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« on: August 30, 2003, 09:40:00 AM »
Subj: Class Action Lawsuit against WWASP  
Date: 12/31/02 4:02:07 PM Central Standard Time
From: SLS1262
To: xxxxxxxxxx


2003 will be the year that the class action if finally forming.

If any of you are interested in joining, please let me know and I will put you in touch with the attorney that is preparing the affidavits.  

With a class action lawsuit, you will not have to keep involved.  I know many of you want to forget much of it, however all that is needed for now is your sworn affidavit. After that, it will be a while before it ever goes to trial or if it goes to trial.

If you are an ex student and are 18 years or older, you can file on your own with our attorney.  There is no fees for any of you.  The Attorney is preparing a file to give to a very large law firm.

I fully respect any decision you make.

Happy New Year to all of you.

Sue Scheff
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2003, 11:51:00 AM »
carey remember it's puff puff pass don't bogart that sweet.

your point?  i didn't see mention of pure in any of your email?  i see addys and sue scheff's name?  how does this make it pure?  are you jealous that your media attention has ended?  to bad you can't join the class action?  or maybe you should call huron?

what happen to your signing off?  oh, that's right you had to come back to spread the "scarey carey" story and how pure beat you up.  what a joke.

now remember, puff puff pass then exhale.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2003, 12:03:00 PM »
Subj: Confidential  
Date: 2/28/03 8:23:53 PM Central Standard Time
From: SLS1262  aka  Sue Scheff
To: Careycbock
 


I am sending you this because it yanks at my heart!  The entire thread on the BBS is justifying it telling the guy their kids have been there months, years.... and not to worry he will thank you...NOT.  He has only been at Dundee for about a month and a half.  Use caution if you write, and always say it was just sent to you from another parent that doesn't want their name told.  My God the kid is only 14!

(The above is Sue's message to me.)
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(Below is what someone had cut and copied from the BBS and sent it to Sue.  Sue then sent the above and below to me all as one email.)  Hope this helps to explain what this is all about.
Gil L.
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 posted February 26, 2003 01:20 PM                     I just had our call with our FR today and it was a tough one. Our son is very emotional and has been now for a couple of weeks. Boy, it sure is hard to hear that you kid is just crying all the time.
I so wish I could make it better, but the only thing I know to say to make him stop is something that we can't do (take him home) right now.

I know he is there to help with his behavior issues, but man this is hard. I sure hope it starts getting easier at some point in the future. Our FR suggested writing letters to him that call him out on his denial about why he is there, and It is hard to bring myself to do that. I want him to know, but don't want to cause him any more pain then what he is being challenged with right now in the program.
6 weeks and level 1 0 points. When does it start to get better?  (I know, it starts getting better at Discovery, but that is still a month away)

I am venting more then anything, but feedback is always welcome.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2003, 01:48:00 PM »
Carey,
You need to find a hobby.  Do you sit around all day and dig into your old e-mails to find things to expose to get attention?

Are you now on WWASP payroll?  Why don't you just post all your e-mails concerning them so that they know what all of us have been doing over the past year.......  They probably have a full time person dedicated to this site to find out what Carey will share with them.

You are hurting everyone, including the children that are still in these facilities, by exposing things that have happened in the past.  The school in Costa Rica was closed with alot of hard work from many, including yourself.  Why are you digging up old e-mails?  Look to the future and help the kids that are still in these hell holes.
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2003, 02:00:00 PM »
Subj: Re: [Trekkers] From DT's Board-To Charlotte and all  
Date: 10/20/02 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time
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Charlotte and all,

I have been in touch with Deborah Thomas (DT).  I am not 100% on her mission, and Donna H. and I felt she was all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear.  She is at times, very anti all programs, when in fact some children really do need help.  Just the right help.  And then she can go into the medication, school districts and other issues of discern "to her."  I am glad Jeff is there monitoring it for us, just in case they do get some good information for us.

The fact that she has both Barbe Stampe and Alexia Parks (both woman that Donna H. had a bad taste for, with good reason) on her board, makes me wonder.  I am not sure who you are sending Phil's diary to, but please let me know first.  I don't want it to end up in the wrong hands.  Some people are in this for monetary reasons, while we are here for the children.  That is the difference in a nutshell.

Sue
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2003, 03:50:00 PM »
Carey, while it's not clear that Sue and PURE started the class action, one thing is clear, and that's they are heavily involved in it.   The e-mail was dated New Years Eve last year, so it seems likely they started the ball rolling right around the time of the court hearing between them and wwasps: http://www.purerebuttal.com

Thank you for sharing the e-mails, however the second one from the bbs doesn't make a lot of sense to me personally.  

Those that don't want to share what you know are sure slamming on ya, girl!  Hang in there.
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2003, 04:20:00 PM »
Thanks, I will.  They are now posting lies that I have proof of.  I do not believe a word they say!  I have seen them for what they really are.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2003, 04:54:00 PM »
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On 2003-08-30 13:20:00, Carey wrote:

"Thanks, I will.  They are now posting lies that I have proof of.  I do not believe a word they say!  I have seen them for what they really are. "


BUSTED, SCARED, PANICKED, WICKED!!?? :wink:
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2003, 07:17:00 PM »
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On 2003-08-30 11:00:00, Carey wrote:

"Subj: Re: [Trekkers] From DT's Board-To Charlotte and all  

Date: 10/20/02 8:42:18 PM Central Daylight Time

From: intrepid-l@fully-baked.org

To: intrepid-l@fully-baked.org

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Charlotte and all,



I have been in touch with Deborah Thomas (DT).  I am not 100% on her mission, and Donna H. and I felt she was all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear.  She is at times, very anti all programs, when in fact some children really do need help.  Just the right help.  And then she can go into the medication, school districts and other issues of discern "to her."  I am glad Jeff is there monitoring it for us, just in case they do get some good information for us.



