LAYNE MEACHAM and PROCTOR ADVOCATE, YES FAMILIES

[Anonymous]

Counsellor Phil Elberg Esq. its one thing to hurl all over the lock-ups, and money grubbing fraudulent program people,  but when you start mouthing Dr. Jerome Miller DSW and his life's work which has been to advocate for kids in real 100 year old snake pits and  hell holes 100 times  worse than the little bourgeousie rich kid lock ups, you have gone over the top.  You have really exposed your ignorance to the system and the real advocates for kids.   On the national seen you would be a fool and if you ever started to mouth Jerry's contribution in Mass, you would really get some hits on your sight...what is it you call it threads?  What the hell is a thread and who made up that word?   This only reaffirms my belief that you really are ignorant about the treatment field for conduct disordered addicted kids and about the legitimate youth work business (which Jerry or I believe should not include lock-ups for about 90 percent of the convicted Juvenile population).  You like Psy believe a kid should never be restrained and should be able to come home loaded to the gills everynight, steal their parents money and car, and if the old man and old lady can't take it the kid might knock em on their ass.   I know all the boys and girls who have survived the Phil Elberg Gulag's kiss your behind and believe that the big bad bear has survived Auschwitz.  But Phil it is time to put up or shut up!  

NOW Phil WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT I WAS EVER SUED FOR ABUSE.  

Your little pooper scooper has dug up Michael Carter's article, but you did not emphasis the fact that the prosecutor and the judge dismissed the case.  Why is that Phil?   Your little Waco bourgeousie following of  survivors  you daily court and teach to spray the area with "threads" of your bull  is getting old.  ?Why  didn't you hoof it the out of Hyder or where ever you were interned  if it was so bad.   Some of us had the balls to run.  You didn't and now you are attacking Jerry, Me, and the whole  world.  Don't you ever grow out of that crap?  You know Phil Che Guevara finally got up from the coffee shop and said he had done enough talking and left to do something.   Why don't you get off your butt and get some national legislation that would provide for some degree of due process before a kid is placed in a certain level of lock up.  Preaching to the choir and stroking each other each day is just a type of masterbation that Che was sick of...he said as much.   Oops the only problem is if you were to get some national legislation you would probably need to get the support of Jerry Miller and you have already written him off as a looser who destroyed the Massachusetts system.

Now then MIchael Crawford you are worried about words. You want to know if I tailored my program after Miller Newton and if we called them host homes, did MI's what ever the they are.  We used the term Proctor's from John McManus' Proctor Program in New Bedford Mass.  He gave me permission to do so.   I may have said that our program is like Kids before I even really new what kids was.  So is that a third degree felony Phil?  Of course you have never misspoke like when you bad mouthed Jerry and the Massachusetts movement.  Of course your little Spanish Inquisition has no tolerance.  If you use the word host home you are a very evil person in the Cult of Fornits (what is a Fornit, sounds like a little bug or something)

 Phil as far  as Mike Carter your sacred source for info, you could not bear to emphasize that the case was thrown out!
Now dig a little deeper because the statement you made was that I have been sued multiple times for abuse.  Now Counselor sueing is a civil process not a criminal matter, you do know the difference?  All of your followers are counting on you to know the difference because you are the BEAR the big mean grizzley that is going to get all the dirty scum that think that sometimes some kids need some sort of limits for their distructive behaviors.  Please let us know when you get a case number!

And I might ad Phil  if you ran a program and was in the field for over 30 years you would have a good chance of getting a false allegation thrown at you from time to time.  M.D.'s Psychotherapists and even members of the Bar receive allegations when their customers can't pay or when the customer is a borderline personality or have their feelings hurt.  Has anyone checked your bar file.  Please give me you Bar License Number and let me know what state you are in because I gaurantee I am going to download it on this site.

