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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #45 on: August 29, 2009, 05:54:13 PM »
Sorry, meant to say "The people running the program LIED to us,"
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2009, 05:58:45 PM »
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He's refering to ASR, actually well after Jill began posting here. ASR was doing (probably thanks to John's good friend, murderer Rudy Bentz) the same thing HLA did. Claiming everyone was certified when across the board when it turned out only a single staff member was actually licensed as they claimed to be, and he was apparently never there. John didnt prove any arguments that day, he just stuck his head in the sand again and denied the truth.


Well lets look recently:

Dysfunction Junction started this thread with the comment:


"Ridge Creek School's website claims that it is academically accredited by SACS and GAC, but a search of those entities reveals that RCS is in fact not accredited by either agency.

It appears the blatant fraudulent advertising continues from Buccellato. Where would a false advertising complaint be properly made in the state of Georgia?"


So DJ was trying to make everyone believe that he investigated Ridge Creek School and found them to be unaccredited (wanted to file petitions and complaints to the state to make it look like he really looked into it)  and if I had not challenged that (like I have done many times before) everyone would have assumed that they were not accredited.  But the red flags go up every time DJ makes a comment like this and almost every time he is proven to be wrong so finally the truth comes out and wala!!!  We find out that Ridge Creek is Accredited and once again we need to dig for the truth to overturn a baseless smear campaign by DJ.  
Why not fight agianst these places using the truth and facts?  Do you have such little to go on that you need to fabicate stories to attack these places?


Here is a link to facts :  (this is how it is done, Bruce)

Link

Ridge Creek/Mountain Brook Academy ACC 7-12 2011
830 Hidden Lake Road
Dahlonega, Georgia 30533
706-867-1720[/quote][/quote]
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2009, 06:58:41 PM »
It may be before my time on Fornits to which you are referring , however, our research went back to the inception of HLA to seek the truth and there was a clear pattern of unlicensed counselors, uncertified teachers, two unlicensed doctors, etc. which was marketed from HLA's beginning.  There were a handful throughout the years, but that was about it.
 In the Congressional record, working with the GAO, submitting ALL my documents to back up my statements, you will find starting at page 86 Hidden Lake Academy... other families submitted  for Congressional review. The  GAO requested report in letter form to Congressman Miller and the Committee,  this is my testimony re: Hidden Lake Academy.  Again, I stand by my statements, under oath.
 [PDF] CHILD ABUSE AND DECEPTIVE MARKETING BY RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS FOR ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
JILL OHANESIAN-RYAN,. Jupiter, FL. Plano, TX, April 28, 2008. Hon. GEORGE MILLER, Chairman,. Committee on Education and Labor, Rayburn House Office Building ...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG.../CH ... 041839.pdf

All documentation was submitted ahead of time to the GAO agents and nothing, repeat nothing, was left out.  The rest of it went to the IRS.  

Now, let me tell you this, whomever you are, that hides behind The Who, John Reuben and various other names.

No children should be subjected  to what transpired at HLA... or on the premises.  No owner of any academy or spouse that carries themselves the way Buccellato and Spooner did, belong on the premises of any school.  Their personal life is their own, but when 'it' starts hopping over to sexually accosting staff(5 that we know of),  pay-offs out of school funds or the  now defunct Chapel Fund for Buccellato's indiscretions, bragging of $1,000. male hookers on the premises(alleged by staff, emails, letters) that is a huge problem.  "Quirk and Quirk" handled the settlements(payoffs) as they did all his dirty work. Could everyone be lying?  Understanding that they could have been called for a deposition with what they turned over, it is highly unlikely.  Checks and bank statements don't lie. Do I know their names?  Yes.  Have I spoken with these people?  Two of the victims, numerous staff in areas that could confirm the settlements.  All staff stated they would confirm by subpeona, not just in this area, but all other areas, but they feared him and felt they needed to protect their families.  The same fear was related to the GAO agents.  
Again,the GAO did interview former staff, families confirming what was alleged in the lawsuit and beyond.  To quote one agent, "I have handcuffs burning a hole in my pocket".  Now again, whether the GAO made recommendations to the justice department, they will not disclose.
Any 'ace' that was sent them, will not be disclosed  here either to protect the families.  

As I have stated before, where HLA and Buccellato are concerned, you are out of your league and I state this with no disrespect.  It is more important that we move forward to assure this does not happen again.  As long as I breathe, I will be there watching, as I stated before, "For the Children to Come".
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2009, 07:04:33 PM »
Jill, Like Bruce said it wasnt just HLA it was other programs like ASR etc.....  A prime example was the  original post which started this thread .  All I am saying is be careful what is stated and ask for and check the links and facts that are provided.  Dont just take people word for it if they say "so and so" is unlicensed or unaccredited.

Check the facts of what these people are telling and dont take them at face value.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2009, 07:32:13 PM »
Quote from: "Jill Ryan"
As I have stated before, where HLA and Buccellato are concerned, you are out of your league and I state this with no disrespect. It is more important that we move forward to assure this does not happen again. As long as I breathe, I will be there watching, as I stated before, "For the Children to Come".

