Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG

[Whooter]

The Surgeon General's study has been posted here many times as well as the others. You were just discussing them the other day in the "Group therapy makes teens worse" thread.

Hmmm.... forgot about the one you were just talking about?  Didnt see that  study listed lol.


Residential Treatment Outcome-Study


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[Troll Control]

Oh yeah, you never heard of the Surgeon General's report, that is except when you were talking about it three years ago.

You didn't have any answer for it then either and were being called out as an "industry shill" back then, too.  You're a tired old troll, Whooter.  Your game is soooo lame.  What are you getting from Aspen, 5 cents a post?  Weak showing, as usual.

[Troll Control]

And I guess you "forgot" about these studies you were just discussing last week, too.

So, is it just a bad memory or is it that fiduciary interest in Aspen Education that drives you to behave this way?   :beat:   I wonder... :rofl:  :roflmao:

[Whooter]

And I guess you "forgot" about these studies you were just discussing last week, too.

So, is it just a bad memory or is it that fiduciary interest in Aspen Education that drives you to behave this way?   :beat:   I wonder... :rofl:  :roflmao:

If you click on your own link you will notice that I was indeed discussing these studies.  Like I said it is important to include as much information as possible when discussing the industry.  The info brought to the table should not be filtered either way and should include information representing both sides of the argument.

I hope this helps



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[Troll Control]

Yeah, you were discussing them alright.  But just before your last post you were denying they existed to try to derail the thread.  You're just a troll making a nickel a post.

[Whooter]

Yeah, you were discussing them alright.  But just before your last post you were denying they existed to try to derail the thread.  You're just a troll making a nickel a post.

lol, okay if it makes you happy lets get back to this study.  You can break open a new thread for the other studies.  Lets get back on track here:

We have come a long way.  A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research.  They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.

Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB).  From WIRB’s documents:

The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).

WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
 
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.

The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2

at the bottom of page 2 it states:

Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.


The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits doesn't think the study received oversight.



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[Troll Control]

Now we're back to repetitive spam trolling, a sure sign of an empty mind...

[Troll Control]

There appears to be continued confusion around the study conducted by Ellen Behrens. While she and other industry pundits claim it was an Independent Study, nothing could be further from the truth.

1999 Behrens Clinical Director for Youth care
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens

2002 Founded Canyon Research
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html

2003 - 2005 Behrens conducting surveys
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/pre ... 060817.htm
 
2004 Behrens doing Consulting for AEG
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 0626.shtml

2006 Behrens completes her survey results passed off as Independent Study
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5360.shtml
"We also tried to eliminate all students discharged from the programs before graduation because the clinical staff thought it was actually an inappropriate placement, or when they felt the program couldn't be helpful to the child. As a result, the operating assumption of the study is that the students included in the analyzed data were those who were appropriately placed."

http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5494.shtml
Comment: ....It would be helpful to know more about Dr. Behren’s research design and methodology. I presume she drew a random sample for the study; otherwise, the results cannot be generalized to the school/residential population at large.
Jerry W Clark
Dba Behavioral Services Ltd
Reno, NV

No Jerry, she didn't. Families from 9 Aspen programs participated in her "study". She and all her staff have links to Aspen programs.
http://www.natsap.org/Behrens.doc
viewtopic.php?p=215887#p215887

Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement:  Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.
http://www.natsap.org/Outcome%20Study.doc

2006 Behrens is a contributor to NATSAPs "Journal of Therapeutic Schools and Programs.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5456.shtml

ASPEN EDUCATION GROUP APPLAUDS STUDY
(April 26, 2007) According to an article on PRNewswire, Elliot Sainer, President of Aspen Education Group (AEG), Cerritos, CA, announced "AEG is extremely pleased to learn of the very positive findings from the final phase of our industry's first long-term, multi-year clinical study on the effectiveness of private therapeutic residential programs for adolescents. AEG will continue to advocate for new industry research that will further illustrate and promote the best practices and methodologies and enhance our industry's abilities to produce positive and long-lasting results in adolescent therapeutic education."

I guess he was pleased. He paid her to present AEG in the best possible light.

I'd like to see some thoughtful commentary on all of these items that invalidate this study.  No repetitive spam trolling, please.

Conflicts of interest, no follow up, no peer review, never published, studied facilities shut down for systematic child abuse, no review of program methods, Behrens on Aspen payroll, Behrens on board of NATSAP, etc.

[Whooter]

The information is interesting, DJ.  I dont see how any of it would effect the 1,000 of parents and their kids who participated in the study.  The study was independently conducted and overseen by an independent review board.  If there were any conflict of interests the review board would have picked it up.  That is within the scope of their oversight.

