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[psy]

Yet fornits will attempt to portray him as a victim. This place is a joke. Now that the admin has been caught pretending to be an attendee of a youth program, the credibility is zero. It's just some guy who went to rehab as an adult. Too funny!

Ad homenem and not true (but defending myself is not the purpose of this thread.  Start another).  Furthermore there are two admins.  The other, Antigen, attended Straight Inc. as a teen.

[psy]

Why do you guys care about Brendan?  You don't have personal connections with him.

In a sense many of us do.  His story bears many similarities to my own, for example.  I was doing fine on my own where I was at the time but was threatened with deportation.  During the time I was out on my own, it was probably the happiest time of my life.  Brendan's friends report he felt similarly; that they had never seen him happier.

[Whooter]

the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.

Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google

If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail.  Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article.  Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?

Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year.  How about an amber alert!!!  or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.

Just 1!!!

No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.  Yet you have a tough time with this?  Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused?  forced to read, to do your homework?  Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?


If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

[psy]

When you get down to it we all know that he needs help and belongs there.  We have already gotten past and debunked the argument that kids are just randomly being pick up and driven to programs.

It's as random as the parents want. Was he diagnosed with an illness by a doctor after which he voluntarily submitted to treatment?  Was he convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers of a crime?  Was he entitled to a defense?  An attorney?  NO. He was pulled off the street under false pretenses and kidnapped.  What the hell else do you want to call it.  I refuse to use the "escort" euphemism.  Pick up a dictionary and read it.  Making up your own words to seem more legitimate is a poor defense.

We also know the parents have better things to spend their money on then escorts and specialty schools.  The kid was out of control and abused his parents.

Says one side of the story, and not his friends, and if Brendan could speak freely, I doubt he'd agree.

Let's put it this way.  The program ended up convincing me that while I was on my own I was doing badly and was destined to failure (the program or death).  Through the dogma of the almighty program I was forced to reinterpret my past -- and I swallowed it; hook, line, and sinker.  Thought reform is a powerful thing.  It wasn't until I talked to my parents years later who said by the standards of the world, I was doing fine.

The kid needs to be there period.  The parents are the victims here.

Bullshit.  The only extent the parents are victims is to degree they're scammed by the program.  Even that is only financial damage.  What is being done to this kid under false pretenses of therapy makes him the victim here.

Anyone who has ever been to DRA knows that if he breaks the rules or tries to run then he will be kicked out (sent home).

Bull.  I would bet large amounts of money you threaten them with worse programs if they act enough to get kicked out.  Common tactic at WWASP was threatening kids with out of country programs such as TB or High Impact.

But he is obviously getting the help he wants and needs because he is still there by his own choice.  Brendon has spoken.

Under duress.  Can he speak freely with the outside world without being monitored or without fear of punishment?  Didn't think so.  IMO, by now, he's figured out that he has to say whatever the program wants in order to succeed.  Eventually, he'll probably believe it -- probably some time after the program too... but it will wear off and when it does you will have hell to pay.  I'll personally make sure of that.

Some people resist going into the water and if they are picked up and thrown in they dont all necessarily jump out and run home.  Most enjoy the water once they are in and realize the benefit and stay.

Throwing them in without their consent is STILL wrong regardless of your pathetic rationalizations.  Your ends justify the means bullshit makes me sick.

Just because you think a person might enjoy or benefit from something does not give you the right to force it on them.

[psy]

 Kidnap and imprisonment is illegal, you freak. So is brainwashing and abuse.

Exactly!!  So show us some police reports where anyone was arrested for kidnapping and false imprisionment.

