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Offline Curious George

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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2009, 12:19:10 AM »
To all,

CALO makes it a point to allow teens to "choose" not to have contact and engage their parents.

CALO therapists have made statements that they cannot "MAKE" the children do therapy and talk to their parents.  They will actively deny the parents the right to speak to their own children.  Last time I checked, the parents have every right to speak to their child in most every state of this union.  

Hello????  Why in gods name are they paid for not doing what they were hired to do?

When pushed they cite confidentiality, but guess what, nothing is confidential to the parents of these minors.  Even though Ken thinks it is.

Ken, we hope you enjoy your upcoming legal battle.  See you in court.

CG
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #61 on: September 21, 2009, 04:04:28 AM »
Well, while I respect the rights of the children to refuse to speak to the people who put them into the program... it does seem a bit self-defeating in the long run if the goal of the program is to reunite children with their families.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #62 on: September 21, 2009, 08:56:39 AM »
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That contains the insinuation that Ken Huey may have killed the girl and hid her body.

This insinuation has the potential to be dead-on accurate, as Ken Huey is a sociopath.

No, further up in the thread someone asked about kids who split and were never found. Jerry's name came to mind. I should have quoted that, sorry.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #63 on: September 21, 2009, 11:55:12 AM »
Che Gookin,

I agree in some cases but not in the ones where the children are doing something illegal or harmful to themselves or others.

RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances.  This just adds to the problems.

RAD kids doing the above should never be in control of their parents.  If the parents are "abusers" then fine.  However, for the "normal" parent who isn't an abuser, then the kids should never be allowed to choose to ignore the ones holding them accountable for their actions.  What will happen if this type of Kid hits the streets at 18?  Then they will really learn that society or the police don't care about them at all.  We are the only ones who truly care.  The rest of the world will let them die in a gutter.  Just ask CALO if they have helped anyone once the money for their tuition stops.  Once the money stops, the trust of care stops and then we know what is what.

CALO does not hold kids accountable, they take the "punishment" out of relationships...what ever that means.  That is the doctor spock treatment, it didn't work 30 years ago and it doesn't work now.  After all, aren't all his kids in jail?  At least that is what I heard.

Also I would like Ken to define for us what an abuser is....and the diffence between discipline and punishment...is it normal discipline, a boot in the ass, yelling, in-your face accountability, or actual real life consequences for certain actions????????   Which is it Ken???

After all, doesn't a football, wrestling or hockey coach do that????  Then again Ken seems to be the home-economics type.

For all the doctors and PHD's out there, i guess that's why it's called "PRACTICING" medicine rather than "PROVIDING" medicine.

CALO is a cash register, performing R&D on our children at thier's and our families expense to further tweak, advertise and gain market control for thier snake-oil, unproven model.

Let's shut them down, hold each and every one of them personally and professionally responsible, get refunds and possibly punative damages and make sure they don't ever get a chance to work with kids again.  Let's send them back to Utah where they belong.

CG
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #64 on: September 21, 2009, 12:58:25 PM »
The ultimate in accountability for a kid in CALO is being in CALO. As for RAD, I think you are going to have a hard time convincing anyone here on fornits, well at least me, that this is indeed a legit medical diagnosis. More than a few of us probably wish they'd take the DSM guide and burn it.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #65 on: September 21, 2009, 03:53:22 PM »
Che,

I agree.  I don't think RAD is legitimate either.  Whether this is RAD, bi-polar, ADHD or green eggs and ham, I can't tell you.  I agree that it's a label for something no one really understands at this moment in time.  What we do know is the behaviors are very similar, almost identical.  I know of families with "RAD" kids who are now adults and their behavior has not changed.  Some are currently serving 30 years for molesting their own children.  So the abuse goes on, lives are destroyed and no-one is accountable.  Even this person will get out of jail, probably in the next 5 years and begin the process again.

As always, when pushed and ultimately cornered, the "professionals" then turn on the parents, start pointing fingers and blame them.  Maybe it's true for abusive parents, but what about the ones that don't abuse the children....they get blamed as well.  So CALO goes on with their happy lives, all the time being part of the problem and laughing all the way to the bank.

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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #66 on: September 21, 2009, 06:05:28 PM »
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RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances. This just adds to the problems.

