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« Reply #60 on: September 03, 2003, 01:01:00 PM »
Seeking justice for injuries received would be  more appropriate.Oppose to seeking revenge. Justice not revenge. There is a difference.

You Anon, cotinue to discredit my assertion kids,families have bben harmed. Why do you do so?

Do you think it is made Up?  

I'm curious to better understand where you are coming from.

Do YOU have a child in the WWASP Program ?If so which?
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« Reply #61 on: September 03, 2003, 01:16:00 PM »
Who are wwasps leaders?  Aren't all the parents and kids given the knowledge to be their own leaders, within their families and in their own life?  Ken Kay is the President and seems to encourage leadership not so much to be with him, but with each individual to make their own choices.  Whereas, it seems Sue Scheff "leader" of PURE does not encourage this in her entourage.
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« Reply #62 on: September 03, 2003, 01:50:00 PM »
As I understand it, the pictures allegedly taken at High Impact were of dog kennels.  While these pictures may be shocking to a jury, they can also be assailed as being simply pictures of dog kennels...having nothing to do with this particular case, this particular location, this particular set of children locked in these cages.  The pictures may be tremendously valuable as "circumstantial" or supplementary evidence, but they are CERTAINLY NOT earth-shattering, nor the stuff of make-it-or-break-it in a law case.  Contrary to what Carey thinks, they do absolutely nothing to "PROVE" anything.  The pictures are private property, belong to a former WWASP victim, and no one has the right to demand they be handed over for Carey to publish on the Internet!  If she thinks her integrity and moral indignation give her the right to demand, she hasn't checked on her own integrity and morals lately.
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« Reply #63 on: September 03, 2003, 02:32:00 PM »
Spots,

I've been trying for days how to respond to this board with out the usual comments..."P.U.R.E., WWASPS, etc..."

You just summed up the whole controversy between Carey & everyone she claims is out to harm her.  The picture incident; shouldn't concern anyone but the photographer & whoever owns them!  That has been hard to convey to Carey...she seems to think by harassing people & posting everyone's private life, the photos will magically appear.  Has anyone ever seen these so called pictures?  Do they even exsist?

Then the misfortune of a staffer being raped was her next escapade...unless the victim comes forward, to my knowledge legally there has been no crime.  I don't know, how one goes about explaining this to Carey?  If those involved do not come forward, charges will never be filed.  For someone to stalk, attack, again post personal emails, etc...Will this tactic eventually make the victim come forward?  I personally do not think so, I didn't take it well when it was swept under the rug either, but I move on.

As for her beef with Sue, she should take that up with her personally.  As for the Bozak character mentioned in her get even scheme, I don't have a clue as to who this person is.  I do know that Joe & Amberly worked for wwasps at one time, I've never spoken to either one of them, but to badger them into submission again would be very difficult for someone once they have witnessed the wrath of Carey.  It's a no holds bar match...for what HER self preservation!!!

She hasn't figured all of this out yet, just thinks she has...it's not just about HER.  The old adadge; about climbing up a ladder & being careful not to damage any rungs on they way up comes to my mind!!!  Thanks for the comments.

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Lee
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« Reply #64 on: September 03, 2003, 03:17:00 PM »
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The picture incident; shouldn't concern anyone but the photographer & whoever owns them! That has been hard to convey to Carey...she seems to think by harassing people & posting everyone's private life, the photos will magically appear.


Why was I told about the pictures?  You tell me!

Why was I told about the rape?    You tell me!

Oh, you all were just passing information?  Is that what the listserv is for.  Do you say oh by the way, kids were in dog kennels and a girl was raped, but don't worry about...just and FYI.  Is that how it works?  Maybe for you but not for me.  You know why those things were said to me...to get me to react.  Well you got it...reaction!  You are still getting it, its just not working the way you want it to anymore.

Lee, I am not badgering anyone.  I am just telling everyone what I know! What I know is what I have experienced.  It is not what you or anyone else has experienced and told me, it is what I have experienced.  You see it is these things which you just stated, the pictures, the rape...etc etc., that are the reason why I did what I did.  Were my actions justified? Yes they were, I was scared to death.  Should I have been?  I don't know. Are they true?  I don't know?
 I now have to consider the source of my information and I have to consider all that I have learned since that experience.  I was caught up in panic and fear because of what I was being told.  Knowing what I know now, would I have approached the situation differently?  Yes, most defintly!


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« Reply #65 on: September 03, 2003, 05:40:00 PM »
Carey,

I received the same info you received, heard the same stories you were told.  Can we agree that each of us interpreted this information differently?

If there are pictures, I?ve never seen them.  If there are pictures, they don?t support my allegations towards wwasps.  You?ve read my story!  The pictures, if there are any, are for those individuals who posses them, in my opinion.  If they wanted you to have the photos, would they not be in your possession now.  I don?t have them, so whoever does have them doesn?t want me to see them either.

