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Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
« on: December 14, 2009, 04:41:36 PM »
It appears that Cross Creek is getting smaller and smaller.
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Re: Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 04:47:00 PM »
Supposedly they have 80-90 total kids, compared to the 500 three to four years ago.
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Re: Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 04:59:06 PM »
Meaning Cross Creek is down from 500 and currently has 80-90.
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Thane Palmer
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 10:01:17 PM »
The ZoomInfo cached version of the Cross Creek therapist bio page appears to have been supplanted with the current one, as he is no longer on it. However, there is still a (possibly truncated) paragraph and pic on Palmer's main ZoomInfo page:

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Thane Palmer



Employment History

    Clinical Member
      American Association of Marriage
    Clinical Member
      Family Therapy
    Therapist
      Cross Creek Programs LLC
    [/list]
    Board Memberships and Affiliations
      licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (past)
    Certifications
      No certification information is available.
    Education

      M.S. degree
        Utah State University
      B.S degree, Family Science
        Brigham Young University
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      Therapists - [Cached Version]
      Published on: 7/5/2009    Last Visited: 7/5/2009  

      Thane Palmer
      ...
      Thane Palmer
      ...
      Thane has a B.S degree in Family Science from Brigham Young University and an M.S. degree from Utah State University in Family and Human Development with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy. Thane is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the State of Utah and also a Clinical Member of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. Thane has been working at Cross Creek for over 10 years. Thane is married and has 8 children. Thane and his wife have also been foster parents for seven years and had many teenagers come through their home. Thane is active in the community as a volunteer coach and Boy Scout Leader. Thane also actively plays sports, mostly rugby and basketball, and loves the outdoors.
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      Thane Palmer - 'At The Crossroads'
      « Reply #4 on: December 15, 2009, 12:15:11 AM »
      I wasn't able to find Thane Palmer amongst the brief bios noted on Liahona Academy's website.

      I was, however, able to find Palmer at At The Crossroads, which allegedly "helps struggling young adults (ages 18-25) become successful by teaching the values and skilled necessary to live independently in the real world."

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      Thane Palmer, Clinical Therapist



      Thane has a B.S. degree in Family Science from Brigham Young University and a M.S. degree from Utah State University in Family and Human Development with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy. Thane is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the State of Utah and also a Clinical Member of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapy. Thane has been working with adolescents and young adults for over 12 years and has broad experience in working with addiction issues, family and relationship problems, and other mental health issues. Thane is married and has 8 children.  Thane is active in the community as a volunteer coach and Boy Scout Leader. Thane also actively plays sports, mostly rugby and basketball, and loves the outdoors.
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      Re: Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
      « Reply #5 on: December 15, 2009, 03:19:08 AM »
      According to the recent (Dec. 09) Cross Creek newsletter, there are only 5 girls' groups and 3 boys' groups left. Much, much smaller than it used to be. Expect to see other staff members departing soon.
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      Re: Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
      « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2009, 10:45:24 AM »
      Quote from: "Yael (Eshet Khever ha'Kinii)"
      According to the recent (Dec. 09) Cross Creek newsletter, there are only 5 girls' groups and 3 boys' groups left. Much, much smaller than it used to be. Expect to see other staff members departing soon.
      Is Cross Creek being squeezed down to nothing? Or is WWASPS planning on an influx from one of their other programs ... that will soon be closed?
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      Norman Thibault
      « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2009, 10:49:57 AM »
      Here's a person who has had their fingers in all three pies mentioned thus far (in this thread): Norman Thibault. He was formerly a therapist at Cross Creek Academy, and is currently Clinical Director for At The Crossroads as well as a therapist at Liahona Academy. Thibault also has a private practice in the area.

      Here's his brief bio from At the Crossroads:

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      Norman E. Thibault, PhD, LMFT, Clinical Director



      Norman E. Thibault (pronounced T-bo), PhD, LMFT graduated with his BS in Family and Human Development (FHD) in 1994. He went directly into his Master's program in FHD and Marriage and Family Therapy and graduated in 1998. He completed his PhD in psychology in 2006. Norm owns a private practice in St. George, The Family Life Therapy Center. He has worked with literally hundreds of adolescents and young adults in different treatment programs for thirteen years and appreciates the opportunity to have an influence on the lives of young people.  He also serves as the President of the Utah Association for Marriage and Family Therapy and Lead Faculty/Clinical Director for the St. George Learning Center of the University of Phoenix Utah Campus.  He is married to the former Megan Anderson of Las Vegas, and they have three children.
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      Tough-Love Schools Are Both Loved, Hated
      « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 11:57:10 AM »
      All mention of Cross Creek seems to have been purged from Norman Thibault's on-line resumιs, so here's an old article which confirms that he was there:

        The schools try to "decrease the desirability of unhealthy choices" and "increase the desirability of healthy choices," said Norm Thibault, a therapist at Cross Creek Academy, a tough-love facility in Utah.[/list]

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        Tough-Love Schools Are Both Loved, Hated
        Saturday, June 11, 2005

        LAVERKIN, Utah. —  Some schools sprouting up around the United States that are designed to practice tough-love with troubled teens are causing some communities to think twice about bringing one to their town.

