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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #90 on: October 03, 2009, 07:05:37 PM »
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I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.
You really should not be attacking him for asking the hard questions.  There just isn’t any evidence.  Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911.  This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed.  Yet you cannot make even one reference to an arrest or person going to jail.  All of us reading know no one was kidnapped or detained against their will anywhere. You live in a dream world and have missed your medication for the day.


To your sociopath brain, "reality" does not constitute evidence. Keep molesting and torturing kids. Your end is near. Maybe it will come through someone by the name of 'Brandon.' We know how afraid you are of him. As well you should be.


Quote from: "San Francisco Examiner Bay"
San Francisco Examiner Bay "kidnap' case pits parents vs. teen
San Francisco Examiner


January 6, 1998

Originally printed by the Hearst Examiner

He was asleep in his bunk bed when the two men knocked on the door in the middle of the night and took him away against his will.

The men were hired by his parents to take him - by force, if necessary - from his Oakland home to a Utah hospital for troubled teenagers. From there, 16-year-old David Van Blarigan was taken to a behavior-modification "boarding school" in Jamaica, where he's not allowed to leave the grounds or even call his parents.

To his parents, the men were professional "escorts," not abductors, and their decision to have David taken away against his will was within their rights as parents to do what they felt best for their child.

But to the Alameda County district attorney it was kidnapping.

And David's unwilling enrollment in the Jamaican facility, Tranquility Bay, is unlawful imprisonment that violates his individual right to freedom.

On Wednesday, a Superior Court judge in Oakland will hold a hearing on the prosecutor's petition to have David returned to Oakland and placed under the court's protective custody.

At issue in the case are the rights of parents vs. the rights of minors.

The case has drawn national attention. Not only is the tale of David's post-midnight removal from his home dramatic, but the judge's decision in this unprecedented case can impact the burgeoning industry of "teen help" centers like Tranquility Bay.

Many, like the Van Blarigans, hire professional escorts to take their children to the centers because they know that the children would not go with their parents voluntarily, said Koller. Koller hired escorts to take his son. So did Fontaine, for her daughter.

The Van Blarigans don't deny that David was taken against his will, said Koller.


But the Van Blarigans felt they had no other choice, he said. Koller declined to state what David's behavioral problems were, but said they were not drug- or alcohol-related.

David, who was a student at Skyline High School in Oakland and has a younger brother, Timmy, 13, came to the attention of the courts when he placed a collect phone call from the Jamaica airport to his next-door neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, an administrative law judge. Aschemeyer then contacted Oakland police.

According to court documents filed by the prosecutor, Deputy District Attorney Robert Hutchins, David called Aschemeyer on Nov. 23. David said he was able to make the call because the personnel from Tranquility Bay were late in meeting him at the airport.

David told Aschemeyer that he was asleep in his bedroom on Nov. 10 when he was awakened at 12:30 a.m. by his parents. In the room were "two burly men," David told Aschemeyer.

His parents told David that the men were going to take him away "because he was unhappy at home." David's protests were to no avail.

The men, from Youth Transport Service of Ogden, Utah, then escorted David to a four-door sedan they picked up at the Oakland Airport after arriving the night before from Salt Lake City, said Koller.

Once inside the car, David told Aschemeyer, he was placed in a locked seat similar to a child's seat. When he asked the escorts "why they didn't get a real job instead of kidnapping children," the escorts threatened to handcuff him, David said.

At the Brightway Adolescent Hospital in St. George, Utah, 700 miles away, David said that teenagers "were not permitted to talk back to hospital personnel."

"If they did, several members of the staff would jump on the minor and knock the minor to the floor. Then they would pile on the individual," according to the petition.

Unruly teenagers would also be given a hypodermic needle injection and locked in a room alone, the document added.

David ended his conversation with Aschemeyer by stating that "he felt as if he was in prison."
 
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #91 on: October 03, 2009, 07:14:00 PM »
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I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.
I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.

And that's not being debated.  You're obfuscating the issue.  Just because people haven't been caught and the system set up is clever doesn't mean laws are not being violated.

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Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911.

And the police contact either the victim or the parent, both of which are "taken care of" in this situation.  No wonder nobody's been arrested.  It's going to take a kid getting the attention of passers by of flagging down cops in the process to stop this practice...

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This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed.

No it won't, because it's a teenager who is alleged to be "troubled" which is on par with "nigger" in 1800's deep south.
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #92 on: October 03, 2009, 07:25:59 PM »
Not really sure why I'm arguing with the trolls, but anyway here it goes...

