RIP this facebook site about RMA apart!

[Anonymous]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85436140553

[TheWho]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=85436140553

Why would you want to do that?  It is just a bunch of people who want to get back together and talk about old times.  They are working on getting a reunion going.  It all seems very positive to me.  Why would talking about your past experiences be threatening to you or a bad thing for others?

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't say it's simply a group for people simply interested in"talking about the old times," unless you consider 'blown away the Idaho way'  just a guy out for nostalgia. It would be good for the victims to post their accounts alongside the brainwashed---but I see those posts get deleted?

When the torturers and guards of the CEDU gulag are successfully sued into bankruptcy and imprisoned then there will be a very "positive" group to sit around and talk about that experience.

It would be interesting to compare what proportion of  AARC survivors are "positive" about their time being being tortured v CEDU the surivors.

Brainwashed CEDU victim:

 Kevin wrote at 10:43am on August 11th, 2009
"The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling..."

[Kevin, most people don't like getting brainwashed and tortured!}


Brainwashed AARC victim:
"When "powerless" was first aired, I just laughed and shook my head because not only was it completely biased, but the graduates and people who have witnessed the good AARC has done for individuals and families know the difference between the truth and what the media portrays as the "truth".  I am so grateful for AARC and all it's done for me, my family, and my friends. "

[TheWho]

So why force your feelings on them?  Why not let it all fall where it may?  Some will see their past as positive and others as negative.  Why weigh one above the other?

Your quote from Kevin went on to say:

"Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!"

If you look at the percentage of kids who attend even a regular highschool reunion it is small.  People from RMA came from different parts of the country and many kids look back on their time in a program as a rough patch in their life (not exactly the high point) and many would rather not go back there.

[Anonymous]

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic ... #post63622


Kevin does not recall abuse taking place at RMA while he was there.  You guys should add your input.

[Anonymous]

So why force your feelings on them?  Why not let it all fall where it may?  Some will see their past as positive and others as negative.  Why weigh one above the other?

Your quote from Kevin went on to say:

"Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!"

If you look at the percentage of kids who attend even a regular highschool reunion it is small.  People from RMA came from different parts of the country and many kids look back on their time in a program as a rough patch in their life (not exactly the high point) and many would rather not go back there.

Why are you "forcing" your feelings onto us here by insinuating that CEDU was whatever you felt it was, as if there is no objective reality you pathetic troll?

FACT: CEDU abducted, imprisoned and subjected  victims to a variety of brainwashing techniques taken from a variety of cults including Synanon and Lifespring, held its victims incommunicado from the outside world so they could not reach help, used them as slaves, starved them of proper nutrients, and drove a percentage of its victims to suicide and insanity.

Whatever "goodness" successfully brainwashed people want to read into it does not change reality--nor does that make CEDU nothing more than a "rough patch."

I would assume people post there to prevent misinformation about an abusive, violent and murderous cult being disseminated--out of some respect to the victims of the place and to truth, for the same reasons people challenge holocaust deniers, you fucking slime-ball.

[Anonymous]

Are the first and second poster on this thread the same person?

[TheWho]

Or maybe you are trying to force everyone to see RMA thru your experiences without respecting theirs.  Why should your beliefs and experiences trump other peoples.  Kevin is expressing what he experienced and how he feels.  Would it be fair or right for a Muslim to kill you because you were a non believer?  Or behead you because you are gay?  Many extremists, like yourself, believe they are doing the right thing the same way you believe Kevin doesn’t deserve a voice to express his beliefs or talk about his past.

Let them speak the truth their own way.  They are not recruiting parents to send their kids away.  They are just trying to have a reunion because they have RMA in their past as a common thread.  Nothing evil about that.

[Oscar]

I added the group to our wiki datasheet.

I don't care what they talk about. I know that they at a point will learn that it was not the curriculum at the program which improved their lives. It was time.

All youth mature regardless if they are in a program or not. If they leave the program and their entire life improves from that point off, it is with 99,9% certainty because they mature while they were warehoused in the program.

In Denmark we have no requirements regarding education when it comes to establishing a group home. All we have it frequent unannouced inspections by the authorities. There are no statewide strategy about placing youth in care. It is about money and warehousing. Often the youth run off and then it is the job for the police to get them back, but with the one expection of Solhaven (Garden of sun) none try to impose a new identity on them. It is not necessary because time will do the job by itself.

But why having survivor groups on the wiki at all. Because a lot of the survivors are burdened with guilt over what they have been forced to do to their peers during raps. They need to meet those who were in the program with them at be forgiven. All to many time we are contacted by people who want to meet people who were in the program with them. They have left the program and started their lives as adults alone. They may have established families etc. But they are lonely when it comes to get the experiences they have seen during the program out of their system. I have never been in a program. I am not able to help them. They need to come to terms with other peers from the program.

