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« Reply #975 on: July 02, 2010, 12:31:36 AM »
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« Reply #976 on: July 05, 2010, 10:19:33 PM »
fArt, did the jewish hi yuh yuh indian at any time order you to fuck his back pussy whlie you were either a resident (excuse me, PRISONER) or staff member? I know it is the hi yuh yuh indians fantasy to have penis's, hamsters, or other small furry rodents to be inserted into his rear orffice aka his back pussy. Hear that Marty? You one queer hi yuh yuh yuh chanting, pan faced, mutha fucka fella!
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« Reply #977 on: July 06, 2010, 07:45:36 AM »
awwwwwww I go on vacation and had a wonderful fourth of July.....and still see little Farty Barty Arty is still MIA....omg thought he had so much to say. Thought he was here to address some issues...lmao lmao lmao finally the piss ant is silent. He just cannot seem to play to well with ppl here. Once again a woman gave him the spanking he deserved.....I bet he is spinning around screaming violently...spewing the word CUNT......good God the picture is priceless....finally he is gone....we should hold a special event in this honor..... :seg:  :cheers:  :jamin:  :rasta:  :hug:  :rocker:  :nods:  :shamrock:  :birthday:  :on phone:  :seg:  :sue:
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« Reply #978 on: July 06, 2010, 09:20:11 AM »
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Once again a woman gave him the spanking he deserved....
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« Reply #979 on: July 07, 2010, 12:52:38 AM »
hi art........long time no talk......missed you bud.......
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« Reply #980 on: July 07, 2010, 04:57:45 PM »
The reason why fArt has not posted is because he got so angry he smashed his computer in a rage! :rocker:  :rocker: Once again, he has been sucessfully run off this forum. See what a little of handing someone thier ass can do? :rasta:  :rasta:

Ok, onto the next troll...Who's next? Oh, and coward Marty Kruglik, who reads this forum from time to time but doesn;t have the balls to post. FUCK YOU!
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« Reply #981 on: July 07, 2010, 07:36:15 PM »
Yo you still have those audio files of the "reporter" Calling Elan?
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« Reply #982 on: July 12, 2010, 09:43:54 AM »
Quote from: "The Elan Reporter"
The reason why fArt has not posted is because he got so angry he smashed his computer in a rage! :rocker:  :rocker: Once again, he has been sucessfully run off this forum. See what a little of handing someone thier ass can do? :rasta:  :rasta:

Ok, onto the next troll...Who's next? Oh, and coward Marty Kruglik, who reads this forum from time to time but doesn;t have the balls to post. FUCK YOU!



 :cheers:  :rocker: Hey folks just got back in town last night, went to the vacation house in Northern  Wisconsin I did not want to come back to the grind, but that's the hand I am dealt. I Finally got two of my rentals rented, it's been close to impossible to find a tenant with good credit and pay history. This economy has really taken some good paying people and turned them around.

It is sad to see folks that have always tried to do the right thing,  get it jammed in their asses with this job situation and lack of growth in investments. I think that's  why people run away and hide in the woods. Up north we have a place in a small area and not much goes on. The house is over 2.000 sq feet 10 years old and air conditioned with a fireplace on a couple acres of wooded land.Taxes are $1700.00 a year ins is $400.00 a year. Here at home everything is triple except ins, up north there are no Jones, everyone is just having fun living their life's , very little stress.

I cant wait till I can retire to that life style, providing every day stresses don't kill me before that, lol  :roflmao:
One stress that is gone is Farty and his parade of bull-shit, there aren't very many Farty types up north , but then most of the folks are gun owners, :roflmao:

[Pan Face] is and excellent target, we need someone just coming out of Elan to talk , and bring everyone up to speed on [ Pan Face ] I can tell you he lives in Gray, Maine now, he also lived in Spring Tx, Dallas Tx.and Richard Tx ,S. Portland, Salem Mass, and Poland Springs. I think his wife's ? name is Deb, and Pan Face is about 56 now. I didn't know Pan Face liked girls,
I thought he shopped in the young boy's dept, :roflmao:  :roflmao: . But that I think is the way to [Pan Face ] , he has hidden himself quite well as Joe did for him in the beginning. Some say he went to Elan after a molestation charge with a young boy, in New Hampshire." I do not know this to be fact but it is rumored " It would be nice to know the truth because the rumor makes scene and explains some of his actions. I know in the 70's when I was their he was a sick kiss ass fuck. he ran behind Joe like his bitch.