The original post, the inception of this thread, was based on a lie intended to deceive the readers we have all seen that.  When you were pursuing the truth about HLA and their lawyers told you that you were out of your league (with no disrespect) would you have backed off?  Do you expect the readers to accept deception and lies here on fornits?  Should I run away and not continue to expose the truth after you tell me I am out of my league?

I think it is great to move forward with your information but if you are going to base it on lies and deceit (or turn a blind eye towards them) then I cannot agree with you and you are no better than HLA and the lawyers they hired.  Just be careful that in your pursuit and “As long as you breathe”  you dont become one of them.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2009, 08:53:00 PM »
You have routinely spouted off over the year how HLA was above reproach and how nothing was amiss there. You rambled on and on about how HLA would bounce back from this current down turn, and emerge stronger. Now like Buchi you're trying to put all your eggs (future referals/kick backs) into RC. I've yet to contact or even view the GAO or SACS regarding verification for the accredidation, so at this point I do not know what the situation is. I do however know that DJ has a great deal more credibility than you have, and you are a known liar. That being the case I'll hold off until I can verify the information for myself and move forward from there. In the meantime I wonder why proper licensure hasnt been an issue for you as it still remains a greater issue than accredidation. Furthermore I've yet to hear an explination as to how Mountain Brook can be accredited since it does not actually exist.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2009, 08:59:57 PM »
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I've yet to contact or even view the GAO or SACS regarding verification for the accredidation, so at this point I do not know what the situation is. I do however know that DJ has a great deal more credibility than you have, and you are a known liar. That being the case I'll hold off until I can verify the information for myself and move forward from there.

Here it is, I'll save you a phone call.

Link

DJ never looked into it.......period.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2009, 09:01:11 PM »
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Quote from: "Jill Ryan"
As I have stated before, where HLA and Buccellato are concerned, you are out of your league and I state this with no disrespect. It is more important that we move forward to assure this does not happen again. As long as I breathe, I will be there watching, as I stated before, "For the Children to Come".

The original post, the inception of this thread, was based on a lie intended to deceive the readers we have all seen that.  When you were pursuing the truth about HLA and their lawyers told you that you were out of your league (with no disrespect) would you have backed off?  Do you expect the readers to accept deception and lies here on fornits?  Should I run away and not continue to expose the truth after you tell me I am out of my league?

I think it is great to move forward with your information but if you are going to base it on lies and deceit (or turn a blind eye towards them) then I cannot agree with you and you are no better than HLA and the lawyers they hired.  Just be careful that in your pursuit and “As long as you breathe”  you dont become one of them.


I don't know who you are but don't you EVER fucking compare Jill to HLA and their scumbag attornyes. YOU have no idea what Jill has sacrificed over the past several years in pursuit of the truth.  Jill has never based anything on lies and/or deceit.

Rarely do I get this pissed, but you have crossed the line.

What is your deal on here anyway? Do you care about the kids or is your goal just to discredit the people who post on here for your own personal gain? Have you been hired by Bucci to try to discredit the posters on Fornits? Are you an investor in Ridge Creek? Answer the questions if you're so into the "truth" as you state.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2009, 09:08:31 PM »
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I don't know who you are but don't you EVER fucking compare Jill to HLA and their scumbag attornyes. YOU have no idea what Jill has sacrificed over the past several years in pursuit of the truth.  Jill has never based anything on lies and/or deceit.

Guest99, sorry your pissed....but that is exactly my point.  She would not be disuaded by the lawyers telling her she was out of her league.  So why should I not pursue the truth?  No one is comparing her to HLA or their lawyers.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2009, 09:16:22 PM »
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I don't know who you are but don't you EVER fucking compare Jill to HLA and their scumbag attornyes. YOU have no idea what Jill has sacrificed over the past several years in pursuit of the truth.  Jill has never based anything on lies and/or deceit.

Guest99, sorry your pissed....but that is exactly my point.  She would not be disuaded by the lawyers telling her she was out of her league.  So why should I not pursue the truth?  No one is comparing her to HLA or their lawyers.

You did compare her to HLA and her attorneys. Perhaps you made a mistake in your choice of words. Don't do it again.

You should pursue the truth. So again, while we're on the subject of truth please truthfully answer the questions that were posed to you. If you choose or don't choose to answer the questions it will speak volumes on your motive.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2009, 10:11:30 PM »
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What is your deal on here anyway? Do you care about the kids or is your goal just to discredit the people who post on here for your own personal gain?

I care about getting murderers, thieves and rapists off the street, but I dont believe in unlawful wiretaps or searching a person’s premises without a warrant to achieve that goal.  I care about the kids and believe many programs scam parents and accept kids for the wrong reasons but I dont believe in making up lies in pursuant to achieve damaging a programs’ reputation or the people who work there.  They deserve the same chance as you and I do to defend ourselves and should be held accountable for what they do.  But it should be done honestly.

