I`ve been reading for a while as well without making any posts and I too see a few individuals who seem determined to get their points acrossed using all to familiar tactics. I didn`t find it totally effective then either. I don`t know if I should say this but, I`m almost positive I know who at least one of these persons are and SHE should know better! I have to be honest about this. I`ve been out for years, and at first I did spend alot of time bitter etc.But I have to say that this way of living is a dead end street.I had a counseler that only wanted to show sympathy for my "traumatic abuse" and yeah at first i guess it was helpful, but it just seemed to be endless like I would be constantly in some type of recovery or something from this. Needless to say it became difficult for me to tell the truth from the false, I was really, really confused. I had to do something, so being a legitamate alcoholic I started to really get into the manual for soberiety, the "big book" and some of the other AA history books and started to educate myself through old timers that really seemed to be working the steps(thats the 12 not 8 that we were taught).Basically I made a dicision I was going to take from my years at KIDS whatever I could use, whatever remotely resembled what I`ve read in the BOOK or better yet the BIBLE, the rest I will discard.Now my abuse at KIDS was worse than some but not as bad as others, somewhere in the middle I guess, But it was bad enough, But I just couldn`t stand the direction that I was being lead.So although I don`t at all support any mean comments to one another, I do have to agree with the content of some of the posts.My experience has helped me to see a way that really works.If this site really wanted to be a"good thing" it should provide a SOLUTION, one of hope and love and growth and change. I don`t think that anger and love can exist in the same space, and granted I had to get rid of the anger first, but I don`t see a message of hope here for those people who are suffering.I just see, for the most part, people who are STILL so angry keeping others angry.There isn`t much growth in that for ME! Maybe the hostile posters can not be so impatient, huh? after all that isn`t love. And maybe the rest of us can open our minds up to read between the lines of some of these posts.I was told "don`t shoot the messenger, because of the way it is presented" Sorry for talking so long, I really don`t have any personal OPINIONS but I do have a little bit of EXPERIENCE on both sides of the fence, and there is no way I would waste any more time with the hate. One more thing, I promise, I don`t want to try to appear like I`m special or something or better than anyone hear, If thats how I sound I`m so sorry, that isn`t how I feel at all. I just want to say I`m average at best and if practicing Gods love has worked for me, I know it will work for you too! GOd bless all!