I realize that you are the  acting David Koresh for all of the little rich kids who feed off of your bull everyday because you need to keep them hooked into your cult.  You have to have their dependency on you, like Miller Newton did with the parents that relied on him.  Your the man, the great white father who is going to get them justice!   But you mouth  Jerry Miller even though his  contribution to the world is mega, postitive.  He is soft spoken and loved.  He is unyeilding when it comes to locking people up.  People are drawn to Jerry because he doesn't try to be the big bad bear (you need a new handle dude, you aint that tough).  Some of us had to fight some bugger every day just to be able to take a shower.  You on the other hand had a nice buffet at Hyde School or wherever, you are not willing to say yet, I guess it kinda embarrases you huh.  You also had clean sheets and  and a daily therapist if necessary.  I had a clip board to the cheek every day from staff.  if some 20 year old future prisoner wasn't kicking the crap out of me with his grapes of wrath boots (like the Jobes wore) a staff member was hitting me in the back of the head.   We all wore state boots, levis and levi coats, T-Shirts with a number right under our little chinny chin chins.  You don't even know what 1940's looking state school boots look like because you were wearing $200.00 tennis shoes and clothing from the GAP (MIchael did you know there is a GAP on the corner of Haight and Ashbury now).

Now Mr. Elberg I want all of your following to consider this.   Why won't Phil  debate me on national T.V.   Grizzley Adams Elberg can take the anti Kantian position that a kid should never have any limits no matter what!  He should be able to do doobies in the living room of his home, shoot up crystal in his room, steal the parents money and I guess Counsellor Elsberg would think that someone who rapes his sister should not be restrained in any manner.   I will argue that there are many ways to work with kids with the above problems without locking them up or brutilizing them.  Now when Phil grows some cojones and sets up the debate you groupies can all watch on T.V. or hear on radio the debate and we will see who is full of crap.  But your Great Grizzley Bear leader Phil Elberg will not take the challenge.  All of you that want to can come.  We can even have the PUREE folks there to argue the Wilderness and Provo Canyon School or Hyde School line.  If they don't show they will be considered cohojone challenged and I will publically call them cowards who misdiagnose kids as dysthymic disorder just to get the insurance money.

So here is your home work Phil.  Get the case numbers for the  suits you said existed against me, or be man enough to admit you were wrong on that one issue.  Find a hotel receipt with me and this Newton guy sharing a room.  And Psy don't sweat the small stuff as to whether I have ever referred to Kids, Straight or Newton.  I have never met him and if over 20 years ago I referenced a program I had read about or seen on T.V. I am sorry.  The 23 year old reference to that type of programming was before anyone new of any alleged abuse by Kids or Straight etc.  Go over to Germany and see if any Arians were ever killed for identifying with Jews.

Now Mr. Elberg will you meet for a debate, you can slander me all across the country.  All of your underlings and followers can tune in and we will see just what kind of guy you really are.  Maybe I will take off your Wizard of Oz Grizzley Bear facade and expose you for the little wounded kid who is spending his life getting even.  You choose the time and place and because I am not part of your beourgeosie class I will have to get air fare or do it through public television or something.
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Finally  all Grizzley Adams Phil Elberg followers.  I am willing to with your support initiate a movement to get a national law that will require that all State's must provide substantive and procedural due process to youth who are about to be placed in a private facility or program with a high degree of security or restraint,  like Benchmark or Hyde if that is what Hyde was.   Each state would have to have a predeprivation hearing that the parents would have to go through that would prove that there is no less restrictive alternative to lock up  or a Newtonian or Hyde type of program.  Each state could contract out the administrative hearing to a third party who is disinterested and the Parents would be required to prove at the clear and convincing level of evidence that the proposed level of lock up or programming is warranted.  Maybe we can even go as far as to envoke Miranda or some sort of Mathews v. Eldrege or Loudermill type of thresh hold (Phil have your para legal look up these cases) for a hearing which would allow representation from a third party, not necessarily a Phil Elberg at $350.00 an hour, just even dumb social worker like me for $50.00 an hour or whatever.  

Now, doesn't that sound better than to just sitting around win Phil's Wayne's World around and slandering these lockup PURE people.  Wouldn't it be much more rational  to cut off the head of the snake and at the same time educate the parents that Hyde or Benchmark or Cinnamon Stick or Wilderness World is to restrictive and not necessary?