If you was able to be a fly on the wall once they meet at the reunion you will learn that they are not there to celebrate that they completed the program, they are there to celebrate that they survived the program and when they have eaten a lot of good food and starts talking with a full stomach then the healing process starts.

[Anonymous]

Your quote from Kevin went on to say:

"Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!"

Actually the quote went on to say:
"The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling

To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.
"I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.
This is wrong.
Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!"

Can't stop lying, can ya, CEDUite, even have to misrepresent a brainwashed or 'fake' student's account about how  everyone he contacted was disgusted by CEDU.
 Freak, most people who survived Auschwitz will have "positive stories" since leaving the camps--that does not mean Aushwitz was unharmful. I'm sure that boy Mel Wassermen called "nigger" while forcing him to wash his feet has "positive stories" since leaving CEDU--if he didn't kill himself immediately afterward.

A true study  of CEDU survivors will find a group with many more suicides, institutionalizations, and (CEDU caused) suffering than even a group of teens hospitalized for psychiatric issues.  The contacts available through facebook(kevin's contacts) eliminates the suicides and institutionalized and leaves only a group interested in networking enough to set up a facebook account.  In MY 'peer group'  EVERYONE committed suicide or struggled mightily from what CEDU did to them before righting themselves--if they ever did. Though they will not say so to a casual acquaintance, let alone a CEDUite-- when a  stranger calls and asks how you're doing, you don't report your pain.

[Anonymous]

Your quote from Kevin went on to say:

"Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!"

Actually, the quote "went on to say":
"The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling
To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.
"I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.
This is wrong.
Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
"

Can't stop lying, can ya, CEDUite, even have to misrepresent a brainwashed or 'fake' student's account about how everyone he contacted was disgusted by CEDU?
 Freak, most  survivors of Auschwitz  have "positive stories" since leaving the camp--that does not mean Aushwitz was unharmful. I'm sure the boy Mel Wassermen called "nigger" while forcing him to wash his feet in the center of the peer denouncement circle has "positive stories" since leaving CEDU--if he didn't kill himself immediately afterward.

A true study  of CEDU survivors will find a group with many more suicides, institutionalizations, and (CEDU caused) suffering than even in a group of teens hospitalized for psychiatric issues.  The contacts available through facebook(kevin's contacts) eliminates the suicides and institutionalized, and leaves only those together enough to be interested in networking.  In MY 'peer group'  EVERYONE committed suicide or struggled mightily from what CEDU did to them before righting themselves--if they ever did. Though they will not say so to a casual acquaintance, let alone a CEDUite-- when a  stranger calls and asks how you're doing, you don't report pain.

[TheWho]

Seems everyone is guilty of just posting the parts they like.  

Here is the whole quote:

The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling.

That is my only regret.
To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.

I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.
This is wrong.
Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!

[Anonymous]

Seems everyone is guilty of just posting the parts they like.  

Here is the whole quote:

The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling.

That is my only regret.
To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.

I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.
This is wrong.
Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.
Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?
These are all good things!

Actually, John Reuben "everyone" is not "equally guilty of only quoting the parts they like."

I quoted him only to compare him with the brainwashed of the AARC--the entire post is useful for that, but the fact that no one but him was still drinking the kool-aid is striking.

There seem to be more brainwashed AARC victims than CEDU victims as everyone he contacted had (to paraphrase) "twisted their stay into hate" --that is to say, are not fond of being tortured and brainwashed.

[Anonymous]

Here is the whole quote:

The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling.  I wonder why?

That is my only regret.

To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.  There is a good reason for this!

I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.

This is wrong.

Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.  Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?  These are all good things!

[Anonymous]

John Reuben, when not driving my son to suicide likes to troll fornits! Maybe ya noticed!

Here is the whole quote:

The friendships while we were there are like family to me. However not a single person since that I have contacted has shared that same feeling. I wonder why?

That is my only regret.

To any RMA grad, to me you are family as we all have a bond, as we shared in education. But no a single person has a ability or want to return these feelings.  There is a good reason for this!

I am puzzled and amazed that such a deep and emotional experience can be twisted to such hate.

This is wrong.

Most of the stories I have heard since graduation have been positive and most have made a good life. I was in enough RAPS to know the evil and hate of your past lives.  Why is it so hard to connect again with my peers? Why is there no bond? Why is it not ok to be open?  These are all good things!

..

Like I said, in the first post, which thewho has since tried to distract from: Kevin, they "hate" CEDU because people who aren't brainwashed into confusion hate being abducted, imprisoned, used as a slave, tortured and brainwashed! Surprise !