RAD kids doing the above should never be in control of their parents. If the parents are "abusers" then fine. However, for the "normal" parent who isn't an abuser, then the kids should never be allowed to choose to ignore the ones holding them accountable for their actions.

Sounds like the only thing a "reactive attachment disorder" kid does is treat you with exactly as much respect as you deserve.

Given the circumstances under which they grow up- being inculcated with bullshit by people who claim to love them but actually don't give a flying fuck- this is their only logical train of thought. Things might be otherwise if you attempted to teach them anything other than lies, but since this isn't the case you'll see an epidemic of rationality in children, particularly given the pervasive influence of public society that no longer treats any of this as a good thing. The Internet only speeds up the process.

It's the kids who DON'T have some form of this, and people like you, that have the fucking problem.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #67 on: September 22, 2009, 06:17:54 AM »
I'm hearing from people who know about the kids at CALOthat the problems  really  are the parents. Now this isn't a blanket condemnation of all CALO parents either, I'm certain there are those who absolutely this does not apply to.

For those who it does and they are familiar with this recipe,

1) Adopt child.
2) Turn child over to nanny
3) Ignore child for 10 years.
4) Wonder why their own child thinks they are a stranger.
5) Get angry because child is ignoring them.
6) ship the kid to a shrink when the kid starts having problems.
7) program

Now this is very true for some of the parents at CALO. What percentage of of them I have no idea and I won't make a guess either. I'm a strong believer in the saying garbage in, garbage out. It doesn't surprise me that these parents who believe their children are "fashionable accessories" to their life style are finding themselves with a kid who is suffering from all sorts of issues. Being abandoned twice can't be helpful to anyone.

Good news parents, I have it on good account from a lady who adopted a seven year old and struggled with her for a few years that hard work, time, and consistency will pay off if you are willing to put out the effort.

It's not too late to love your children. Bring them home and be a parent to them.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #68 on: September 22, 2009, 09:32:42 PM »
Guest,

Well, someone taught them this or produced these effects.  But it wasn't me.  To che,  Yes, it starts with an adoptive child.

Sequence should read, adoped a RAD child already messed up by someone else, pay with your soul trying to help, have the professionals blame you for the damage caused by someone else and risk the security of your natual family.  What about those of us that didn't cause these problems that these kids blame because they can't blame the ones who actually hurt them.  Should we sacrifice the innocent for the guilty?

How does that fit into the equation?
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #69 on: September 22, 2009, 09:37:37 PM »
You come off like a heartless dumb ass. If you're adoptive child blames you it is probably because you're compounding the issue (ie: a problem parent)
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2009, 09:44:14 PM »
To U Dum Dum,

How many RAD children have you raised or tried to help?  My guess would be ZERO.

Do you have experience in this or are you talking out of your ass.  Anyone who knows anything, knows you are talking out of your ass.

Have you stepped up to the plate, have you played in the arena?  Seems you are a armchair expert.
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2009, 11:21:05 PM »
All right CG, first off? If you're going to change your name, at least have the dignity to change your writing style and lines of argument. TheWho is beating you in this, and he's as transparent as fetus skin.

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Sequence should read, adoped a RAD child already messed up by someone else, pay with your soul trying to help, have the professionals blame you for the damage caused by someone else and risk the security of your natual family.

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How many RAD children have you raised or tried to help?

So wait, you actually thought that you could adopt a kid with mistrust of anyone claiming authority and then magically, mystically, and probably through the power of JEE-ZUS, turn him into a loving, caring, little boy like some sort of shitty 80's cartoon?

This is hubris blended with idiocy. It's like combining Everclear with bleach and then chugging the whole thing.

No, seriously, is that honestly how you think these things work? What would possess you to believe this for a half second? What the fuck kind of books have you been reading, or not been reading? Fucking listen to yourself! Who the hell do you think you are? If you had some supreme psychological skill, deviousness, and/or at least a SHRED of real empathy you might have at least a casino chance at it. But this? THIS is how you're going to raise a child who spent his formative years in abuse? PffftttBWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You've got to be joking. The wholly-conditional, self-serving lines of shit you pull on them, and are now trying to feed us, are worse than useless. You call this kind of shit love? I've seen used dog food more valuable than your love.

