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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 10:18:44 PM »
Quote from: "All programs are bad according to Psy"
All programs are bad according to Psy because he was tortured at Benchmark.

Matching username and post content is the new black.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 10:24:18 PM »
Is there anyway to get a complete case history on Psy.  A copy of his psychosocial eval, a response from his parents?  Some rational objective material that would verify that Psy was kidnapped, waterboarded and systematically brain washed.  What drives this obsessive compulsive narcissistic individual to continue this rag?  He is defeninatly a wounded soul.  Maybe he should just get more in touch with his gayness and learn and understand that resentments towards his parents and the whole world will keep him sick.   I suspect he is majorly depressed and it is recurrent.  He seems to also be obsessive compulsive and has cluster B traits.   He is incapable of giving a parent any advice as to child rearing or dealing with the crisis of the family created by the kid.   He has no empathy for good legitimate parents who have assaultive youth holding them hostage as much as he was ever held hostage

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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 10:27:14 PM »
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Where is the proof that these suicides are the responsibility of the program?

There is none.


All you can do is run a study to compare the # of suicides committed by program grads to the # of suicides in a control group. (probably several control groups)

Then attempt to determine what exactly is the nature of the causal relationship, if there is one. (that will be determined by the significance of the disparity) The cause may be the program, it could also be some other criteria that the experimental group has in common, which the control group does not. There may not be any way to even develop a causal hypothesis, and all people will have are the numbers and percentages. Sometimes, that data alone is enough.

Due to the fact that no study has been conducted, neither you nor anyone else, can refute or confirm any sort of hypothesis regarding this. So as far as Im concerned, all of you should just STFU. You don't exactly sound like a statistician, and neither is anyone else here, so nobody is qualified to have any conclusive proof about any of this, whether the rates be that of "success" (which is a bogus, subjective criteria) or suicide. (which is slightly more concrete)


Of course, this issue has been discussed extensively in other threads already, so you either have not read them, or you are just looking to be the proverbial itchy asshole.


Also, re: OP, saying someone had the choice to kill themselves is rather redundant. If it wasn't their choice, then it wouldn't be a suicide, it would be murder.

Also, please fix your spambot. You're leaving a trail all over the place.


There's a quite a lot of proofs. In individual cases, proofs can include testimony of friends and family substantiating the mental state of the victim before the torture cult in question got to him / her, and afterward. You can have journals of the  victim. You have the testimony of the particular torture cult’s victims, relaying accounts of torture and brainwashing. You have medical findings substantiating that torture, brainwash, imprisonment and kidnapping causes suicide and serious mental illness.
I will to google some of these reports and post them later.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 10:30:57 PM »
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Of course, this issue has been discussed extensively in other threads already, so you either have not read them, or you are just looking to be the proverbial itchy asshole.

Please use respectful language.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2009, 10:32:05 PM »
Quote from: "RATIONAL ALTERNATIVES"
PSY,

Is there a program that is any good or are you equally predjudiced against any attempts to help a seriously conduct disordered youth.  Hypothetically if you had a 13 year old daughter (which is very hypo because you are gay or arn't you?)  that was having sex with a 35 year old drug dealer and contracted a severe form of herpes what would you do?  Have her go live with Ursus and just allow her to do doobies all day and go out all night and have the drug dealing old man to stay over every night.  What is your answer.  We are all waiting for an alternative?  Now don't be shy you Ursus and the rest of your obsessive compulsive little looser fornits have all glummed together in a groupthink support tank and leveled heavy artillery at the whole world and everyone in it.  WHAT'S YOUR ALTERNATIVE?

And leave all your little dirty mouthed responses and all your dirty mouthed fornits responses out of the debate.  Just good rational Obama language.
RA
Well, Geez, how ya been? I haven't heard that kinda language since the Kimball DeLamare thread was last active, and before that ... the good ol' Layne Meacham thread. Ya know, ya really might have more fun here if you just took on a username...

 :seg:

As to your question, seems to me if the guy is really as much of a immoral lout as you say (you've mentioned him before), that it'd be a lot easier -- and a lot better for the rest of society in your neighborhood -- if you just dropped a dime on him for one of his more egregious sins. Hypothetically speaking, a hypothetical thirteen-year-old is liable to focus elsewhere after a period of his sustained absence.