The fact that she has both Barbe Stampe and Alexia Parks (both woman that Donna H. had a bad taste for, with good reason) on her board, makes me wonder.  I am not sure who you are sending Phil's diary to, but please let me know first.  I don't want it to end up in the wrong hands.  Some people are in this for monetary reasons, while we are here for the children.  That is the difference in a nutshell.



Sue "


Who is Deborah Thomas and what "board" is Sue Scheff referring to?
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2003, 08:42:00 PM »
Is Deborah T the same Deborah that posts her novels that are of very little interest to most other than the blatant attack on a religious group?  If so, and she has her own board, what's the board and link?  So she does have or did have contact with PURE at one time or is she still?


I find this thread very enlightening.  Thank you Carey for once again showing us what PURE is all about- and it doesn't seem like it's FOR the kids OR the parents that want REAL help.
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2003, 08:44:00 PM »
P.S. - what a news story this would all make!  This one would be based on verifiable facts! :rofl:
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2003, 11:43:00 PM »
This is very interesting.
Let's get a few things straight. I appreciate the opportunity to address this.

I don't have a BOARD, never have. I do have a highly screened LISTSERVE that I sat up over two years ago with some very distinguished members- ex-parents, advocates, authors, and activists, some who have not had any direct contact with the industry at all; but who were interested in exploring and discussing the atrocities of "Teen Help Industry" in general. It is called Teen Help Activism. Hence, the reason Sue may have had an interest in what was happening there.  

At the time of its inception, I knew very little about the industry, but wanted to understand more about the warped individuals who had seized control of my son and my rights. I had no idea there was an arm of WWASP refered to as Teen Help and never intended the list to be focused on WWASP. My son was in a non-WWASP facility- I used the term Teen Help to describe the entire industry, as many did and do. The idea for a listserve was hatched on the "We've Been There" message board, and is still posted there.

Jeff has been a member of that list from very early on, but at no time identified himself as a Pure representative. His membership to the list was approved by the other members. Several said he would definitely be an asset to the group and no one opposed. And honestly, when the day is done, I don't care if he is there. I have no private or hidden agenda. I wanted a private place to share information with others without being subjected to miserable pro-program messages that made their way onto every message board I had found. I didn't want to hear one more person tell me to relax, all was well, let the program work. Although Jeff never disclosed much about himself, he has shared some important information with others and has never once promoted or mentioned Pure. Under those conditions he is welcomed to remain a member, as the purpose of the listserve is to share information.

Over the months I did notice that all Jeff's post were pertaining to WWASP, but thought, of well, that's who his beef is with. I still support any effort he makes in the direction of exposing the truth about that particular program/conglomerate.

A number of other members of my listserve who will remain unnamed, post here regularly and absolutely know that I am anti-any program or ed con and have no affiliation with anyone. They are not anonomous posters and have no affiliation with anyone either.

As to Sue's comment that she had been in contact with me- IF she ever had any contact with me she either used an alias or did so via another person. I don't know who Donna H is??  I assume Sue was attempting to case me out to see if I was friend or foe, and APPREARS (according to this email) to have had Jeff keeping tabs on my listserve.

Oh well, I'm sure they all found out soon enough, as she states, that I was "all over the map, with an agenda that is not exactly clear". That's because there was NO AGENDA, but to share information, vent, and vision. She might have mentioned the lengthy discussion that occured regarding the creation of an alternative to the illegal incarceration of youth. Something along the lines of a free safe house for teens who were having problems with their parents. I'm sure that one blew her mind.

I obviously wasn't a candidate for the Pure camp, but Sue was apparently interested in any information that may have been shared on my LISTSERVE (not a board) which might serve her agenda.

There was a time, in dire desperation, that I emailed any and everyone who had any connection to the industry and appeared to be speaking the truth about it. I was seeking information, advice or referals to attorneys.  I remember mailing Ginger, Wes, Barbe, Alexia, and others I've forgotten, and several attorneys- but never Lon or anyone else in the business of placing teens. I wanted help getting my son out, not in finding a placement. And I trusted no one who played any role in the industry. It could've happened that I stumbled onto her website in a search, but I feel certain I would not have sought advice from an Ed Con. If I did, I do not remember it and it would not have been more than a request and response, because we are absolutely not on the same page, in terms of what constitutes "helping" teens.

And, as I've said here before, aside from despising what she does for a living- I don't have any personal beef with her. What I know about her is what I have read here. If she instigated the class action, I really don't care. If it is successful, I will be pleased. If the entire industry goes down, even better still.

Deborah
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2003, 03:10:00 AM »
Deborah - have you ever heard the term - KISS - keep it simple sweetie - again, you've just said a lot of nothing.  :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2003, 03:24:00 AM »
:rofl:
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