The rape ordeal; I believe it was posted on the list; as a staffer at what ever facility had been raped.  In my opinion it?s no different that picking up any day of the weeks news paper & reading the headlines where you live or I reside.  I like you was very upset & would have graciously been satisfied if charges were filed.  Apparently, as both you & I know, the parent of this child assisted in the cover up like nothing ever happened.  Why, hell I don?t know!  Yes, I feel very bad for this child, but the sad part about it was neither you nor I could do anything to support this victimized child.  That?s the hardest part to swallow!!!  

I?ve never informed anyone to remove their child from any facility.  I have spoken to many concerned parents & explained what my family?s concerns are with wwasps.  You?ve bashed me as being a ?pure volunteer?, what ever that entails??Do you know what that even means?  I don?t refer anyone to P.U.R.E. for enrollment in any school; I ain?t qualified in my opinion.  Can I tell them what happen to my family though?   I have sent individuals to P.U.R.E.?s website to peruse the many documents supporting many allegations.  I have sent people to intrepid-reporters to review other people?s opinions other than mine.  Yes, I do speak with individuals on a list serve.  Yes, I do converse with Sue from time to time.  How does that make me or anyone else responsible for your concerns with P.U.R.E.?  

As far as any list serves; they are what they are.  My perception of a list serve is people with common interests or dislike interests; discussing goals, incidents, etc? or just harmless chit chat.  That?s all!!!  When someone disagrees with other members so be it.  When they agree, so be it.  But to continue to state just YOUR opinion over & over & never let up, apparently violated your position on such a list.  No one had any hard feelings for you; they just became tired of your out of control mannerisms.  YOU can not blame anyone for your actions but your self.  YOU had two chances & were twice removed.  Imagine that; YOUR actions & words must have offended someone on the list.  That?s all there is to it!!!

Regards,

Lee
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« Reply #66 on: September 03, 2003, 06:09:00 PM »
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The rape ordeal; I believe it was posted on the list; as a staffer at what ever facility had been raped. In my opinion it?s no different that picking up any day of the weeks news paper & reading the headlines where you live or I reside. I like you was very upset & would have graciously been satisfied if charges were filed.


I think it is way different.  My boys were being held in the place where this "incident" occured.  The details were very specific.

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But to continue to state just YOUR opinion over & over & never let up, apparently violated your position on such a list.

You are right.  I won't let up.  Ed "CONS' like Sue need to be exposed.  Parents have a right to know!

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Apparently, as both you & I know, the parent of this child assisted in the cover up like nothing ever happened.

Of course now, things are being told differently. According to Amberly and Martha, it didn't happen exactly as I was originally told.  There was a relationship between the two parties.  Who knows what really happened?

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I received the same info you received, heard the same stories you were told. Can we agree that each of us interpreted this information differently?


Yes Lee, you heard the same stories I heard.  The difference is, you heard the stories while your child was home safe in your care.  I heard the stories while my boys were in the very place the assault and rape incident occurred.  My boys were in the place where the new "high impact" was being built.  I heard the stories while my boys were still incarcerated.  BIG DIFFERENCE in how things are interpretated, don't ya think?

 
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« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2003, 08:07:00 PM »
I agree Carey!  BIG difference in the interpretations.  And isn't that what all this class action stuff is about?  One parent interprets something that another interprets in a completely different way.  So the class action is based on interpretations not facts?   :wink:
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« Reply #68 on: September 03, 2003, 08:46:00 PM »
anon your an idiot!! she is talking about stories, e-mails, what someone told her. the class action is about experiances, what people had to deal with, the families that were lied to, the kids that were hurt, hungry, not given medical attention, restrained for pain,that were hit, humiliated, laughed at when they cried, put in op for looking at someone, talking, smiling, itching, the class action is for justice, wwasp thought they were to big for anyone to stand up against them. someone on another thread said wwasp was getting there own big guns (attorneys)  i wanted to ask  who RALP ATKINS!!!
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« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2003, 09:10:00 PM »
That's quite an imagination.  Sounds very much like the PURE propaganda that's posted everywhere here or should I say on their website?  And I suppose all the kids there now are the product of brainwashed parents thinking it's okay to abuse their kids.  You forgot to add that.   :wink:
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« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2003, 09:18:00 PM »
[this thread had a subtitle of "Nailed It!".  What the hell does that mean?]

