I was an uncontrollable asshole

[Anonymous]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

[Anonymous]

Your son’s hate has its origins and these will not remedied by outsourcing the abuses… now that he’s grown enough for you to fear him.

[Whooter]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

It will never happen unless your son finishes the program and applies himself.  Fornits is loaded with kids who manipulated their way out of the program or never applied themselves.  This will turn your sons love into hate... just read here on fornits to get a taste..... Do posters here mostly take accountability for themselves or blame their parents and the program?

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

[Troll Control]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

Programs serve to destroy children.  They chip away at a kid's independence, turn them into group thinkers, take away their independence and kill their spirit.

[Whooter]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

It will never happen unless your son finishes the program and applies himself.  Fornits is loaded with kids who manipulated their way out of the program or never applied themselves.  This will turn your sons love into hate... just read here on fornits to get a taste..... Do posters here mostly take accountability for themselves or blame their parents and the program?

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

Great perspective! I agree with the analogy.

[Troll Control]

Sure you do.  You wrote it.  If your POV is so correct why are you the only one supporting it and why do you have to agree with your own posts 20 or 30 times in each thread?

You (the parent) were an uncontrollable asshole.  That's why you put your kids in programs.  And you chose two of the most notoriously abusive ones. Great job, dad.  Real good.

[Froderik]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

It will never happen unless your son finishes the program and applies himself.  Fornits is loaded with kids who manipulated their way out of the program or never applied themselves.  This will turn your sons love into hate... just read here on fornits to get a taste..... Do posters here mostly take accountability for themselves or blame their parents and the program?

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

Let's examine, for a minute, the meaning of "applied themselves" in this context, the context of coercive mind-control programs being discussed here.

[Whooter]

So, according to the OP, programs made Fornits members from antagonistic teenagers into vicious adults.

Thanks for warning us, OP. I thought a program could turn my son's hate into love. Now I know better.

It will never happen unless your son finishes the program and applies himself.  Fornits is loaded with kids who manipulated their way out of the program or never applied themselves.  This will turn your sons love into hate... just read here on fornits to get a taste..... Do posters here mostly take accountability for themselves or blame their parents and the program?

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

It has to be 99.995% blaming their parents and programs on fornits.  I dont recall any poster here even taking partial responsibility for their placement.  I think if these kids were honest and up front about thier placement then their stories inside the program would take on more credibility.  But if they are starting out with a lie then where does it end?  See what I mean?

[Froderik]

It has to be 99.995% blaming their parents and programs on fornits.  I dont recall any poster here even taking partial responsibility for their placement.  I think if these kids were honest and up front about thier placement then their stories inside the program would take on more credibility.  But if they are starting out with a lie then where does it end?  See what I mean?

I may have done some things that caused parental distress, but that doesn't make their choice (to resort to a program) a good one. This exchange is cyclical and pointless at best, try another one.

[Ursus]

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

Imagine what would happen if he took 40 courses ... of an antibiotic known to be harmful, if not fatal, for human physiology when taken in excess??!

[Ursus]

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

Btw...    It is not the son who "grows resistant to the cure" ...it is the bacterial population which may evolve to be resistant to the cure.

[Whooter]

Imagine what happens if your son took only 4 courses of a 10 day antibiotic.. he would grow resistant to the cure and end up sicker than when he started.

Imagine what would happen if he took 40 courses ... of an antibiotic known to be harmful, if not fatal, for human physiology when taken in excess??!

Good point,  I overlooked the other end, so if you take a kid out too soon it is harmful and if you leave them in there too long it is harmful.  I dont think programs should have kids in there for years on end.  If we look at the mean stay it is about 14 to 16 months... 2 years would be excessive.. a kid leaving after a few months would be harmful also.

[Troll Control]

Sure you do.  You wrote it.  If your POV is so correct why are you the only one supporting it and why do you have to agree with your own posts 20 or 30 times in each thread?

You (the parent) were an uncontrollable asshole.  That's why you put your kids in programs.  And you chose two of the most notoriously abusive ones. Great job, dad.  Real good.

I agree.  when will the PARENTS take responsibility for the lousy way they raised their kids.  For example, John Reuben of STICC.  He was such a bad parent that he "had" to put BOTH of his sons into abusive programs.  One ended up dead and he's still so narcissistic that he doesn't take ANY responsibility for his incredible abject failure as a dad.  How can parents like this expect their kids to be reponsible and accountable when all they ever taught their kids was to be irresposible, unaccountable and to blame others for their failures?  It makes no sense!

[Whooter]

Sure you do.  You wrote it.  If your POV is so correct why are you the only one supporting it and why do you have to agree with your own posts 20 or 30 times in each thread?

You (the parent) were an uncontrollable asshole.  That's why you put your kids in programs.  And you chose two of the most notoriously abusive ones. Great job, dad.  Real good.

I agree.  when will the PARENTS take responsibility for the lousy way they raised their kids.  For example, John Reuben of STICC.  He was such a bad parent that he "had" to put BOTH of his sons into abusive programs.  One ended up dead and he's still so narcissistic that he doesn't take ANY responsibility for his incredible abject failure as a dad.  How can parents like this expect their kids to be reponsible and accountable when all they ever taught their kids was to be irresposible, unaccountable and to blame others for their failures?  It makes no sense!

Well in all fairness the kid was on drugs which eventually killed him.  If anything the parent underreacted, maybe they pulled him too early.  The other kid he got in time and the program was able to straighten him out.

[Troll Control]

Sure you do.  You wrote it.  If your POV is so correct why are you the only one supporting it and why do you have to agree with your own posts 20 or 30 times in each thread?

You (the parent) were an uncontrollable asshole.  That's why you put your kids in programs.  And you chose two of the most notoriously abusive ones. Great job, dad.  Real good.

I agree.  when will the PARENTS take responsibility for the lousy way they raised their kids.  For example, John Reuben of STICC.  He was such a bad parent that he "had" to put BOTH of his sons into abusive programs.  One ended up dead and he's still so narcissistic that he doesn't take ANY responsibility for his incredible abject failure as a dad.  How can parents like this expect their kids to be reponsible and accountable when all they ever taught their kids was to be irresposible, unaccountable and to blame others for their failures?  It makes no sense!

Well in all fairness the kid was on drugs which eventually killed him.  If anything the parent underreacted, maybe they pulled him too early.  The other kid he got in time and the program was able to straighten him out.

No, you're mistaken.  Mike FINISHED TWO Aspen programs.  Neither treated his drug problem and both abused him.  That's why he killed himself with heroin after completing  two Aspen programs where he got no help.

And the other son is currently a drug user and failed out of college.

Not a very good record for John or Aspen or HLA.  They are all failures.