i'm refusing to go back.

[Anya]

i'm refusing to go back to residential treatment this sunday. wish me luck.

[Anonymous]

good luck. you'll need it.

they will probably try to force you, so you should run away for a few days and hide out. then slowly, through secure means, attempt to re-establish contact with your parents and negotiate a deal. know that it is likely that your parents will hire escorts and report you missing, meaning you need to stay inside and avoid being spotted. if you have a cell phone, turn it off and take out the battery, and dont use it. parents have been known to sapoena cell companies and get their missing kid's gps location.

it really all depends on rich and intelligent your parents are. if you're middle-class and your parents are fairly dimwitted, you should be fine running away. if your parents are rich and smart...you'll never get away.

[Anonymous]

Post your parents' full names, addresses, and other dox here.

If we don't hear from you Monday, we'll use life-ruin tactics.

[Che Gookin]

Anya, bare minimum consider emailing me your school, name, and parent's particulars. If you don't show back up for a few days and you are ok with me making this public I'll happily release it here on fornits.

If you don't go.. I'll delete the information and hopefully life goes on for you.

If you do send me your information be as specific as possible about the school, the staff, the problems with the school, and as some names of sympathetic relatives.

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't suggest releasing your information to random people over the internet. You'll be fine, being sent to a program is not the end of the world.

[Curious George]

Anya,

I know you.  I've met you.  I recognize the name you are using.  I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail.  You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you.  You came out of your skin.  Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice.  So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.

Don't forget that your parents still love you.  You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.

Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman?  What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!!  (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)

Why did He tell them DON't?  Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt.  You are to young to truly be abused.  Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.

Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs.  They will kill you.  If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you.  The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay.  That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you.   Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.

Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want".   Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you.  I'd rather see you earn it.

CG

[Anonymous]

Anya,

I know you.  I've met you.  I recognize the name you are using.  I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail.  You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you.  You came out of your skin.  Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice.  So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.

Don't forget that your parents still love you.  You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.

Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman?  What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!!  (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)

Why did He tell them DON't?  Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt.  You are to young to truly be abused.  Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.

Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs.  They will kill you.  If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you.  The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay.  That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you.   Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.

Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want".   Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you.  I'd rather see you earn it.

CG

ugh what a nutjob. No, you dont know me, and i dont know you. I think you have the wrong person.

now that i've come to think of it, it seems to me that you think everyone here is the same person. lol.

[Anonymous]

Anya,

I know you.  I've met you.  I recognize the name you are using.  I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail.  You remember what it was like when you were locked up don't you.  You came out of your skin.  Parents can't protect you from this, if this is your choice.  So choose well and you will have to live with your decisions.

Don't forget that your parents still love you.  You may think they are shits or don't know shit but they have been there for you and were kids once too, and we still remember what it's like to be a kid, that's why we do the things we do.

Remember that little story in the bible when God creates man and woman?  What's the first thing God told them......DON'T!!!!!  (it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not)

Why did He tell them DON't?  Because he loved them with all His heart and didn't want them to feel pain and suffering that HE knew existed and couldn't bear to see them hurt.  You are to young to truly be abused.  Your parents weren't the abusers here, but the people you will hook up with will abuse you in ways you may never recover from.

Please try to stay away from the people that will use you and don't do the drugs.  They will kill you.  If you choose to stay away, remember, you'll be running for the rest of your life, you can't escape the things you did forever, they will eventually catch up to you.  The more you run, the more wrong things you do, the bigger the price you will pay.  That isn't a threat, that is what they will take from you.   Any you do KNOW who they are, don't you.

Do you remember...."the only way to live your life is to manipulate....and then you will get what you want".   Sometimes it's better not to get what you want and have things just handed to you.  I'd rather see you earn it.

CG

ugh what a nutjob. No, you dont know me, and i dont know you. I think you have the wrong person.

now that i've come to think of it, it seems to me that you think everyone here is the same person. lol.

Tehee, anya. I hope things are going well for you.

[Curious George]

Anya,

Yea, that's exactly what I expected you'd say, exactly.  If I've got the wrong person, so be it.  If not, stay safe anyway.

Advice still applies though.

CG

[try another castle]

I know you. I've met you. I recognize the name you are using. I'm wishing you luck and I hope you stay safe, but you need to know this is going to land you in more trouble, possibly even jail.

The only time Im going to give any credence to this continuing ridiculous argument about program vs. jail is from someone who has been to both, and can prove it.

Otherwise, it's not an official pepsi challenge.


In addition, no fucker here has nearly enough insight to know WHERE she is going to end up if she doesn't go back, so stop with the jail threat. It's very program.

Man, I got so fucking sick of all of the California kids being threatened with CYA when I was in Idaho... for doing things like having sex.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.

The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.

The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.

depends on the size of the jail. in a small rural country, yeah, jail is better. In a big city, or crime-infested suburb, it's a different story as is prison. I would choose the worst TBS for a year over going into the "tombs" (nyc central booking) or riker's island for a month.

-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail


all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare. In a jail, it's a fact of life.

[Inculcated]

The only time Im going to give any credence to this continuing ridiculous argument about program vs. jail is from someone who has been to both, and can prove it.

Otherwise, it's not an official pepsi challenge.


In addition, no fucker here has nearly enough insight to know WHERE she is going to end up if she doesn't go back, so stop with the jail threat. It's very program.

Man, I got so fucking sick of all of the California kids being threatened with CYA when I was in Idaho... for doing things like having sex.

I remember that in Daytop’s hypocrisy. The “you can leave anytime don’t let the door hit you in the…blah blah” blather was voiced by staff rather selectively. All of the kids in from TYC were on the receiving end of this more harshly than other kids. Even exchanges that weren’t centered on someone wanting to leave the program would be escalated to the “our way or hit the streets” speech, if a TYC kid happened to be objecting to something. The staff knew that the unspoken consequence of having their P.O. s called was usually enough to shut them down.
 Interestingly, N.H. made a decision that incarceration in Texas style JJ was the better choice for him than the program.
Lots of villains ca$h in on running program’ in prisons. Aint that a kick in the head?

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty sure more than one has been on this board, and the general consensus is that jail is a much better place.

The guards have restrictions on their behavior in jail.

depends on the size of the jail. in a small rural country, yeah, jail is better. In a big city, or crime-infested suburb, it's a different story as is prison. I would choose the worst TBS for a year over going into the "tombs" (nyc central booking) or riker's island for a month.

-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail


all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare. In a jail, it's a fact of life.

There aren't too many juveniles that are sent to Riker's Island. That's a bit over the top.

As far as your standard detention centers or juvies go, the mind fuckery is a LOT less than in even the cushiest soft-pedaling program.

Bad things can happen anywhere, for sure, but I've been in both and worse things happened to me in program than happened in juvie. The people running programs don't see themselves accountable to anyone and they know they can get away with it.

[blombrowski]

As a New Yorker, everything that's been said about Riker's is true.  Teenagers have died at Rikers.  The conditions are brutal.  Sure there's a lot less mindfuckery, but as for which is worse, it's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison.

For some kids a program is worse and for some kids Rikers would be worse.  Depends on the state, and depends on what a person can tolerate physically and emotionally.  I can see where being 17 and in prison would actually be better than a program in New York State, but in reality our jails and juvenile detention facilities are worse that even our correctional system.  The DOJ report is evidence of that.