The study was also presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) annual convention.  If there is any concern with conflict of interest then it should be sent to WIRB which is the institutional review board which oversaw the study.  They will review and address the issues.  They work with these issues all the time.  I am sure doctors are involved in various studies in the medical industry, but they have conditions which define conflict of interest.

If you feel personally that the study is invalid then you have the right to not refer to it.  But as far as the American Psychological Association and the rest of the professional community they have accepted the study.  I haven't seen anyone come forward to challenge any of the findings to date....  well except DJ of fornits, which we will note.



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[Troll Control]

American Psychological Association and the rest of the professional community they have accepted the study

 :bs:  :roflmao:

No peer review, no publication.  Just because something is presented at a conference doesn't mean it was "accepted by the professional community."  If it were accepted it would be peer reviewed and published.  Didn't you say you knew someting about research?  Apparently not.

[Whooter]

American Psychological Association and the rest of the professional community they have accepted the study

 :bs:  :roflmao:

No peer review, no publication.  Just because something is presented at a conference doesn't mean it was "accepted by the professional community."  If it were accepted it would be peer reviewed and published.  Didn't you say you knew someting about research?  Apparently not.

Yes, I did!!  I have worked with various studies (in many different capacities) over my professional career.  Where does it state that studies need to be peer reviewed and published in a journal?  The APA didnt say  "Wait until your study is peer reviewed or published first"?  ... they accepted the study which was done independently and was overseen by a review board.  It was presented in front of the APA community.

The only one with this requirement is you.  The rest of the professional community is fine with it.  I havent seen anyone come forward to challenge the findings.



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[SUCK IT]

Hey Whooter
Have you ever noticed in dysfunctions  overly obsessive signature, is this line here:

Whooter ("Children are products") is an uneducated industry shill and his credibility

I thought his uneducated obsession was with "survivors", but apparently anyone who dares question his anti treatment orthodoxy must be "uneducated". If you haven't heard, according to DJ I am "uneducated" also and work at Burger King. Would you like fries with that? Oops. thought I was at work again. I just thought it was funny he seems to have this education obsession with everyone. By the way, Whooter, I heard you get a nickel a post, how you enjoying that $67? Don't spend it all in one place, it took a year to earn that bank!

[Paul St. John]

Oh, so I guess you have been helping him with his famous fast-food to program analogies..

[Whooter]

Hey Whooter
Have you ever noticed in dysfunctions  overly obsessive signature, is this line here:

Whooter ("Children are products") is an uneducated industry shill and his credibility

I thought his uneducated obsession was with "survivors", but apparently anyone who dares question his anti treatment orthodoxy must be "uneducated". If you haven't heard, according to DJ I am "uneducated" also and work at Burger King. Would you like fries with that? Oops. thought I was at work again. I just thought it was funny he seems to have this education obsession with everyone. By the way, Whooter, I heard you get a nickel a post, how you enjoying that $67? Don't spend it all in one place, it took a year to earn that bank!

This post is probably better suited for a PM, l but I will place it out here anyways.
Education is big to DJ for some reason.  I think he feels he will not be taken seriously unless he can portray himself to be a person who has been educated.  So he works hard to make this known to new posters like Danny and yourself and maintain that image.  He gains personal pleasure in calling people dumdums or stupid.  This is an open forum and people can claim to be whatever they want here, I dont really care, a discussion is a discussion.

He spends a lot of time here cleaning up his past posts so that they align themselves with a present argument.  A few weeks ago he boasted of having advanced degrees while working as staff at Daytop (I believe it was) and the other poster challenged him so DJ went back 5 years and updated and edited his posts to reflect he had degrees back then.  He then proceeded to present this as evidence of his education.

Here is one of them

I dont bother with it much.  We could all build footers to discredit each other but my personal feeling is if you feel confident within your own self and you believe in what you say then there is no need to continuously try to discredit others or surround yourself in degrees to participate here on fornits.  Education is not a prerequisite for making a valid argument to defend your personal position or thought on any given subject.
We should all be accepted equally here regardless of educational background.




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[Troll Control]

Peer review is the way the editors of academic journals attempt to keep the quality of articles in their publications high, and assure that poor or fallacious research does not get published.

Hmmmmm...  The Behrens study was never published.  And it's both poor and fallacious.  This is why it was never published.  If it could withstand peer review, the gold standard for research, it would be basically unassailable by critics.  But it never was peer reviewed or published, so that speaks volumes about its validity, which apparently even the author believes is none or she would have submitted it for review.  Same reason there was never a follow up done either I suppose.

I would think someone like Whooter, who is claiming to be an expert on studies when he didn't even know what CFR was last week, should understand this.  Or maybe he's just a phony whose entire knowledge base consists of what he copies and pastes from Google.  Probably the latter.