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Offline Anonymous

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Industry Size: Background Info
« on: December 03, 2009, 07:56:24 PM »
I'm trying to find some figures on the size of this industry. I understand that "this industry" is kinda vague. I'm thinking number of schools espousing themselves as therapeutic or emotional growth boarding schools, number of kids in these schools. Or number of kids in for-profit residential treatment. Or the $$ value of the industry, that is, for-profit residential treatment for minors. This kind of stuff. Any and all leads welcome, ideally I'd like something sourced from a daily newspaper, or national magazine. The more recent the better.

Also, if anyone out there has Maia Szalavitz's book Help at Any Cost, I'd be interested in what big-picture numbers that puts forth.

Links to other fornits topics or posts also appreciated. Maybe this topic could serve as a clearing-house or go to thread?

Thanks.
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Re: Industry Size: Background Info
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 08:49:41 PM »
Fornits user Blombrowski may be another source for input regarding industry size. If you have a user name, ya might PM him to ask, just in case he doesn't spot this thread in the interim.

One of the problems is how does one define "the industry?" There are programs which rely more on coercion than physical restrictions as well as vice versa. There are programs which maintain they are not part of this industry (despite marketing themselves on Struggling Teens); these usually claim to actually be "regular boarding schools with some extra differences." Does one include pediatric psychiatric hospitals and, if so, which ones, since some are clearly more nefarious in their approach than others. Or maybe ya might want to include them all. You mentioned "for-profit residential treatment for minors," yet there are non-profits which, some would argue, are very much a part of this industry as well. Are there really key differences between for-profits and non-profits, when it comes to coercive excess? What about the therapeutic community programs set up in jails and juvenile detention centers? Some of those are run by local government, some are contracted out to for-profit organizations. And then there is the whole panoply of programs focused, more or less, within the religious spectrum...

...Blah, blah, blah. I take it you are writing a paper for school or similar?  :D
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Re: Industry Size: Background Info
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 09:19:09 PM »
complicated question, for the purpose of my research I have tried to include any congregate care program that likely holds at least one youth in their program under force (legal or otherwise), coercion, or coercive threat.  that means tbs, wilderness, rtc, hosptial, jj, group home, etc.  I have excluded temporary shelters, and transition age (18-21) foster care group homes.  the data set is far from complete, but can at least give you an idea of the scope.  certain states like ny and arizona are pretty much complete.  if you're looking for a data set on the "industry", tom croke has a pretty comprehensive data set on his site.  I think it would be educational to see which programs he includes and excludes.
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Re: Industry Size: Background Info
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2009, 06:13:42 AM »
Links, Blom?

I'm going to jump in here and say that if you include all the juvenile-justice facilities plus regular group homes (not including attendant-care facilities?), you'll have a rather large number. These state-administered places significantly outnumber anything that most Fornits members would classify as a program, in both the number of facilties and youth inside them.

I don't know where the hell you're going to get accurate numbers, though. Multiple names go to the same place. Programs don't update their numbers when they start losing kids by the truckload, and sometimes even when they close. A lot of it might be just flat make-believe. How the hell are you going to know?
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