So why does CG want her kid out of CALO? Not because it's a shithole. Not because of the disturbing crap on their webpage. It's because...

Quote from: "Evil"
RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances.

...she doesn't think CALO smashes down the kids' spirits ENOUGH.

This has got to be some kind of fucking record. She's playing in the WWASPS league now. C'mon CG! Swing for the fences! Let's see how much of a selfish, psychotic bitch you can be!
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2009, 12:42:10 AM »
Quote from: "Curious George"
CALO makes it a point to allow teens to "choose" not to have contact and engage their parents.

CALO therapists have made statements that they cannot "MAKE" the children do therapy and talk to their parents.  They will actively deny the parents the right to speak to their own children.  Last time I checked, the parents have every right to speak to their child in most every state of this union.  

Restricted contact between children and their parents is common in the Troubled Teen Industry, most times because the program needs a trained salesman in the clients ear to reassure that they are getting the service they are paying for. Therapy between the parents and children is also monitored in order to prevent the child from saying anything negative about the program, which is often referred to as "manipulation"... In any other therapy center this kind of practice would be highly frowned upon. I'm still surprised that program parents fall for this, and more so don't make some noise about these harmful policies. but honestly, sometimes the parents want their children out of their lives so badly that they will ignore all the signs. Ignorance may be bliss but it can ruin your child's life... so wake the eff up.

Quote from: "Curious George"
RAD kids are professional manipulators and liars and CALO encourages the kids to be in control in these circumstances.  This just adds to the problems.

Wait wait wait, let me get this straight, children who have attachment issues are automatically professional manipulators? How is that conducive to repairing a strained relationship if you judge everything they say as some grand scheme?... Do you even want a relationship with this kid or is this more about your own issues and emotional voids? I'm sorry to break it to you but not every kid is required to love their parents and in many cases that's completely justified. You can't force your child to love and trust you, especially when you use tactics of tough love, excessive punishment and especially sending them off to a program. I don't understand the theory that program parents have that sending their child away could possibly improve their relationship, I have only seen it solidify the mistrust and in some cases HATE that kids come to harbor for their parents.

Quote from: "Curious George"
CALO does not hold kids accountable, they take the "punishment" out of relationships...what ever that means.

I don't mean to be attacking you CG, in fact I hate when people come on Fornits to attack parents, but what I just can't understand is why you could possibly be pissed off with a program because they aren't doling out enough punishment?... that is like the ultimate oxy moron... Do you even know what goes on day to day in a program like CALO? These kids are systematically punished every minute of the day, not to mention the fact you exiled them there in the first place, and its for some reason a surprise that they don't really feel like talking to you?... I'm sorry but that just makes no sense.

I support your vigor to go after CALO but GEBUS lady get a grip!! your practically a walking contradiction. I suggest you do some more research on the Troubled Teen Industry as a whole before you come onto Fornits hoping we will side with you on an issue like this, I'm sorry to say but you have got yourself ass backwards. Like I said, you have every right to be concerned about CALO, but its not because they are enabling your child's behavior, if anything, they are enabling abusive behavior toward your child and that is what should be of concern. Your child is not your enemy, stop thinking like he is and for the love of god try to protect him.

Just remember, and this is true for all program parents, the program can only hurt your child if you let them, if your bigoted enough to fall for their tough love marketing scheme and ignorant enough to keep believing their lies despite all the information available for you to see the truth, then you deserve for your kid not to love you.

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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2009, 12:45:22 PM »
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RAD kids doing the above should never be in control of their parents
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No one can control you if you don't let them

 
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If the parents are "abusers" then fine.  However, for the "normal" parent who isn't an abuser
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depends on what is considered "normal"  By the way do you know or care why he doesn't want to talk with you?  Maybe it has something to do with knowing he is not considered part of your "natural family" and resents your power struggle?
  what.

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CALO does not hold kids accountable, they take the "punishment" out of relationships...what ever that means.  That is the doctor spock treatment, it didn't work 30 years ago and it doesn't work now.  After all, aren't all his kids in jail?  At least that is what I heard.