I have been privy to some ambiguous situations where there are two sides to a story, and it's not totally clear what the situation is.  Putting aside the fact that youth are given no due process and forcefully abducted in the middle of the night.  

Brandon is different.  He has the principal of his school, the family he has stayed with for the last four months, and his entire student body supporting his freedom.  If you want to continue spewing your garbage go ahead.  If you can say this about him, then you have no credibility when it comes to anyone else, not that you had any in the past.

His community is not particularly anti-residential treatment either, at least based on their statements so far.  Ok for some, but not for him.

So whoever you are, a fair warning to you to stop now, before you end up digging yourself deeper into a hole, proving just how much of a sociopath you really are.

Until then, Bring Brendan Home.
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #93 on: October 03, 2009, 07:38:09 PM »
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No it won't, because it's a teenager who is alleged to be "troubled" which is on par with "nigger" in 1800's deep south.

The kid is a nigger?  Do they serve watermelon and fried chicken?
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« Reply #94 on: October 03, 2009, 07:50:31 PM »
http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf

Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping
. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #95 on: October 03, 2009, 08:03:40 PM »
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf

Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping
. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.

Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites?  Anything legal? or fact based?  Anyone could have written that crap.  It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not.  It is either legal or it isnt.

today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #96 on: October 03, 2009, 08:13:27 PM »
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf

Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping
. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.

Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites?  Anything legal? or fact based?  Anyone could have written that crap.  It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not.  It is either legal or it isnt.

today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.


Poor child molester, your eye site limitations allow you to seenothing but the possible pain you can inflict on your victims. You went and missed the articles referenced by heal, and the articles posted on this site. We know you're dumb, too dumb to ever get a real job, so dumb all youre only capable of kidnapping and torturing kids for bucks, but try to pretend some capacity of thought. People are reading!
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« Reply #97 on: October 03, 2009, 09:12:42 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest"
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http://www.heal-online.org/HR911problems.pdf

Shannan Wilber, staff attorney with the Youth Law Center, has worked to
put in place regulations to protect children from extra-legal kidnapping and
the practices of the escort/transport industry in California.(6) Prosecutors
have repeatedly stated that these escorts are guilty of kidnapping
. However,
children are unaware or unwilling to prosecute their parents in conjunction
with the services and parents are too embarrassed, ashamed, or unwilling to be
inconvenienced, to take legal action for themselves and their children when
victimized by this industry.

Do you have any evidence besides fornits and other anti program sites?  Anything legal? or fact based?  Anyone could have written that crap.  It doesnt matter if kids are willing to sue their parents or not.  It is either legal or it isnt.

today it is legal and it is not kidnapping.


Poor child molester, your eye site limitations allow you to seenothing but the possible pain you can inflict on your victims. You went and missed the articles referenced by heal, and the articles posted on this site. We know you're dumb, too dumb to ever get a real job, so dumb all youre only capable of kidnapping and torturing kids for bucks, but try to pretend some capacity of thought. People are reading!

As far as asking for proof outside these web sites, I'll take that as you have no evidence.  I knew this, but justed wanted you to post it.  We can move on.
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Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
« Reply #98 on: October 03, 2009, 09:22:46 PM »
Sure. Time magazine, the plethora of other media, sworn testimony, lawsuits, judgments, and prosecutors are "a website." Anyone who can read knows better, so chances are you're trying to convince yourself. You're pretty good at that.  Youre from DRA, right? When Brenden gets out, chances are he's gonna take a chunk of you with him. Have fun. Maybe him and the victims who lent their testimony to HEAL, a non profit org started by survivors of groups like yours, will file class action. better than you deserve, murderer. Youve already called them begging them to remove their testimony. COWARD and a child abuser.
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« Reply #99 on: October 03, 2009, 09:38:27 PM »
What I was looking for was some real evidence outside of these web sites which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping.  I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence.  The courts convicting some guy, the police handcuffing and dragging them out of the car with the kid running to John Walsh as they track down the killers.  You know real life stuff. Something legal, guess not.

If I were to respond on your level I would have said this:

What I was looking for, Druggie, was some real evidence outside of these web sites, slut, which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping, you fucking pinhead.  I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy or anyone else you are in bed with, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence, rape bait.  The courts convicting some guy, the police handcuffing and dragging them out of the car with the kid running to John Walsh as they track down the killers.  You know real life stuff, you program cast off lying scum... whats that on your face “Got Milk?”

But I like to be nice.
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« Reply #100 on: October 03, 2009, 10:00:41 PM »
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From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail?":

    David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." .[/list]


    Dimwit child molester, one of the myriad of articles corroborating abduction by gulags was from TIME MAGAZINE. Is Time magazine a website, murdering moron?

