinicians in a reliable fashion," Lord says. A single category for autism spectrum disorder will let clinicians stop agonizing over which diagnostic category to put someone in and focus on their specific difficulties with communication, or social interaction, or information processing, he says.

    The change makes a lot of sense, says Roy Richard Grinker, an anthropologist at George Washington University who has studied autism in various cultures. He is also the author of Unstrange Minds, a book about his daughter, who has autism. "As somebody who has a child with a diagnosis of autism, I want to be able to turn to the official criteria and see a description that sounds like my child," Grinker says. "Right now my child sounds like three or four different disorders."

    When his daughter was 4, she met the criteria for classic autism, Grinker says. Now that she's in high school, she would probably be considered Asperger's or maybe just a quirky kid, he says.

    Eliminating the Asperger's diagnosis won't mean that people in that category will lose access to services, Grinker says. That's because "almost anybody with an Asperger's diagnosis also could qualify for what is called autistic disorder," he says, adding that the change could make it easier for some parents to get help for a child with Asperger's.

    Right now, states including California provide services to children with autism but not those with Asperger's, Grinker says. "So removing Asperger's really removes what is a false barrier to parents getting care for their kids."


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    Undiagnosed Asperger's Leads To 'Life As An Outsider'
    « Reply #31 on: March 04, 2010, 10:32:48 AM »
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    Undiagnosed Asperger's Leads To 'Life As An Outsider'
    October 13, 2009


    Parallel Play: Growing Up with Undiagnosed Asperger's
    By Tim Page
    Hardcover, 208 pages · Doubleday
    List price: $26


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      For most of his life, music critic Tim Page felt like an outsider. Restless and isolated, he was overstimulated and uneasy around others. Finally, when he was 45, Page was diagnosed with Asperger's, a syndrome that falls within the autism spectrum.

      As Page explains in the prologue of his new memoir, Parallel Play: Life As An Outsider, the diagnosis came as a relief: "Here, finally, was an objective explanation for some of my strengths and weaknesses," he writes.

      People with Asperger's often struggle to interact with groups and understand social norms. Page describes himself growing up as a "very lost little kid" who acted out in school by making faces at teachers and being aggressive with the other students. His ability to connect to others didn't improve with age.

      "I can remember all sorts of trivia, but I don't notice what somebody has on," Page tells Terry Gross. "I guess it's sort of like your absent-minded professor times five, if that makes any sense."

      Music — particularly the repeating patterns of melody — provided him with a refuge from an early age. He remembers listening to his mother's record collection and experiencing a "passage into a world where everything made sense."

      He compares listening to music to watching clouds change slowly over the course of an afternoon. "I love process. I love patterns. I love seeing things just change slightly but also still catching you up in the whole process, and that's something that I remember from being very, very young, and I love the fact that there are some wonderful musicians who are exploring that now."

      "It was always very easy for me to talk about music," he adds.

      Page went on to become a music critic at The New York Times and Newsday. He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1997 for his work as the chief classical music critic at The Washington Post.

      As for his diagnosis with Asperger's, Page says it has helped him accept the parts of his nature that are "not very changeable." Wearing eyeglasses, for instance, makes him feel like he is "being intimate with everybody on the street." As a result, he rarely wears them now — even though he received his first prescription for glasses when he was in kindergarten.


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      Re: Undiagnosed Asperger's Leads To 'Life As An Outsider'
      « Reply #32 on: March 06, 2010, 12:07:35 PM »
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      Music — particularly the repeating patterns of melody — provided him with a refuge from an early age. He remembers listening to his mother's record collection and experiencing a "passage into a world where everything made sense."

      He compares listening to music to watching clouds change slowly over the course of an afternoon. "I love process. I love patterns. I love seeing things just change slightly but also still catching you up in the whole process, and that's something that I remember from being very, very young, and I love the fact that there are some wonderful musicians who are exploring that now."

      "It was always very easy for me to talk about music," he adds.

      Page went on to become a music critic at The New York Times and Newsday. He was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 1997 for his work as the chief classical music critic at The Washington Post.
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      Re: aspergers?
      « Reply #33 on: March 08, 2010, 02:11:51 PM »
      I'm surprised, reading this thread, that there has not been a discussion of Asperger's in relation to residential programs for teens. The diagnosis of Asperger's is, in my experience, being used as a catch-all to keep kids in residential programs.

      The symptoms of Asperger's often overlap with other conditions (like ADHD), with medication side effects (like poor motor skills), and with other normal human behaviors (like being shy). This leads to both underdiagnosis and overdiagnosis. Symptoms are generally obvious by age 3. For many children, an accurate diagnosis is helpful; it means that school and home environments will be adapted to the child's needs so he or she can function better. An example would be a school allowing a child with Asperger's to ask for a "time out" in a quiet area when he or she feels overstimulated. The child is able to calm down and return to study when ready. The environment is adapted to the child rather than forcing the child to adapt to the environment.

      Different story altogether at programs, as you can guess. Programs are all about forcing the child to adapt to the environment.

      For my niece, the first whiff of an Asperger's diagnosis came after her wilderness program when the parents were being encouraged to send her--guess where?--to a therapeutic boarding school. Suddenly, we were told she was "not normal" and would have to go to a school where they could "accomodate her needs." The diagnosis was, and is, patently absurd. When she finally came home, I asked (gritting my teeth) why she did not seem to exhibit the symptoms of Asperger's. "Oh," they said, "they treated her for that at the boarding school. She's better now." As noted above, you don't treat Asperger's and you don't get cured of it. It does not magically go away.