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Have you been hired by Bucci to try to discredit the posters on Fornits?
No

 
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Are you an investor in Ridge Creek?
No, I believe it is privately owned
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2009, 10:45:57 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest99"
What is your deal on here anyway? Do you care about the kids or is your goal just to discredit the people who post on here for your own personal gain?

I care about getting murderers, thieves and rapists off the street, but I dont believe in unlawful wiretaps or searching a person’s premises without a warrant to achieve that goal.  I care about the kids and believe many programs scam parents and accept kids for the wrong reasons but I dont believe in making up lies in pursuant to achieve damaging a programs’ reputation or the people who work there.  They deserve the same chance as you and I do to defend ourselves and should be held accountable for what they do.  But it should be done honestly.

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Have you been hired by Bucci to try to discredit the posters on Fornits?
No

 
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Are you an investor in Ridge Creek?
No, I believe it is privately owned

C'mon - A place can be privately owned with an investor(s).

Some more questions: Are you an Educational Consultant? Are you working with a group to send kids to Ridge Creek? Are you a marketer for Therapeutic-type boarding schools?

I'm sorry but your reasoning doesn't make sense. What does makes sense is that you have a vested interest in promoting these types of schools.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2009, 11:04:21 PM »
Remember the good old days when Quirk and Quirk used to send letters trying to indimidate people to prevent them from Posting on Fornits?  

"You falsely stated that Charles Cates is a monkey"? Holy Crap! That's the best they had???  :roflmao:


http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=per ... wrt_id=257

QUIRK & QUIRK, P.C.
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
450 BUCKHEAD CENTRE
2964 PEACHTREE ROAD, N.W.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA 30305-4903
   Telephone Number
   (404) 237-5595
JOSEPH P. FARRELL   Facsimile Number
E-Mail Address: jpf@quirklaw.com   (404) 237-7996

January 17, 2006

********
c/o ********
************
************

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c/o ********
************
************

Re:   Hidden Lake Academy. Inc. (the “School”)

Dear Mr. *******:
This Firm represents Hidden Lake Academy. It has come to our attention that derogatory remarks have emanated from you regarding the School, its students and its staff In postings on the ww.fornits.com website, you falsely state that Bill Gray is an embezzler and an inbred and make perverted comments regarding his ex-wife and him personally. You also falsely state that Charles Cates is a monkey and implied that he made statements to your father just so that you would not be withdrawn from HLA. You make sick and perverse comments about Dr. Leonard Buccellato in addition to false and untrue statements about Hidden Lake Academy itself These statements represent just a few of the untrue and derogatory remarks you have made regarding the School, its students and its employees.

Those untrue remarks could potentially negatively affect the School’s work with its students and employees, thereby interfering with the business of Hidden Lake Academy. If you continue to make these kinds of remarks, the School will consider appropriate legal action including possible claims of libel and defamation. We demand that you immediately cease and desist making further negative and untrue comments about Hidden Lake Academy and any of its staff or employees. We also demand that you retract the remarks you have made in the forum. in which they were made.

 
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PLEASE GOVERN YOURSELF ACCORDINGLY.
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2009, 11:06:29 PM »
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It's like Ringley Brothers re-naming themselves Acme Circus Company - it's still the same group of clowns putting on a show.

Ridge Creek School should not be allowed to operate and rip off more parents; but most important is the fact that these kids are NOT getting the help or treatment they require.

The "counselors" and "teachers" are not licensed. You can look this information up on Georgia's web page, which is what we did and subsequently Charles sent out an email to the parents listing all the staffs' qualifications. It was done in response to the fact that we exposed what an absolute sham the place was and is. I suppose this was Bucci's brilliant idea of damage control. The funny part is that the email only served to show we were correct.

In answer to this question: Then ask yourself: “Are they seeking the truth or just out to discredit a program or the people running it?”

The people running the problem LIED to us, thereby discrediting the program and the people running it by THEIR actions. When we sought the truth we were lied to even further. It wasn't until we confronted them with the TRUTH did we realized just how deep and calculated all the lies were. We sought the truth, but we had every right to expect that from the beginning. We're not attempting to discredit the people running the program and/or the program - again, they did that themselves. Our goal is to make sure no other child and parent(s) have to go through the absolute Hell and lies we went through. We want the truth to remain the truth. Bucci had so many years and opportunities to do the right thing, but he thumbed his nose at it everytime. He won't change, he hasn't changed, and he's never once apologized for what he's done. Unless you were there, you wouldn't understand and that's why people on here who have lived through it are so determined not to allow it to continue. Enough is enough.

Boy was 99 on the mark...circus indeed!  search.php?fid[]=41
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Re: Ridge Creek School - Accreditation
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2009, 11:08:48 PM »
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C'mon - A place can be privately owned with an investor(s).
True, but I am not one of them.

Some more questions:

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Are you an Educational Consultant?
No

 
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Are you working with a group to send kids to Ridge Creek?
No
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Are you a marketer for Therapeutic-type boarding schools?
No

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I'm sorry but your reasoning doesn't make sense. What does makes sense is that you have a vested interest in promoting these types of schools.
I have never profited from this industry.
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