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Aside from Kids-style fraud, which would go a long way to explaining All About Receiving Cash, nee Kids of the Canadian West, another incentive for promoting the Calgary miracle factory seems to swirl around those who fell in love with AARC and the Wiz.
Drug Courts.  
Although the Toronto experiment only managed to get 16% of participants to finish the program, this concept has folks very excited in Alberta.  In Edmonton the drug courts send folks to AADAC, but according to long-time friend of the Wiz and former Alberta Justice Minister Ron Stevens, the use of existing community facilities in drug courts is absolutely essential in these courts being effective.  What is the existing community facility in Calgary for young offenders?  Why it's the former Miss Kids of the Canadian West!
Does this explain Mr. Stevens willingness to emit AARC's curious 85% success rate while reiterating the Union Institute endorsements for New Kids on Forge Road?
http://justice.gov.ab.ca/hansard/spring ... px?id=5172
Aside from world-famous clinician and academic F. Deane Vause, there don't seem to be a lot of mental health professionals writing on the merits of NKOFR.
Here's what this fellow has to say:
http://www.publichealth.ualberta.ca/new ... tory=91425
Although Dr. Wild does not have a PhD from the Union Institute, perhaps his research bears a little attention.  In the meantime, the search for a medical justification for Zero Club goes on apace.
Let us close with the immortal Darth Vause:
"Sometimes you have to step in front of a kid that sick, although the risks for us as an organization are great because we don't want to leave ourselves open to accusations of unlawful confinement.  That's why we require them to sign a consent."

[psy]

we require them to sign a consent

Anybody see anything wrong with that statement?  It's like "we force them to consent".  Maybe rapists can get off on the same concept if they bash the victim's face in until they say "yes".  If I'm not mistaken, any contracts signed under duress are void.

For more info, read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duress

[wdtony]

Yeah, I had to sign a consent to treatment form, after hours being detained in an intake room, restrained several times, yelled at, interrogated, held without food or water. I think they realized I wasn't going to sign it so they just lied to me and said that if I signed it I could go home and come back to the program tomorrow.

Well, I was a pretty stupid 14 year old kid so I signed it, I mean I was really exhausted anyway. Instead of going home, I was re-routed to another intake room and strip searched which was fairly similar to the Over the GW scene when that kid was strip searched. Then I went into the group.

Duress voids all contracts, waivers etc. but if you are held prisoner, who are you going to tell you were forced to sign under duress? Plus, I am not sure what the laws are on minors signing over consent. You would think if that were the case, they could also sign themselves out.

[Anonymous]

Colon cancer?

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I had to sign a consent to treatment form, after hours being detained in an intake room, restrained several times, yelled at, interrogated, held without food or water. I think they realized I wasn't going to sign it so they just lied to me and said that if I signed it I could go home and come back to the program tomorrow.

Well, I was a pretty stupid 14 year old kid so I signed it, I mean I was really exhausted anyway. Instead of going home, I was re-routed to another intake room and strip searched which was fairly similar to the Over the GW scene when that kid was strip searched. Then I went into the group.

Duress voids all contracts, waivers etc. but if you are held prisoner, who are you going to tell you were forced to sign under duress? Plus, I am not sure what the laws are on minors signing over consent. You would think if that were the case, they could also sign themselves out.

Damn Tony - your intake sounded just about like mine.  Only diff was I was 17 and I was told I could leave on my 18th b-day which was 6 days after I entered straight....18 months later, I left.

[wdtony]

Yeah, I had to sign a consent to treatment form, after hours being detained in an intake room, restrained several times, yelled at, interrogated, held without food or water. I think they realized I wasn't going to sign it so they just lied to me and said that if I signed it I could go home and come back to the program tomorrow.

Well, I was a pretty stupid 14 year old kid so I signed it, I mean I was really exhausted anyway. Instead of going home, I was re-routed to another intake room and strip searched which was fairly similar to the Over the GW scene when that kid was strip searched. Then I went into the group.

Duress voids all contracts, waivers etc. but if you are held prisoner, who are you going to tell you were forced to sign under duress? Plus, I am not sure what the laws are on minors signing over consent. You would think if that were the case, they could also sign themselves out.

Damn Tony - your intake sounded just about like mine.  Only diff was I was 17 and I was told I could leave on my 18th b-day which was 6 days after I entered straight....18 months later, I left.

Did they court order you, lie to you about being court ordered or just wouldn't let you leave?

Staff would tell us that we could be held there til we were 18. But they also would occasionally make the remark that they could easily have us court ordered until we were 21 if we made it to 18 without completing the program. I think they may have lied to some kids who were 18 and said they were court ordered even if they weren't, just to keep them there. But I was only 14 and one month at that age seemed like an eternity, especially in that hell-hole. My hope of "aging out" ran out quick.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I had to sign a consent to treatment form, after hours being detained in an intake room, restrained several times, yelled at, interrogated, held without food or water. I think they realized I wasn't going to sign it so they just lied to me and said that if I signed it I could go home and come back to the program tomorrow.

Well, I was a pretty stupid 14 year old kid so I signed it, I mean I was really exhausted anyway. Instead of going home, I was re-routed to another intake room and strip searched which was fairly similar to the Over the GW scene when that kid was strip searched. Then I went into the group.