      ALL her symptoms are readily explained by other conditions, medications, and events. Her parents (and other family members complicit in sending her away) repeatedly told me her diagnosis was based on her angry outbursts, and gee, for some reason. she continued to be angry for 3 years while they kept her incarcerated. Well, hey, I have a much simpler explanation for her anger: she's royally pissed at you!    

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      Re: aspergers?
      « Reply #34 on: March 08, 2010, 02:20:33 PM »
      I can't think of a WORSE place for a kid who truly has Asperger's than a program.
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      « Reply #35 on: March 08, 2010, 02:43:15 PM »
      Agreed.

      A dependable routine is a recommended approach to helping a child with autism or Asperger's (Autism Spectrum Disorder, ASD). Programs rip children out of their normal routine.

      I have learned, correct me if I'm wrong, that many programs, especially the CEDU-based programs (see Fornits Wiki here http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU), force children into "smushing," where kids are forced to hug or lie around on top of each other. See Liam Scheff's documentary clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw ... re=related. For kids with ASD, touching and physicality can be uncomfortable, unwelcome and/or totally traumatic.

      Another example of exactly what you say, Anne: programs are the worst possible environment for a child with Asperger's or autism!

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      « Reply #36 on: March 08, 2010, 03:10:39 PM »
      The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there.  Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.

      Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!



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      « Reply #37 on: March 08, 2010, 03:45:40 PM »
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      The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there.  Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.

      Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!

      Speak for yourself dickhead.    Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.
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      Re: aspergers?
      « Reply #38 on: March 08, 2010, 04:07:43 PM »
      Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
      Quote from: "Whooter"
      The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there.  Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.
      Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!
      Speak for yourself dickhead.    Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.
      Well, I had just composed a brief response to that who post, but I think Anne Bonney’s succinct reply says enough and says it well.
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      « Reply #39 on: March 08, 2010, 04:07:48 PM »
      Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
      Agreed.

      A dependable routine is a recommended approach to helping a child with autism or Asperger's (Autism Spectrum Disorder, ASD). Programs rip children out of their normal routine.

      I have learned, correct me if I'm wrong, that many programs, especially the CEDU-based programs (see Fornits Wiki here http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Category:CEDU), force children into "smushing," where kids are forced to hug or lie around on top of each other. See Liam Scheff's documentary clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Uzkg0mw ... re=related. For kids with ASD, touching and physicality can be uncomfortable, unwelcome and/or totally traumatic.

      Another example of exactly what you say, Anne: programs are the worst possible environment for a child with Asperger's or autism!

      Auntie Em
      There's also the impossible dynamic of the whole social interaction scene -- GROUP confrontation -- as well as difficulties with reading social cues, taking things too literally and at face value, etc... The therapeutic milieu allows for no alone-time to process, which these kids badly need. I'd say: mincemeat.
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      « Reply #40 on: March 08, 2010, 04:56:10 PM »
      I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.

      But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.

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      « Reply #41 on: March 08, 2010, 04:58:51 PM »
      Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
      Quote from: "Whooter"
      The way programs are structured today I couldn’t see kids with autism being treated successfully there.  Kids with Aspergers need a more individualized therapy and modeling from kids with well adjusted social skills, a much more softer approach than is presently offered.

      Wow, I cant believe this many of us agree !!!

      Speak for yourself dickhead.    Parents of kids with aspergers need to do their jobs instead of looking to outsource it to strangers.

      Anne, you are wrong once again.  (I love pointing this out to you)…….You should read up (outside of fornits) once in awhile.  Almost any professional that you speak with will tell you that early detection of Aspergers/autism is the key to helping these kids.  Virtually every community has early intervention and local services who are set up and trained to help.  I doubt that you could find many credible sources who would say that parents are equipped to raise an autistic child on their own without, as you call it, outsourcing to strangers.

      Do you deny taking your kids to the dentist because this would be outsourcing your parental duties? Have you failed as a parent? Buy them a toothbrush!!! LOL

      Our neighbor has a stranger come to their house 2 days a week to work with their autistic child.

      You are grossly uneducated (..and dont go blaming straight again).  Stick with the comedy, I enjoyed that.



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      Re: aspergers?
      « Reply #43 on: March 08, 2010, 05:25:01 PM »
      Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
      I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.

      But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.

      Auntie Em

      I know I keep pressing this issue but this is why it is important for all children to be screened by a third party prior to being placed into a program.  As far as Aspergers/Autistic programs I dont think the present programs are designed to handle these kids and they shouldnt be accepting them.  They require a different type of intervention therapy which specialize in these childrens needs.

      Its important that these children continue to get help but as far as I know there isnt much effective therapy beyond local services at this time.


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      « Reply #44 on: March 08, 2010, 06:02:00 PM »
      Quote from: "Whooter"
      Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
      I concur about difficulties with social interaction and programs being a lousy place for kids with ASD.

      But I want to be sure folks hear me on this one: Kids WITHOUT Asperger's are being sent to, and kept in, programs using this bogus diagnosis.

      Auntie Em
      I know I keep pressing this issue but this is why it is important for all children to be screened by a third party prior to being placed into a program.  As far as Aspergers/Autistic programs I dont think the present programs are designed to handle these kids and they shouldnt be accepting them.  They require a different type of intervention therapy which specialize in these childrens needs.

      Its important that these children continue to get help but as far as I know there isnt much effective therapy beyond local services at this time.
      Mmm... I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Aspen program Cedars Academy, Whooter, but then... they went out of business this past August, iirc.

      This Bridgeville, DE program offered a college preparatory boarding school and young adult transitional program experience for such students, specifically those who were diagnosed with Asperger's Disorder, Non-Verbal Learning Disorder (NVLD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD).

      I'm sure then executive director John Singleton's prior experience at New Leaf Academy of North Carolina stood him good stead when it came to the "much more softer approach" these kids seem to require!  :D


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