    Quoted was Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. Is Robert Hutchin a website, sexually abusive, mental midget?



    It’s been underlined and bolded for you twice. Your continued insistance there is nothing available on gulag abduction other than "websites" corroborates your deceitfulness, or your propensity of self delusion as to suit your personal preferences.

    "Rape Bait." Interesting term. Here’s a quote from one of your victims
    http://www.heal-online.org/diamond.htm

    Quote from: "Richard Dias, sexual abuser of children, victim"
    This is where Ricky Dias could make you run up and down a field for 3 hours in the scorching hot sun with no water. I remember Ricky Dias yelling at a girl for not getting out of the shower on time the night before. He told this girl that if it happened again tonight he would: "Rip her out of the shower by her hair naked."


    Are you Ricky Dias ?




    Quote from: "Diamond ranch academy victim"
    I have seen a male physically restrain a girl while she screamed for him to get off her and started crying from the amount of force he applied to the restraint. WHERE WAS THE FEMALE STAFF HMM? Sounds FOXY to me.
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    Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
    « Reply #101 on: October 04, 2009, 06:39:30 AM »
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    What I was looking for, Druggie, was some real evidence outside of these web sites, slut, which shows just one person going to jail for kidnapping, you fucking pinhead.  I dont want iacoca or HEAL boy or anyone else you are in bed with, I wanted something seriously lacking here which is evidence, rape bait.

    Wow.  Can't imagine what could be the wonderful place you learned to use such language; such prejudice.

    But that's besides the point.  You're obfuscating the issue. Just because people haven't been caught and the system set up is clever doesn't mean laws are not being violated.  What happened to Brendan was kidnapping.  That's my opinion.  And it's also my opinion that a court of law would see it that way.

    Gotta say your program really fucked up this time.  Like blombro said "He has the principal of his school, the family he has stayed with for the last four months, and his entire student body supporting his freedom."  It's going to be hard justifying his "needed" such treatment.  There are over 1500 people lining up to testify to his character. and don't expect coerced confessions written while under duress are going to fly in court.  Besides the point that it's irrelevant and probably heresay...  committing a crime is committing a crime.  Only thing that would do is make it look like your program doesn't care about the privacy of their patients...  i mean students.
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    Re: Send Postcards to Brendan
    « Reply #102 on: October 04, 2009, 07:34:12 AM »
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    he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." .

    So you found someone who regards it as kidnapping.  But again it isn’t kidnapping. I regard it as escort.  The courts regard it as escort.  The law is on the side of the school, parents and the court system.  They petitioned the court and the court regards it as an escort service.

    Quick question, what happened when the police were called right after the kidnapping?  Did they dispatch helicopters, fire shots, call for an amber alert?  When they found out it was an escort service did they place these people in custody so that they could never do it again?

    Can you see the difference?  If someone goes into your bedroom and rapes you and then that person finds a few people on fornits to say it was consensual then does that mean he doesnt have to go to jail?  or should we wait and see what the court system has to say?

    You have to look at the bigger picture and reference the laws a little more.
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    « Reply #103 on: October 04, 2009, 07:37:27 AM »
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    Wow.  Can't imagine what could be the wonderful place you learned to use such language; such prejudice.

    Fornits, where else?  That was my point.
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    « Reply #104 on: October 04, 2009, 11:21:11 AM »
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    Have you gone to the police about Brendan's kidnap? What did the police say they would do? Will they arrest his kidnappers?

    Really, what did they say? (im not a troll--just a person who does not understand how the police do NOTHING on behalf of victims of these criminal organizations)

    30 years ago a kid fleeing from The Seed or Straight, Inc. couldn't go to the police. The police would take the kid back to the program simply writing off all that they said as lies. The police didn't know they were participating in abuse. They actually believed that we all were dirty rotten druggies and liars and that the cult was an actual drug rehab which was trying to help us. All these years later, after all the investigations, lawsuits and journalism, now the world pretty much knows that we weren't making things up. But at the time?

    "... a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. "

    There probably never will be massive numbers of criminal charges. Not any more than there were massive numbers of prosecutions for things like unnecessary frontal lobotomies or other quack medical practices or Jim Crow. Only the few worst, most outrageous abusers are prosecuted, making an example for the rest of our broad community until such practices go the way of Jim Crow.

    Thayer is one such example http://www.closethayerlearningcenter.co ... oreyes.asp
    Charles Long III is another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Long_(ABSRA)

    There will be more to come, I'm quite sure.
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