PURE Bullshit!

[Antigen]

Sorry, that is just such an unfortunate acronym. I can't resist.

It has recently come to my attention that there's a rumor making the rounds that Sue Scheff intends to sue me. For what, I'm not entirely sure as she's never given me the oportunity to refuse a reasonable request. She's never asked me to do anything, either politely or not. In fact she's never contacted me for any reason. It's not asif I'm all that hard to get ahold of.

I understand that the cause for action has to do with some folks' wish to expose the true identity of every anonymous poster and, possibly, to hold them civilly and/or criminally accountable for their words.

If this rumor is true, I would ask you to look before you leap. No, I'm not threatening a countersuit. Life's just too short to spend that much time triffling with litigious assholes if one can help it. But do ya'll really and truely want the whole world to know who called Carey a skank ho, for example? I don't know Carey all that well. Maybe she's not as averse to litigation as I am.

Careful what you wish for.

Every man has a property in his own person.
This nobody has any right to but himself.
The labor of his body and the work of his
 hands are properly his.


--John Locke

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[Carey]

You know Ginger, if what you heard is true, it is extremely intertaining.  I know everything I have shared on this board has been my very own real experience.  I have not called anyone a name, other than maybe saying "who's the stupid one."  But how many people on this board have called me names over and over again just because they have not had the ability to refute something I have said. People stoop to name calling when they can't think of anything more intelligent to say.

I hope Sue does not pull you into this, but I would not be surprised if she did.  She thinks its her right to tell people when and what they can talk about as well as with who with. She can sue me, I don't have dime.  As a matter of fact I am about to lose my house because of all that has taken place over the past year.  

What a joke!

[Anonymous]

There we go! The true source of Carey's anger.

You are having financial difficulties.That IS very stressful.

I challenge  you Carey to consider your problems may stem from your behavior instead of what others have done to you.

Malicious slander, defamation,posting private emails with the disclaimer on the bottom of the email, is a serious offense.

Think about your behavior .

[Carey]

Oh spank me :razz:

No disclaimers on the bottom of the emails I posted.  Go check (not on this site but on the original saved on your computer).  OOPS you must have forgotten them.

[Anonymous]

Carey.

I'm not referring to mine.I am referring to Sue's email you maliciously posted.

You don't bother me, you bore me.

Your non productivness is a waste of my time and energy.

You know very well confidentiality was/is a big issuse on the list .You ignore that fact repeatedly.You have deliberatly defamed PURE for yor own reasons. Not acceptable.

It appears you deliberatly antagonize others too.

You have so much more to offer.
What a waste of potential.

[Carey]

Christine, I was talking about all of the emails posted.  Not just yours!  You can look on yours, the ones posted on the listserv that were from Sue that is.  You will be able to see they do not have disclaimers on the bottom.

I don't bore you, I piss you off.  Big difference!  The sad thing is that I piss you off because of the accuracy of my input on the topics at hand!  I piss you off because I won't play the game your way!  I piss you off because you can't refute what I say! I piss you off because I don't buy into your BS!

If I am so crazy, or if what I say is so boring, why don't you just ignore me?  Because there is truth to what I say...and for some reason that really bothers you!

[Anonymous]

NO Carey you don't piss me off . You BORE me.
I find your behavior over the top.

Your adacity is rdiculous. "My BS "  Whatever!


Again I always felt you were capable of so much more.  In a positive direction oppose to destructive , malicious slander.

Malicious slander is not acceptable to me.

I was told you were working your havoc on this forum. I came to see for myself.

Its familiar. I know from past experience with you there is no reasoning.  Ho Hum boring.

[Anonymous]

Oh, so Sue Scheff is getting a toxic taste of her own medicine?  Funny, in a way!  Until she changes the tone of her website and the vendetta she has with WWASPS, what the hell does she expect? She's instigated at lot of what is happening to her "business" now.  What does it feel like Sue?  Not very good is it.  Look at yourself and what you are creating before you start going after those that have exposed your agenda.  You have a lot to lose  :rofl: and you created it.

[Anonymous]

I say go for it Antigen!  I would LOVE to see how many of the posters are one and the same or are associated with PURE - can you really see names from an IP address?  That would be funny to know, but I understand privacy...just a playful thought!  :razz:

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-03 18:31:00, Antigen wrote:

"Sorry, that is just such an unfortunate acronym. I can't resist.