Uh you "heard" that?  Actually his kids have never been in jail; I'll bet you "heard" that CALO is a great place

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Also I would like Ken to define for us what an abuser is....and the diffence between discipline and punishment...is it normal discipline, a boot in the ass, yelling, in-your face accountability, or actual real life consequences for certain actions????????   Which is it Ken???

After all, doesn't a football, wrestling or hockey coach do that????  Then again Ken seems to be the home-economics type.
:rofl:  Actually in this world a coach with his boot up the ass of a student would be fired and sued.
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CALO is a cash register, performing R&D on our children at thier's and our families expense to further tweak, advertise and gain market control for thier snake-oil, unproven model
.  Duh, hello, they are ALL like that.  A little slow on the uptake, aren't you?

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Let's shut them down, hold each and every one of them personally and professionally responsible, get refunds and possibly punative damages and make sure they don't ever get a chance to work with kids again.  Let's send them back to Utah where they belong.

So you would be happy if "your" child was punished more and it cost you less?  Sort of like K-Mart meets Guantanamo...
You actually make a really good case for leaving "your" child at CALO; there really are some people and home environments that are so vile that CALO is actually an improvement
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Re: CALO Escape?
« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2009, 02:40:48 PM »
Seems like Femanon has it right, the rest of you need help, and I am not looking for your support or to convince you of anything.  I don't need you to tell me I'm right or wrong or to make assumptions about things, that you have no clue what you are talking about.

I am seeking out parents and children who have direct experience with CALO who can truly expose them for what they are and hope it doesn't happen again.

The rest of you seem like kids that do hate their parents or have been in these programs but have not learned a damn thing that your parents were trying to teach you before you got placed there.  

Quite simply, it was the bad behavior that got you there.  So how are your ramblings going to help from someone else getting put into CALO.  Difference between you and me boys.  What are you doing?  Because I wasn't the one who put my child in there, you got that from now on?

For those "real" parents that have tried everything to help these kids, we are rewarded by exactly what you and the rest of the so called professionals do.  You blame the parents.  Where is your accountability?

It's easy to blame the fact you didn't get your wheaties or you weren't breast fed or your older sister got all the attention, isn't it.  When push comes to shove, it's all an excuse.

There has been alot tougher people in history that have overcome much more worse situations than yours.

In my household, my childrent are my life.  Adopted and/or RAD children have been loved and treated equally, even more than the biological children.  We have spent 85% of our time on the RAD kids and the remaining on the natural children.  And what are we doing to the other children that only get the 15%.  What new disorder is watiting to be named for them by the "professionals"

So if RAD kids have most of our attention, treated equally well or better, have been made part of the family, why do they continue to hurt the others.  
Well here's the answer,  75% of RAD starts off in the womb and for the 1st 3 years of life.  By the time they come to us.  75% of the damage is already done.  These kids hurt and they don't know why and they want others to feel their pain.

So for all you litte hate mongers...it is not our fault your parents were junkies or didn't give you the nurturing necessary for babies to bond to and trust their parents.  We are the ones trying to help you.

After all, I don't do drugs, my natural childrent don't do drugs but the RAD ones do.  All kinds too.
I don't molest children, but the RAD kids do.  The natural ones don't
I'm not out breaking the law, skipping school, scarring my body, destroying other peoples property and lieing like it's no tomorrow.  No judgments here "Guest" it's a fact.

I care for others, yet the RAD cares for only what they want.  Immediate gratification.

It's your actions that got you landed in places like CALO.  If your parents are as bad as you say, why aren't they in jail.  If you've learned this from them as you claim then they should be in jail, along with the ones that perpetuate this lie, meaning CALO.

I'll bet your parents warned you constantly that this was going to happen, but guess what, you didn't listen and you didn't care.  Well here it is.  I don't like CALO as much as you.  I certainly don't like the asshole parents that may have abused you, I down right detest the junkie, no good parents that abandons their child.

Just don't blame the ones who tried to help.  When you are 18 and continue to act the way you have, you can look forward to a life spent in jail, this is not my opinion this is simply a fact.  A judge won't care your parents were assholes.  So grow up become real men and women and don't continue the cycle that you are a part of.  Learn from it and take some damn action like I am instead of just complaining about it all the time.

CG
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