I would vote Pan face and Mc Cann as the two biggest ass-holes when I was there, Gottlieb was there following but not often leading.same with Eddy Friedman and Dave Elder. Wendy Fraerman just kind of blended in and so did Niel Saxner .
Pan Face was always the instigator of trouble,and trama,he would seek out ways just to fuck with people,but you all know this.

I just think some fresh input into Pan Face would be helpful, us old timers I dont think are believed when we tell our tales of horror. But then we saw and lived threw some pretty crazy times, it was Elan in it's birth stages.
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« Reply #983 on: July 12, 2010, 10:21:55 AM »
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Elan was hell until the State of Illinois came to our rescue. I was young and full of adventure and took full advantage of my 15 min of fame. I bolted and stole a car in Gray and got chased in Portland. etc I went on a rampage of disobedience,and wild times. they finally sent me to Parsonsfield, but they were not going to put me in the ring or any real crazy GM's, with big brother watching over us from ill. So it was indeed time to fuck with their system.Myself and a guy named Juan Vasquez,were finally returned as part of the settlement between Elan and IL. But let me tell you watching that place kind from the outside,as I was. It was beyond crazy and brutal, I cant say I have ever seen such outward and direct abuse.

They did everything but frontal lobotomy's  and who knows maybe they did somewhere else in the woods of Maine. they did have the drug line for some of the kids and adults. I saw folks from 11 years old to 28 in the program, I never really understood that part.

We were all just lofted in together like a commune or a cult, with Joe Ricci as the David Keresh or Jim Jones of the group.
They prayed on the weak to make them examples, and humiliate them in front of others. I just couldn't  get a grip on what their thinking or lack of was ? It was one of those bad dreams that wouldn't end for most, and the Pan Faces thrived on it.

I was very happy to come home to Ill after a year and a half there, I never believed what I saw until I heard others speak about it many  years later. And I still am shocked, I thought maybe my mined exaggerated the memories and I found it didn't. :cheers:  :cheers:
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« Reply #984 on: July 12, 2010, 10:32:28 AM »
Is it true about the circle of dead grass for 500 ft around Joe Ricci's grave?
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« Reply #985 on: July 12, 2010, 11:05:21 AM »
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Is it true about the circle of dead grass for 500 ft around Joe Ricci's grave?


I have heard that but dont know were he is buried, or have ever seen an obituary for him, He was raised in Port Chester NY and died at Maine medical center. He lived on Black Strap rd in Falmouth Maine. I believe 425 was the address. I like the name of the street he lived on [ Black Strap ] how appropriate for a teacher of his sort. how about the phone number 207-998-4[666], I wonder how that worked out ??

Big Joe has quite a jaded past with arrest for DUI and drunken disorderly etc.
On Face Book under [ I Went to Elan School ] I posted quit a life history of Big Joe and the others at Elan, everything came from public records and news paper archives. Jeff Wimbledon on Face Book has used many of my post to enhance the reading on his blog. He is an excellent site builder, http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/ it's worth a look. This also is some great reading http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2 ... opic=12681
I spent quit some time and effort finding all the clips but it is good to know the history of the monster that chased us.
And also seeing how many others out there also went threw unnecessary hell like us at Elan. The folks at the former Straight Inc, Day Top, Benchmark and so many other places just like or close to Elan. I will say those folks from Straight play very well and rough. They exposed Mel Sembler and his crew right to the front doors of their homes. [ Literally] Google a Straights Survivors site one time and your eyes will open.
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« Reply #986 on: July 12, 2010, 11:20:28 AM »
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Google Mel Sembler he was an  U.S. Ambassador to some where and the Mall King, he owns some crazy amount of shopping malls all over the U.S. And seems to be one grand peace of Shit, But that's how these guys survive the politics they get involved, Joe ran for Gov owned  the very lucrative Race Track, talk about wolf in the hen house. So people didn't bother him and the ones that did got ran around and sued etc. Joes was an excellent evader, he bobbed and weaved like a prize fighter. But remember he never rested and always had to run and be a step ahead of his paranoia's and guilt. He lived in hell so he figured he would crate his own were he could cause the suffering to others to  buffer his. He was one sick mentally unstable man as written by many news papers and authors. And now he is in the hell with out control, We reap what we sew Big Joe. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:
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« Reply #987 on: July 12, 2010, 01:01:12 PM »
:fuckoff:  :karma:  Melvin Floyd Sembler  :fuckoff:  :karma:




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Melvin Floyd Sembler
United States Ambassador to Italy
In office
2001–2005
President    George W. Bush
Preceded by    Thomas M. Foglietta
Succeeded by    Ronald P. Spogli
United States Ambassador to Australia
In office
1989–1993
President    George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton
Preceded by    Laurence W. Lane
Succeeded by    Edward J. Perkins
Born    10 May 1930
St. Joseph, Missouri
Political party    Republican
Profession    Diplomat, businessman

Melvin Floyd Sembler (born May 10, 1930)[1] is former United States Ambassador to Italy (2001 - 2005), and former Ambassador to Australia and Nauru (1989-1993). He has also served as Chairman of the Board of the Sembler Company, which develops and manages shopping centers, and co-founder of Straight, Inc., a controversial drug-treatment center. Sembler has been personally accused of being responsible for the claims of serious physical and psychological abuse that went on in his centers. Currently, Sembler serves as chairman of the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Trust.[2]
Contents
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    * 1 Personal history
    * 2 Political fund raising career
    * 3 Financial career
    * 4 Diplomatic career
    * 5 Allegations of abuse at Straight, Inc.
    * 6 References
    * 7 External links

[edit] Personal history

Born in 1930 in St. Joseph, Missouri, Sembler is a 1952 graduate of Northwestern University, where he earned a Bachelor of Science degree.[3] He and his wife Betty have three sons, Steve, Brent, and Greg, and are the grandparents of eleven grandchildren.
[edit] Political fund raising career

Sembler has been a Republican fundraiser since 1979, raising a record $21.3 million at a single dinner in April 2000 [4]. During the 1988 Presidential campaign, Sembler served on the National Steering Committee and the National Finance Committee for the George H.W. Bush for President campaign. Additionally, he was Finance Co-Chairman for the state of Florida for the George Bush for President campaign, and played an instrumental part in raising funds for the Fund for America's Future. He served on President Reagan's White House Conference for a Drug-Free America and was an advisor on drug policy to President Bush and to Florida's former Governor Bob Martinez. He served as Co-chairman of the Republican National Committee's Team 100 and Finance Co-Chairman of the American Bicentennial Presidential Inaugural, and from 1993 to 1995 he was Finance Chairman of the Republican Party of Florida.

Sembler served as Finance Chairman for the Republican National Committee from 1997 to 2000. He also served as Florida's National Committeeman to the Republican National Committee from his election in 1994 until 2000. Prior to his appointment as Ambassador to Italy, Sembler was the Honorary Chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition and Chairman of the Drug Free America Foundation, and served on the boards of the Florida Governor's Mansion Foundation and the Florida Holocaust Museum. He is a resident member of the Florida Council of 100, a business advisory council to the Governor of Florida, and has been an active supporter of many other political, religious, and community activities. Sembler presently serves on the boards of the International Council of Shopping Centers, American Enterprise Institute, American-Australian Education Leadership Foundation, George Bush Presidential Library Foundation, Republican Jewish Coalition, and the Moffitt Cancer Center.
[edit] Financial career