Carey, like Louis XIV, you pretend like you are the Sun King, the center of the universe, the pivot around which all else revolves.  You were told by someone about the HI pictures, and the Dundee rape?  Like telling you was tantamount to telling J. Edgar Hoover about a meeting of communists converging into, say, Chicago?  Like somebody needs to "leak" a story to you, an equal to a reporter for the New York Times or the Washington Post.  Carey, you are not Woodward and Bernstein; nor are you Tim Weiner.  You are a loose cannon.  YOU ARE NOT VERY IMPORTANT, IN THE GREATER SCHEME OF THINGS.  

My kid in Casa doesn't bring floods of informers tattling about this and that at Casa.  MY ONLY PERSONAL EMAIL (you remember what personal is, don't you???) from Sue Scheff was a very nice note, very early on, giving me the contact name of another grandmother who was able to retreive her grandaughter from Casa.  Simply that,"...I know of a grandmother who was able to get her grandaughter out...", which I thought was very nice.  I contacted this grandmother, and found circumstances a little different, but learned from her that it took 6+ months and nearly $100K to get the girl.  For this contact, I truly thank Sue Scheff.  It made our burden more bearable.

You say "...ED CONS need to be exposed".  Well, maybe.  One man's exposed is another man's full knowledge, so one can make an informed decision depending on what works for him.  IOW, SOME FOLKS WANT TO USE AN ED CON, INCLUDING SUE SCHEFF, regardless of her "credentials".  It is not for you to decide.  You can inform, BUT YOU CANNOT DECIDE, EXPOSE, PROSECUTE, SENTENCE, EXECUTE.  If someone talks with Sue Scheff and likes her personally, likes which facilities she suggests, likes the whole concept of personal imprisonment for their children, likes to throw money into that slimy pit...that's their choice.  They should not, however, be allowed to imprison their children in harmful places, and my personal opinion is that laws are the way to ensure that.  [Ginger and some ex-Straights disagree, but that's just a disagreement.]

I did want to tell you that there were very neat thunder storms here in Northern California today...and that I say this because PURE told me to say that.  Oh, and they also told me to breathe in and breathe out.  God Damn, where would I be without them?
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« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2003, 09:19:00 PM »
What class-action-lawsuit?  Sounds to me like if there is one, it's been put on the back burner, indefinitly.  

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« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2003, 09:30:00 PM »
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[this thread had a subtitle of "Nailed It!". What the hell does that mean?]


Anon your asking me "what the hell does that mean?"  Don't ask me, ask Lee.  He is the one that subtitled this thread "Nail It."  If you want to know what someone means by what they say, well then, go to the horses mouth for the answer.

If I am not very important, as you say, then don't worry about what I say. ::crybaby::
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« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2003, 10:01:00 PM »
Spots, you definitly have some issues --- not the least of which is your own daughter does not seem to give a damn what you think or how you feel about her child-rearing decisions.  Why not focus all your time and energy on changing her heart and mind instead of hanging your hopes on a yet-to-be-filed class action lawsuit, a yet-to-be-made-movie, dozens of news articles, ISAC reports, even the closure of a program, all of which while promising, have not changed your situation for the better?  

Second, all this "bitchin and bashin" of Carey and virtually anyone else who does not share your same point of view about Pure and it's founder is not helping "your cause" either.  If you feel Scheff and the PURE people have your best interests at heart, more power to you.  Let others speak their truth.  

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« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2003, 01:21:00 AM »
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On 2003-08-30 09:03:00, Carey wrote:

"Subj: Confidential  

Date: 2/28/03 8:23:53 PM Central Standard Time

From: SLS1262  aka  Sue Scheff

To: Careycbock

 





I am sending you this because it yanks at my heart!  The entire thread on the BBS is justifying it telling the guy their kids have been there months, years.... and not to worry he will thank you...NOT.  He has only been at Dundee for about a month and a half.  Use caution if you write, and always say it was just sent to you from another parent that doesn't want their name told.  My God the kid is only 14!



(The above is Sue's message to me.)

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(Below is what someone had cut and copied from the BBS and sent it to Sue.  Sue then sent the above and below to me all as one email.)  Hope this helps to explain what this is all about.

Gil L.

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 posted February 26, 2003 01:20 PM                     I just had our call with our FR today and it was a tough one. Our son is very emotional and has been now for a couple of weeks. Boy, it sure is hard to hear that you kid is just crying all the time.

I so wish I could make it better, but the only thing I know to say to make him stop is something that we can't do (take him home) right now.



I know he is there to help with his behavior issues, but man this is hard. I sure hope it starts getting easier at some point in the future. Our FR suggested writing letters to him that call him out on his denial about why he is there, and It is hard to bring myself to do that. I want him to know, but don't want to cause him any more pain then what he is being challenged with right now in the program.

6 weeks and level 1 0 points. When does it start to get better?  (I know, it starts getting better at Discovery, but that is still a month away)



I am venting more then anything, but feedback is always welcome.



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