Duress voids all contracts, waivers etc. but if you are held prisoner, who are you going to tell you were forced to sign under duress? Plus, I am not sure what the laws are on minors signing over consent. You would think if that were the case, they could also sign themselves out.

Damn Tony - your intake sounded just about like mine.  Only diff was I was 17 and I was told I could leave on my 18th b-day which was 6 days after I entered straight....18 months later, I left.

Did they court order you, lie to you about being court ordered or just wouldn't let you leave?

Staff would tell us that we could be held there til we were 18. But they also would occasionally make the remark that they could easily have us court ordered until we were 21 if we made it to 18 without completing the program. I think they may have lied to some kids who were 18 and said they were court ordered even if they weren't, just to keep them there. But I was only 14 and one month at that age seemed like an eternity, especially in that hell-hole. My hope of "aging out" ran out quick.

Well, let me remember....it was back in 1978 that I went into straight.  I was told after about 10 hours of intake that if I didn't sign myself in, I would be court ordered and I could leave in just 6 days if I didn't like it at straight.  So on my 18th b-day, I raised my hand for hte 1st time and told staff I wanted to leave.  The resopnse from staff was "well, I won't stop you but the kids in group love you so much that they will stop you".  With that, I bolted for the door and was gang tackled by about 3 kids, sat on for an entire rap (maybe 1 or more hours) and then on the floor while kids sang (to drown out my screams and yelling).  I was then thrown in group and restrained by 3 more kids until I was so exhausted that I just gave up.  Tried to "split" 3 other times as new comer and then on 4th phase, I just walked away from school.   My brainwashed mother told me that she would not let me live at home unless I finished the program....I had no job, no place to go, most of my buddies were in straight or and the ones that were not would have nothing to do with me at that point as i was a straightling.  I re-entered the program and got my brain rinsed adn became a straightling.

[wdtony]

As with most straight stories, that is terrible.

I spent so many years trying to forget about that place, sometimes I want to go back to putting it out of my mind.

See, KHK execs told us that it was the only program like it and I always assumed this was the case. 2 years ago when I started reading about straight and the troubled teen industry, I was floored. I realized this was a much larger problem and that is the only reason I decided to get active.

It boggles my mind how this type of abuse can occur and no criminal prosecution of the executive/administrative staff results. It's not like people haven't made enough noise.

I remember getting started over on 5th phase for sharing with the group. That was a mind-f#%k. And started over on 3rd for leaving a paper at home that we weren't even told to bring into group.

[Anonymous]

As with most straight stories, that is terrible.

I spent so many years trying to forget about that place, sometimes I want to go back to putting it out of my mind.

See, KHK execs told us that it was the only program like it and I always assumed this was the case. 2 years ago when I started reading about straight and the troubled teen industry, I was floored. I realized this was a much larger problem and that is the only reason I decided to get active.

It boggles my mind how this type of abuse can occur and no criminal prosecution of the executive/administrative staff results. It's not like people haven't made enough noise.

I remember getting started over on 5th phase for sharing with the group. That was a mind-f#%k. And started over on 3rd for leaving a paper at home that we weren't even told to bring into group.

Have we? Did you report what was done to you at KHK to the police? It seems that people simply don't report these crimes...

[psy]

Have we? Did you report what was done to you at KHK to the police? It seems that people simply don't report these crimes...

Yes.  I'm sure he asked the program for the telephone to call the cops and they happily obliged.

[Anonymous]

Have we? Did you report what was done to you at KHK to the police? It seems that people simply don't report these crimes...

Yes.  I'm sure he asked the program for the telephone to call the cops and they happily obliged.

presumably he left Straight eventually. Why not call the cops at that point? It appears that psychological issues prevent people from reporting these crimes in a timely manner. Something is preventing efficient reportage, anyway

[psy]

Have we? Did you report what was done to you at KHK to the police? It seems that people simply don't report these crimes...

Yes.  I'm sure he asked the program for the telephone to call the cops and they happily obliged.

presumably he left Straight eventually. Why not call the cops at that point? It appears that psychological issues prevent people from reporting these crimes in a timely manner.

That and the statute of limitations.  Also, how many fresh out of program realize or even consider the possibility that what went on was even remotely illegal?  After all they were told it was rehab and therapy and so forth.   Without other knowledge of those thing entail what went on seems normal.  If it's like the program I was in I was told I signed away my rights and so forth.  How many going into program have a law degree or enough legal knowledge to know that's not possible, especially under duress?  You also forget how many come out genuinely mindfucked into thinking they were "helped", despite the fact they're often objectively worse off.

[Anonymous]

Let us close with the immortal Darth Vause:
"Sometimes you have to step in front of a kid that sick, although the risks for us as an organization are great because we don't want to leave ourselves open to accusations of unlawful confinement. That's why we require them to sign a consent."

They discussed this at AARC. One kid said they tricked him into signing, as he believed he was signing something else. A clinical staff member said, "Maybe you should make sure you know what you're signing before you sign it." This was followed by laughter. Another kid said they had a one on one meeting that didn't end until he signed himself in. They have kids sign a consent then they are under 18, post dated for when they're over 18.

If a kid is sick, they need medical attention. Not a quack preacher man following in the footsteps of another quack preacher manQ