It has recently come to my attention that there's a rumor making the rounds that Sue Scheff intends to sue me. For what, I'm not entirely sure as she's never given me the oportunity to refuse a reasonable request. She's never asked me to do anything, either politely or not. In fact she's never contacted me for any reason. It's not asif I'm all that hard to get ahold of.



I understand that the cause for action has to do with some folks' wish to expose the true identity of every anonymous poster and, possibly, to hold them civilly and/or criminally accountable for their words.



If this rumor is true, I would ask you to look before you leap. No, I'm not threatening a countersuit. Life's just too short to spend that much time triffling with litigious assholes if one can help it. But do ya'll really and truely want the whole world to know who called Carey a skank ho, for example? I don't know Carey all that well. Maybe she's not as averse to litigation as I am.



Careful what you wish for.

Every man has a property in his own person.

This nobody has any right to but himself.

The labor of his body and the work of his

 hands are properly his.





--John Locke

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

American drug war P.O.W.

   10/80 - 10/82

Straight South (Sarasota, FL)

Anonymity Anonymous"

Ginger, what ever happened with this?

 :cool:

[Anonymous]

God Bless Ginger for keeping the light on.

 :grin:

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-16 21:40:00, Anonymous wrote:



Ginger, what ever happened with this?

Oh, sorry. I suppose I should have followed up on this. Sue finally called and we talked awhile. As far as I know, she's not going to sue me. In the interest of letting sleeping dogs lie (at least the little yap dogs that are just annoying, not really dangerous) I won't go into detail about what she really wanted, which was NOT to expose all anon posters. But her request was reasonable and well within my ethical and legal boundaries to do. So I did it and, as far as I know, all's well on this count.

Thanks for keeping the lights on.

You're welcome and thanks. I'm trying very hard to demonstrate a very important thing here. Ya'll know that a lot of the web sites, forums and even mainstream media stories dealing with these programs have blinked out of existance, straight down the memory hole. Take a look at those that have not gone away. There's a difference.

If a company like Yahoo or MSN gets a threatening letter of demand, it's just not worth their time and trouble to verify the threat. Plus, they have huge assetts to protect and investors to consider and they're just not going to err on the side of free speech. My situation is different. I don't have a lot of assets to go after and I do have all the time in the world to well defend my cherished right to free speech.

My site isn't still up because I'm powerful or scary. My site is still up because I'm not very powerful or scary and because I know how this works. Just don't let them cow you down, folks! Go forth and put up web-sites all over the place. Print flyers and hand them out outside of TOUGHLOVE hategroup recruiting events. Don't slander anyone personally (i.e. if you're making a serious charge against an individual, make sure you can prove it). Not only will that help protect your own right to speak freely, it will also protect your credibility in future.

Freedom is that thing that you can't have unless you're willing to grant it to others. That's why I won't ban or censor people who disagree with my view of things. We are having an effect. Recruitement is down. Colon Powell will never, ever, ever again endorse something like Buffalo Soldiers Reenactors without carefully investigating who they are and what they do. And the public, in general, is growing more skeptical every day of this miracle cure for kids that piss off their parents.

After all, who wouldn't prefer Middle Earth, unless they've been corrupted by a Ring of Power?



http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins73.html' target='_new'>December 24, 2002

[Anonymous]

(i.e. if you're making a serious charge against an individual, make sure you can prove it). Not only will that help protect your own right to speak freely, it will also protect your credibility in future.

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Or if you make a serious charge against wwasp or any other program...make sure you can prove it.  That's why I believe nothing that I read unless I've seen the proof.  In m"opinion" the PURE site tells me that they are making money from narcissistic self serving agendas.

[Antigen]

There's a difference between making a direct and explicit accusation against an individual and giving general information about something.

If just one kid complained about just one place without any evidence, that wouldn't be credible. But that's not what's going on here. We have hundreds of people who've never met eachother making essentially the same complaints about schools run by the same people over the course of years and at various locations.

In response, these individuals affiliated with these schools always say "Did not! They're all liars!" How do you make yourself believe them?

It is criminal to steal a purse. It is daring to steal a fortune. It is a mark of greatness to steal a crown. The blame diminishes as the guilt increases

--Schiller (1759-1805)

[Anonymous]

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