Sembler has served on the Board of Directors of several banks, including the First Bank of Treasure Island, the National Bank, First Union Bank, and presently serves on the Board of Directors of American Momentum Bank. Collectively, he has served on the boards of those banks in excess of 14 years. He founded the Sembler Company, a shopping center development and management firm, and served as the spokesman for the shopping career industry as the 1986-1987 President of the International Council of Shopping Center, where he served for 25 years.
[edit] Diplomatic career

In February 1989, President George H.W. Bush appointed Sembler United States Ambassador to Australia and Nauru, where he served for three and a half years. During his tenure as Ambassador, taking a particular interest in encouraging the export to Australia of U.S. goods and services. At the recommendation of the Governor-General of Australia and with the approval of Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, Sembler was named an Honorary Officer in the Order of Australia at an investiture ceremony in October 2000, recognising achievement or meritorious service to Australia or humanity at large. Also in 2000, Governor Jeb Bush named "Betty Sembler" day in honor of Mel Sembler's wife for her work in fighting drugs.

Sembler was appointed U.S. Ambassador to Italy by President George W. Bush, being sworn in on 16 November 2001. In February 2005 Sembler had an annex to the US Embassy in Rome named after him (the Mel Sembler Building), an honour never before bestowed on a sitting diplomat, and made possible due to an amendment by Congressman Bill Young to an appropriations bill.[5]

President George W. Bush appointed Sembler to serve on the Honorary Delegation to accompany him to Jerusalem for the celebration of the 60th anniversary of the State of Israel in May 2008.[6]
[edit] Allegations of abuse at Straight, Inc.

In 1976 Sembler and his wife founded Straight, Inc., an adolescent drug treatment program which has treated more than 12,000 addicts. The program is said to have resembled The Seed, an earlier program suspended by the U.S. Senate for its treatment of patients.

Straight Inc. also became embattled in allegations of abuse, ranging from sleep deprivation, starvation, over exercise, beatings, denial of basic health needs, sexual assault, deprivation of liberty and speech and psychological torture.[7][8]. One publicised case was that of Samantha Monroe, who claimed she endured beatings, rape, forced hunger and was locked in a janitor's closet in pants containing her excrement. She claims her mother was told her daughter was a liar.[4]

After these claims, the United States Senate revoked the license of STRAIGHT, Inc. in 1993, citing that the government should not be financing "cruel and inhuman behavior modification." It has been suggested prior funding was provided under pressure from Sembler and state senators [9] Sembler's Drug Free America Foundation continues to campaign for hard-line drug policy. Former Governor Jeb Bush of Florida, the brother of President George W. Bush, Former DEA Administrator Karen Tandy, and Congressman Dan Lungren of California are on the advisory board.[10]
[edit] References

   1. ^ EXECUTIVE CALENDAR (Senate - October 07, 1989)
   2. ^ Mel Sembler and the Advisory Committee, "Message from the Chairman", March 6, 2007, accessed 7 March 2007.
   3. ^ US Senate, Sembler, Melvin, accessed 21 July 2009
   4. ^ a b "Ambassador de Sade"
   5. ^ "Narcissus Is Now Greek AND Roman", Washington Post, March 4 2005
   6. ^ http://www.nysun.com/foreign/bush-visit ... ert/76303/
   7. ^ Several dozen former STRAIGHT inmates call talk radio show or write on blog to detail serious beatings, torture, and other physical abuse they say happened at Mel Sembler's drug centers, Archive 1, Mark Levine's Inside Scoop on Washington, November 10 2005
   8. ^ Several dozen former STRAIGHT inmates call talk radio show or write on blog to detail serious beatings, torture, and other physical abuse they say happened at Mel Sembler's drug centers, Archive 2, Mark Levine's Inside Scoop on Washington, November 13 2005
   9. ^ Audit Says Straight Inc. Got Breaks, St. Petersburg Times, July 8, 1993
  10. ^ "Drug Free Foundation, Inc."