Prosecuting such things are very difficult since the statute of limitations tends to be short.  Programs wait until kids are good and brainwashed (thought reform) before they let them leave, and that takes a while to wear off.  When Antigen, who went to arguably one of the worst program in history (straight inc) got out of the program, she was asked by the press and others "were you abused" and she said "no".  By any outside standards of human decency she was, and so were so many others.  Today, I dare you, I fucking double dare you, to find a single Straight Inc. graduate will say that the program was not abusive.  Time puts things in perspective.  When you grow up in the twilight zone you don't realize just how messed up things are.  This is why thought reform can only happen in a vacuum and this is why progams must cut participants off from all outside influences.  Read some Robert Lifton or Margaret Singer on the topic.  You might learn something.

[Ursus]

the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.

Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google

If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail.  Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article.  Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?

Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year.  How about an amber alert!!!  or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.

Just 1!!!

No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.  Yet you have a tough time with this?  Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused?  forced to read, to do your homework?  Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?


If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail?":

David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." Normally, a parent cannot kidnap his own child, but Hutchins argues that by giving Tranquility Bay the power to "restrain, control and detain" their son for a year, they effectively handed over custody of him, which, he says, California case law prohibits. Hutchins also contends that David's brief examination at Brightway was a sham and that his parents had already signed a yearlong contract with Tranquility Bay.[/list]

[psy]

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.

Were the people who grabbee Brendan off the streets law enforcement officers?  NO.  It was fucking kidnapping, then.  Just because it's rarely and/or difficult to prosecute doesn't make it any more legal.

I hope to god a kid snaps out early enough to prosecute, though it might not make a difference with the local prosecutors.  Just ask Denise Woodbury, local prosecutor in Bonner's Ferry Idaho, why she didn't prosecute a rapist escort.

If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

Interesting choice of words.  And you are proof of exactly why it is so difficult to prosecute.  So if you're indeed a graduate, how long have you been out?

Let me ask you this: was there anything negative about DRA at all, or was it all 100% positive.  Did the program save your life?  Would you do anything for it?

[Anonymous]

the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.

Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google

If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail.  Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article.  Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?

Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year.  How about an amber alert!!!  or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.

Just 1!!!

No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.  Yet you have a tough time with this?  Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused?  forced to read, to do your homework?  Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?


If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

Nope kidnapping IS kidnapping. Whether the courts wish to judge kidnapping as a criminal matter or not is another manner. Forcing a person to work is slavery. The courts refused to recognize slavery as a crime for 100s of years, but that didn't make it any less slavery (or criminal for that matter.)

Meanwhile, civil suits from the victims of the people you represent for the crime of kidnapping and false imprisonment have been successful. You tend to settle these quietly, as you are cowards.
http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brigh ... 03.03.html

What will make me feel better is people like you rotting in prison. That day is fast approaching, murderer, mutilator, monster---no adjective is lowly enough to describe YOU.

[psy]

The school will work on these issues and Brendans tendencies towards lying will be addressed if this is an issue with him.

Oh you can be sure of that.  By the time he's done with the program he won't dare say a single word against them...

Its always a good idea to keep the childs world as small as possible and not introduce too many outside influences early on.

Right.  Milieu control.

apparently, she and b's dad have "homework" to do everyday and are held accountable by the therapists.

Yes.  only "held accountable" holds an entirely different meaning in program.  This is called loading the language.

b is also receiving therapy every day (so we are told) by the chief therapist (again, so we are told). this is not the norm as far as we can see. again, we think they are individualizing a bit because of our intense scrutiny.

If they mean "the critics will fucking rape us unless this kid is treated like royalty" then, yes.  That would be accurate.  But don't go overboard with him.  I'm sure notice if he's given preferential treatment.  He's as much a witness as a victim.  Remember that.

This is a great idea.  There are many people who have never heard of diamond Ranch before and this action could bring it to the forefront.  If it works out well and this gets enough media attention they may want to interview the family.

Maybe they can interview the kid after he gets out.  Remember Zack Stark who, after the ex-gay program which uses similar methods to DRA, suddenly claimed he was no longer gay.  Amazing what you can do with a closed environment and thought reform!  Hey.  I have a better idea.  Why don't we wait a few years and interview him then.  I would bet money that just as Zack Stark is once again gay, this kid will also be quite a bit less confused.