That is, unless he really isn't such a lout after all, or unless you're hoping on him being your new son-in-law.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2009, 10:35:21 PM »
Do you think there is a chance that Michael C. may opt to check out also?
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 10:37:04 PM »
Quote from: "RATIONAL ALTERNATIVES"
Is there anyway to get a complete case history on Psy.  A copy of his psychosocial eval, a response from his parents?  Some rational objective material that would verify that Psy was kidnapped, waterboarded and systematically brain washed.  What drives this obsessive compulsive narcissistic individual to continue this rag?  He is defeninatly a wounded soul.  Maybe he should just get more in touch with his gayness and learn and understand that resentments towards his parents and the whole world will keep him sick.   I suspect he is majorly depressed and it is recurrent.  He seems to also be obsessive compulsive and has cluster B traits.   He is incapable of giving a parent any advice as to child rearing or dealing with the crisis of the family created by the kid.   He has no empathy for good legitimate parents who have assaultive youth holding them hostage as much as he was ever held hostage

RA
What does RA stand for?   Though you feel you have the right to abduct and imprison human beings, a major responsibility, to say the least,-- you don't accept enough responsibility even to sign your own name when defending your criminality.

You throw out a lot of pseudo analysis. Let me guess, no education or accreditation in psychotherapy, however, right?
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2009, 10:38:06 PM »
There are many fornits members that should kill themselves.  Wait a minute, it would be CEDU's fault.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2009, 10:43:02 PM »
As usual you dodged the question, what would be your advice to a parent in crisis with a drug addicted kid that is assaultive.  Do you have any options or just insults and defensive rebuttles.   Give us all an intelligent rational alternative, lay off the Fornits lingo and get real for just a second.  Quit striving to sound like a Rolling Stone jounalist, your not you are just a wounded little girl thrashing out.  Now what is your alternative?

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2009, 10:57:01 PM »
Does anyone know a kimball Delamare?
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2009, 11:46:04 AM »
Quote from: "RATIONAL ALTERNATIVES"
Is there anyway to get a complete case history on Psy.  A copy of his psychosocial eval, a response from his parents?  

Privacy laws would make this close to impossible. All that anyone has to go on is what Psy says. You can read his pasts posts to get an idea of what he wants people to think.


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Some rational objective material that would verify that Psy was kidnapped, waterboarded and systematically brain washed.  

Psy was definitely not kidnapped , brainwashed or even abused. He actually voluntarily signed himself in as an adult to a rehab program for adults from 18-27. He could of left at any time, as any adult who signs themselves into rehab can do. They might pressure you a bit to stay, that's their job after all, but in the end everybody knows if you are an adult you can leave whenever you want. Psy never went to a program as an adolescent, he was brought on as fornits admin because he wanted to fit in with a group of victims, and had the necessary technical skills to maintain the forum.

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What drives this obsessive compulsive narcissistic individual to continue this rag?  

His perpetual attempt to paint himself as a victim of the "troubled teen industry". Even though he claims he wasn't troubled, he was an adult, and chose to go. According to his posts, since his parents work for the government, the tax payer actually funded his hundred thousand dollar stay at Benchmark. The rumor is he still lives with his parents, although psy has not confirmed this one way or the other.

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He is defeninatly a wounded soul.  Maybe he should just get more in touch with his gayness and learn and understand that resentments towards his parents and the whole world will keep him sick.

He doesn't have resentment toward his parents. That's because his parents didn't have him taken by force, they couldn't of even if they wanted to as he was a legal adult. He chose to go, and decided it was a good idea using the same information provided to the parents. So he feels he was duped, and will go into a long rant about how it was false advertising, etc, all in his lame attempt to portray himself as a victim of the industry. Yes, definitely a wounded soul. But not wounded from any program, this started way before that, as he indicates he's been on meds since the age of 13.

 
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I suspect he is majorly depressed and it is recurrent.

Psy has said he is clinically depressed and taking medication for it. He actually said he has been on Prozac since the age of 13. I'd say that's recurrent, wouldn't you?

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He seems to also be obsessive compulsive and has cluster B traits.  

What are cluster B traits?

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He is incapable of giving a parent any advice as to child rearing or dealing with the crisis of the family created by the kid.   He has no empathy for good legitimate parents who have assaultive youth holding them hostage as much as he was ever held hostage

Psy was never held hostage. He claims he signed himself into adult rehab because he was bisexual, and his Christian parents didn't approve of it. That sounds like a pretty dumb reason to me. I think he is just mad at himself for making a poor decision, he should of said no. Now he is fighting to convince others, but really himself, that he is not responsible for his choices.