[edit] External links

    * United States Department of State profile
    * Sembler Company bio of Mel Sembler
    * Allegations of Abuse at Straight Inc

Diplomatic posts
Preceded by
Laurence W. Lane    United States Ambassador to Australia
1989–1993    Succeeded by
Edward J. Perkins
Preceded by
Thomas M. Foglietta    United States Ambassador to Italy
2001–2005    Succeeded by
Ronald P. Spogli
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« Reply #988 on: July 12, 2010, 05:40:32 PM »
:cheers: That's Big Joes House On Black strap in Falmouth Maine,  I think the Back Widow still lives there. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... -w&split=0

If you pan to the right and go down it the house with the pool in back and the circle drive 328 blackstrap

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« Reply #989 on: July 14, 2010, 10:52:49 AM »
Joseph Ricci's Career And Controversy

                                                                          By Dwight F. Blint - The Hartford Courant



POLAND, Maine - Joseph Ricci is no stranger to the spotlight.

In fact, Ricci, a likely defense witness for Michael Skakel, likes it.

The co-founder of Elan School, a private boarding school for troubled teens, Ricci stands ready to rebut allegations that Skakel, while attending Elan from 1978-80, confessed to the 1975 killing of Martha Moxley.

Ricci, who has also made headlines as owner of the Scarborough Downs harness racetrack, seems to be a magnet for controversy.

Ricci, 52, was raised by his grandparents after his father ran out on his then-pregnant mother. He describes himself as a poor kid from Port Chester, N.Y., who never went to college.

It is his poor upbringing and time spent in state custody that prompts him to rebel against authority, Ricci said.

``I'm not the establishment's favorite person,'' Ricci said. ``In my lifetime, I've sued everybody.''

A former heroin addict, Ricci first garnered public attention in 1970 after moving to Maine and opening Elan, where adolescents with behavorial and substance-abuse problems could get treatment and education.

Ricci said he got the idea when young people he had worked with in drug-treatment facilities in Massachusetts and Connecticut would graduate from the programs but be unable to find jobs.

``We're the only therapeutic community in the United States with a full-blown high school,'' Ricci said.

The school, which now charges tuition of roughly $40,000 a year, used controversial peer-counseling methods that Ricci learned at other facilities. Practices included students yelling at each other, wearing signs, being forced to clean and boxing matches to work out differences.

Although Ricci was rough on his students, he said he wanted to make sure everyone else gave them a fair shake.

One of his first acts after opening Elan, Ricci said, was to sue the Maine Principals Association. He said the high school league tried to block African-American players from participating on his school's teams.

``They thought every one of them was a ringer,'' Ricci said.

But Ricci also has found himself on the defensive.

In 1975, the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services investigated allegations of abuse at the school. A number of other states, including Connecticut, followed suit.

There is no record that the charges were substantiated, but the state of Illinois stopped sending students to Elan. Ricci went on a public relations blitz emphasizing that some of those students had sued the state to be returned to Elan.

In 1996, Ricci lost a sexual-harassment lawsuit filed by a female employee.

Ricci's success with the school allowed him in 1979 to purchase Scarborough Downs. Since that time, he has waged a public battle with Maine gaming officials and Gov. Angus King over what he calls their practice of clamping down on private gambling while promoting state-sponsored lottery games.

But it wasn't until 1986, when Ricci made the first of two bids for the Democratic gubernatorial nomination, that his name became a prominent part of Maine's landscape.

His reputation grew the following year when a federal jury determined that Key Bank had cut off Ricci's credit in 1982 based on false reports that linked him to organized crime. Ricci was awarded $15 million.

Ricci, who felt that his Italian heritage was being maligned, later settled out-of-court after the bank threatened to appeal the jury award.

Most recently, Ricci has been tangling with the U.S. Postal Service. Ricci sued the agency, accusing it of engaging in a sweetheart deal with Julian R. Coles, chairman of the Maine Turnpike Authority. Ricci, who wanted a new mail distribution center located on his property, believes that federal officials worked a backroom deal to put the center on a site near property owned by Coles.

The suit also alleges that a local mail service manager implied Ricci had links to organized crime.

``I'm tired of being called a killer,'' Ricci said.

But Ricci's life is not just about taking on the big guys. He is considered as generous as he is tenacious, an animal lover who gives to charity and a man strongly supported by working-class voters in the state
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