        The tough-love facilites, which aim to straighten out kids by teaching them how to be more responsible and make better decisions, can be a big help to parents.

        The schools try to "decrease the desirability of unhealthy choices" and "increase the desirability of healthy choices," said Norm Thibault, a therapist at Cross Creek Academy, a tough-love facility in Utah.

        "Here's a program where there's no swearing, no smoking, no alcohol, no drugs, no boy-and-girl interaction, go to school every day," said Cross Creek owner Karr Farnsworth.

        At about $50,000, they're not cheap — although Ken Kay, director of Utah-based Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools, or WWASPS, which maintains six tough-love facilities including Cross Creek, says the cost is well worth it.

        It's "barely the cost of a G35 Infinity — the cost of a new car," Kay says.

        But the controversial buzz among parents isn't over the price tag. The schools are strict, and students are not allowed outside the facility. They actually have to earn the privilege to see their parents.

        When Julia Burton's daughter was spiraling out of control with alcohol, drugs and promiscuity, she felt the only way to rescue her daughter was to commit her to Cross Creek Academy, a WWASPS residential treatment center in Utah.

        "I felt my only recourse was to give up my parental rights," Burton told FOX News.

        Although Burton, who had to wait five months to see her daughter, said the center has helped her daughter, not every parent is happy.

        Terry Cameron said her son, Layne, was abused at Tranquility Bay, a WWASPS center in Jamaica.

        Layne says he was duct-taped and forced to sleep with his hands behind his back and says he was abused for minor infractions; pepper spray was often used on him.

        ”They had both of my ankles and ... they dragged me across the floor and it split my chin and knocked my tooth," Layne said.

        The Camerons are among dozens of families planning a direct action lawsuit against WWASPS that includes allegations of fraud, assault and battery and false imprisonment. Kay said to be wary of abuse allegations, since they often come from troubled teens with a history of lying.

        Although Layne's experience with the facility was a nightmare, his mother believes the WWASPS programs may be a way for some teens to turn their lives around but she wants parents to think carefully before placing their children in a residential treatment center.

        "I totally blame myself," Cameron said.

        Experts agree that parents should weigh all their options for helping their troubled teens and not rush into a program in desperation.

        Many tough-love facilities appear to be the solution to all the problems the teens are facing. In fact, the schools sound so appealing, parents rarely realize that some programs may be trying to "take advantage of them when they're at their weakest moment," said Dr. Robert Johnson, a psychiatry and pediatrics professor at New Jersey Medical School.

        The mixed reviews of the tough-love programs have the attention of New York Attorney General Elliot Spitzer, who is investigating whether a WWASPS school in his state obtained the necessary academic accreditation legally.

        "I think it's more about being sure that the academic program is accredited properly and operating properly, and we are a hundred percent in favor of that," said WWASPS president Kay.

        But Spitzer is not the only person looking into WWASPS. Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., introduced federal legislation regarding oversight of residential treatment programs and wants the U.S. Justice Department to make unscheduled visits to WWASPS facilities.

        Despite the prospect of economic benefits, the town of Boonville, Mo., took note of the questions surrounding WWASPS schools and rejected a proposal by the organization's founder to open a school there.

        Families, politicians, doctors and government agencies are divided on whether WWASPS programs are successful and safe. But Johnson said the schools aren't even necessary.

        "The best place for your children to get better is at home, and that's always the case," he said.


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        New program run by Norm Thibault at the old Cross Creek building
        « Reply #9 on: November 18, 2014, 03:03:41 PM »
        After the incident where a employee felt the need to show naked photos of himself to students the latest version of Cross Creek programs closed.

        The building was put up for sale or lease.

        Now a new program has moved into the empty building.

        Among the persons involved is Norm Thibault.

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        Re: Thane Palmer therapist mft goes to Liahona Academy Utah
        « Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 04:32:02 PM »
        Gee, I wonder why his self-described biography doesn't mention any of the previous shitholes he worked at?
        ...Sergey Blashchishen, James Shirey, Faith Finley, Katherine Rice, Ashlie Bunch, Brendan Blum, Caleb Jensen, Alex Cullinane, Rocco Magliozzi, Elisa Santry, Dillon Peak, Natalynndria Slim, Lenny Ortega, Angellika Arndt, Joey Aletriz, Martin Anderson, James White, Christening Garcia, Kasey Warner, Shirley Arciszewski, Linda Harris, Travis Parker, Omega Leach, Denis Maltez, Kevin Christie, Karlye Newman, Richard DeMaar, Alexis Richie, Shanice Nibbs, Levi Snyder, Natasha Newman, Gracie James, Michael Owens, Carlton Thomas, Taylor Mangham, Carnez Boone, Benjamin Lolley, Jessica Bradford's unnamed baby, Anthony Parker, Dysheka Streeter, Corey Foster, Joseph Winters, Bruce Staeger, Kenneth Barkley, Khalil Todd, Alec Lansing, Cristian Cuellar-Gonzales, Janaia Barnhart, a DRA victim who never even showed up in the news, and yet another unnamed girl at Summit School...