I read Psy's benchmark website and his old posts. He was never abused, he's just a spoiled, socially akward adult who ended up in an uncomfortable situation. He was homeschooled as a child, with parents who indulged his every whim. So when he finally was in a place where people told him no, he considered that abusive. He lists them taking his laptop away as abuse on his website, enough said.
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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2009, 12:00:47 PM »
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That was similar to where I went. It was almost as if some of them were bragging. In a way I think they thought it would inspire the kids to believe in the infinite ability of the program to cure all ills. Me... It just made me uncomfortable to be around them. I had never been convicted of a crime, never even arrested, never even stopped by a cop... and here this guy was bragging about the length of his rap sheet, even talking about the time he was locked up in a psych ward (later died of coke overdose). Another would show off his (rather unsightly) track marks going and down his arms and legs (later "quit".. possibly fired). Another woman had more than a few missing teeth due to meth abuse (later fired for driving the "school bus" while totally tweaked out of her gord)... and the list went on. I doubt it's as bad at CALO but who knows. It's the danger of hiring people with so-called "real world experience".

You mean people who are in an adult drug rehab, had problems with drugs? Who knew!

This quote is a good example of Psy's unusual beliefs. He admits he had never had problems with the law, never did drugs, drink or have any reason to enter rehab. Yet, he signs himself in anyways. They take his laptop away and he cries about it. The staff people scare him because one is missing teeth and another one did heroin, what did he expect in drug rehab?

People like Psy think everybody else is as dumb, and aparently, as rich as them. Guess again. Most people are not naive enough to sign themselves into unnecessary treatment, nor have the money to do so. If they felt uncomfortable while there, they would of walked out. But here we have Psy, too scared to walk out and start his own life, so he "suffers" in silence until his parents bring him back home and he can protest the only way he knows how, on his precious little computer.

Psy is what is referred to on fornits as a 'lifer', someone who defines themselves by their short experience in rehab in an attempt to portray themselves as a victim. I'll give them credit, a few idiots that pass through fornits actually fall for it. Whatever helps him sleep at night.
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Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2009, 02:55:44 PM »
Michael R was mentally ill.  He would have killed himself sooner or later.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2009, 03:54:10 PM »
ANYONE OUT THERE

Are you interested in helping our society, stay posted, we will have a web site soon Center for Anti Defamation of Professional Youth WorkersWe are going to get a seasoned civil rights Federal Court attorney and who ever donates a certain amount will have access to our strategies and tactics to shut down Michael Crawford's little Fornit Defamers and their overall revenge insurgency against some good folks.

This dirty mouthed little punk Che was afraid of the big bad streets of Redlands, because deep down he is a boob and yet he uses profanity that his name sake Che Guevara would consider childish. Keep your conversation going with him he will finally loose it and start talking about having sex with farm animals. Ursus thinks he cute and admires his cruddy little mouth.Anti Defamation Society .

REMEMBER ANTI DEFAMATION OF PROFESSIONAL YOUTH WORKERS...................NOW IT IS OUR TIME.  AND WE WON'T USE THE PHONY QUOTE OF CHE GOOKIN, WE WILL USE THE QUOTES FROM THE REAL CHE QUEVARA.   Now come on Che Gookin lets here more about beasiality and your statements about having sex with animals............let er roll.    You will be helping Crawford in the 10th District Federal Court.   What Che? still traumatized from your experience in the ghetto with your little buddy Mikey..  Let the crap spew out of your mouth you little punk.
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Re: Michael R. made the choice to kill himself.
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2009, 04:08:28 PM »
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Quote from: "He would have killed himself sooner or later."
Michael R was mentally ill.  He would have killed himself sooner or later.

Michael was "labeled" with a "mental Illness".
The label itself carries a huge social stigma.
Labels come from the DSM-IV and are the Bible of Pill Pushing Shrinks and Big Pharma.
There are no medical tests that prove "a chemical imbalance in the brain"
What Micheal was actually disturbed about we might never know.
It is far too easy to get yourself diagnosed with a Mental Illness and be medicated for it.
These legal "drugs" mess you up worse than the problem that was causing you anxiety or depression in the first place.
When we help people solve their problems with compassion and practical solutions to stress, we will see a big decrease in suicide.

Not to interrupt the Trolls At Work, but, elescu, your post is eloquent and well articulated.
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