[Whooter]

the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.

Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google

If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail.  Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article.  Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?

Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year.  How about an amber alert!!!  or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.

Just 1!!!

No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.  Yet you have a tough time with this?  Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused?  forced to read, to do your homework?  Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?


If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

Nope kidnapping IS kidnapping. Whether the courts wish to judge kidnapping as a criminal matter or not is another manner. Forcing a person to work is slavery. The courts refused to recognize slavery as a crime for 100s of years, but that didn't make it any less slavery (or criminal for that matter.)

Meanwhile, civil suits from the victims of the people you represent for the crime of kidnapping and false imprisonment have been successful. You tend to settle these quietly, as you are cowards.
http://www.isaccorp.org/brightway/brigh ... 03.03.html

What will make me feel better is people like you rotting in prison. That day is fast approaching, murderer, mutilator, monster---no adjective is lowly enough to describe YOU.

But until now, you cannot bring forth a single person who has been sent to prison for kidnapping......period!!!!  The law is the law and you are wrong.  Its not kidnapping, its not abuse, they are not gulags and the kids are not detainees.  This is just a play you are in and have created for yourself.  The rest of the world disagrees with you and 99% of the kids are helped by these programs and move on with their lives.  You are stuck in neutral and have a closed mind...wake up!!!!

 If you want to leave the country and try to peddle your private laws somewhere else that is fine but this is America.  If a parent wants to ground their kid or force them to work, clean their room etc. then they are entitled to.  you are just spoiled and want to sit back and let the rest of us support your lazy ass while you bitch because you havent had your day in court.  Well get over it, get a job, raise some kids and join society instead of siting on the sidelines critisizing everyone else and creating drama for others to live with.

[Anonymous]

the media has been all over it. There are many many articles about abduction, imprisonment (and torture and brainwashing) by the gulags you are emotionally enmeshed in, as cult disciples.

Guest posted one, others are easily accessible to anyone who can google

If there are many then posting one example of where a gulag kidnapped a child and the police tracked the kidnappers down and put them in jail.  Out of the thousands you should be able to find one link to one article.  Did they give the kidnappers the death sentence?

Just one article where the kidnappers were caught and sentenced... only 1 of the 1,000's that occur each year.  How about an amber alert!!!  or americas most wanted, one of these abductions would be sure to make it on one of those shows, hell, they feature 20 year olds who are lost in the woods they must have a few of these kidnappings on their show.

Just 1!!!

No the kidnapper was not put in jail. For whatever reasons, law enforement allows these "help" organizations to kidnap people, as you well know, john d.

So it is not against the law and you cannot produce one person who went to jail.  Kidanpping is against the law, so this isnt kidnapping,  no PhD or law degree needed for this one.  Yet you have a tough time with this?  Now based on your definitions what should we think when you say you were abused?  forced to read, to do your homework?  Why do you stretch the truth and definitions like this?


If it makes you feel any better I still see the person who use to drive the yellow vehicle that abducted me every morning and he is still running free.  Never went to jail either.  We are all just used and abused souls.

From the previously posted Time Magazine article, "Is This A Camp Or Jail?":

David van Blarigan found another way to try to take back his freedom. When he got off the plane in Jamaica, the escort team from Tranquility Bay was late meeting him. That gave him time to call a friend and neighbor, Neil Aschemeyer, who is also an administrative-law judge. Aschemeyer got in touch with Robert Hutchins, head of the Alameda County district attorney's child-abduction unit. And Hutchins went to court to petition for David's release. For the moment, he isn't bringing criminal charges, but he regards the teenager's abduction as kidnapping. "When they sent this so-called escort service to pick up their boy, they took him against his will," Hutchins says. "That's kidnapping." Normally, a parent cannot kidnap his own child, but Hutchins argues that by giving Tranquility Bay the power to "restrain, control and detain" their son for a year, they effectively handed over custody of him, which, he says, California case law prohibits. Hutchins also contends that David's brief examination at Brightway was a sham and that his parents had already signed a yearlong contract with Tranquility Bay.[/list]

^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read

[Whooter]

^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read

We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts  disagree with you.  They found the child was not kidnapped.  The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.

If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping?  Do these bus drivers end up in court if the kid says he wants to go home and the bus doesnt turn around?  Do you have pictures or news articles of bus drivers being handcuffed and hauled away? Do these parents end up in jail?  Where are all the news reports and arrests.  where is your evidence?

Why do you still keep missing the point that you are the only one that views the world this way.

[psy]

We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts  disagree with you.  They found the child was not kidnapped.

Really?  Was a police report filed?  How convenient Brendan is not around to do so and his parents will not cooperate as they were complicit in the crime.  If I recall correctly there was a kid who sucessfully sued his parents on this basis.  Frankly, I hope Brendan does the same, and I hope he includes the escort service and DRA on the list of plaintiffs.  What lawyer will represent him?  I know a good few. Ones who practice in Utah too.

The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.

"Help" which according to his friends he did not need.  Help he was not diagnosed for, and a "need" which was entirely subjectively decided by people who did not have the authority or expertise to do so.

Maybe the next rapist child abductor can simply argue that he was running a therapeutic program and the child needed "help".  Only difference there is the parents wouldn't approve.  What you're arguing is that kids are property without free will and whose parents have the right to permanently modify their consciousness, their very thinking, their very soul, to fit their subjective image of what is good and true.  What goes on in your average program is not "help".  It's not "therapy".  It's thought reform.

If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping?

And if a child is being abused at home and the parents want to cover their asses they can send him to a program where he won't be allowed to leave until he not just says, but believes, that his parents were wonderful people...  and that's ok with you.  Does it happen?  Sure.  I've seen it happen, personally.

[Anonymous]

^^ For the benefit of our idiot guest, who cannot read

We have all read the words, but the police, law enforcement and the courts  disagree with you.  They found the child was not kidnapped.  The parents had the child transported to a school where he will receive help.

If a child doesnt want to go to school and the parent picks the child up and takes him to highschool is this kidnapping?  Do these bus drivers end up in court if the kid says he wants to go home and the bus doesnt turn around?  Do you have pictures or news articles of bus drivers being handcuffed and hauled away? Do these parents end up in jail?  Where are all the news reports and arrests.  where is your evidence?

Why do you still keep missing the point that you are the only one that views the world this way.

I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.

If there weren't tons of media easily available through google about the subject, he'd be denying it, still--not just through inferences implied though ridiculous analogies, but bald faced lies.

remember the duplicity of this industry as indicated through its representatives John D reuben (whose kid killed himself after kidnap and imprisonment at academy at swift river and SUWS wilderness). Remember what their word, their promises are worth.

By the way, the prosecutor quoted considered kidnap, kidnap, as did the judges who allowed the suits of victims by aspen wwasp et al to come to court.

[Whooter]

I think readers should take note of this industry (john d reuben) troll's dishonesty. He knew the troubled teen industry kidnaps their victims yet pretended they don't.

I have been reading along and this Reuben guy, guest,, if that is who it is, has given you amble opportunity to provide evidence and no one was able to show anyone has ever gone to jail for these thousands of kidnappings as you call them.
You really should not be attacking him for asking the hard questions.  There just isn’t any evidence.  Anyone knows if someone is kidnapped then they chase the car down the street on foot if they can, get a license plate number and then call 911.  This shit will hit the media like a shit storm within an hour, guaranteed.  Yet you cannot make even one reference to an arrest or person going to jail.  All of us reading know no one was kidnapped or detained against their will anywhere. You live in a dream world and have missed your medication for the day.