Only problem is Dr. Phil has already bad mouthed the number one dude that could pull it off and that is Jerry Miller.  He can likely get an audience with Kennedy or Feinstein et al.  Phil can stay home and play with himself and call all the providers poo poo heads and waste thousands of man hours on this Borderline Personality Site.  Enough awareness and mouthing, lets like Che get off our butts and make some real change.  Phil I recommend you read Alinskys rules for radicals and George Brager's book community organizing which I have memorized.

So the machine is in place we just need to find a legislator and I will donate all of my time and 45 years of experience to get er done!

Phil if you don't come up with the case numbers, or a smoking gun to tie me to Newton and don't have the balls to debate with me, I don't have the time or inclination to play in your sick little sand box  any longer.  If any of you want to codify your anger and philosophy of treatment into national legislation I would be willing to talk with you.  Please only serious and real people I'm too old to take telephone harassment and I have heard all the nasty words in reform school, the Marine Corp and the condemed men's unit at Ely State Maximum Security Prison where I worked,  and it is a crime, check with the law offices of Phil Elberg Esq.  My cell is 801 419 0824 don't call after 8pm Utah I will be sprawled out on my bed and eating fig newtons and bouncing the channels between O'reiley and Keith Oberman or watching red box B movie, thats all I can afford.  By the way Phil I am not just an Abstract Artist as you stated, I am the clinical director of an alcohol and drug program for adults, no false allegations of abuse there, but it is early, maybe you can defend me when it happens.(if any of you are interested in art just google Utah Artist Project Marriott Collection and you can see what's in my ADD mind)

Carry on Dudes,

Layne

[Anonymous]

Now now, give me a break the new rules are honesty, honesty, honesty.  So you like Michale Crawford and Phillip Elberg have to tell us all where you were interned and what you did.  If not as Michael says we cannot take you serious, this is not a drive by cuss hurling contest where you throw a tantrum.  Come clean, now were you ever locked up and what for.

And do you really know anything about me other than what you have read or been spoon fed by your big daddy Phil?  Do you have a mind of your own?

Didn't you just hate it when the program people falsely accused you of stuff.  It pissed you off didn't it.  By the way will you throw in a few bucks for the National Legislative drive for due process or do you just want to use the dirty little words and then run back an play your video games.

Dubuffet

[Anonymous]

you are the BEAR the big mean grizzley that is going to get all the dirty scum that think that

sometimes some kids need some sort of limits for their distructive behaviors

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Of COURSE kids need limits, and of COURSE these facilities prey on vulnerable families in crisis.

I am SO sick of pro-program people using the fact that there ARE troubled people, and DRUG addicted people as a maligned justification for the existence of these unethical behaviour modification programs.

Stop them ALL now so the focus can be on legitimate health centered facilities that help sick people instead of raping their entire existence.

You suck!

[Anonymous]

Phil I just wrote CBC and asked them why they gave you the pass they did.  You had unfettered time to blatther your self righteous B.S.  I told them if they want to see a real 5th Element Cult to tune into your Fornit deal and see how your little mind control of all your little groupie cry babies are worshipping and defending  you far more than  any one did Wasimer, Newton or Steinberg or even Koresh.  

You remind me of that old broad on the movie DOUBT where the Priest was falsely accused by that old heater nun.  You should watch that movie, it will enhance your witch hunting skills and show you how to really crucify a youth worker.  After all , all youth workers are satan, right Mr. Phillip Elberg .  I wonder if your law firm knows the extent to which you are libeling the world.  Maybe they would see a "thread" of a conflict of interest or maybe the New Jersey bar would question your wholesale libel as being violative of the cannon of ethics.  I will check with them..

Now call the CBC people and tell them you agree to debate me, don't punk out in front of all your thousands of teddy bears.

They are counting on you to distroy people like me, just like the priest in DOUBT (Psy what is his  name he played Truman Capote)

Carry on,

Dubuffet

[Che Gookin]

I think a guy named Layne tried to give me a rim job in Beijing once.

[Anonymous]

Phil I just wrote CBC and asked them why they gave you the pass they did.  You had unfettered time to blatther your self righteous B.S.  I told them if they want to see a real 5th Element Cult to tune into your Fornit deal and see how your little mind control of all your little groupie cry babies are worshipping and defending  you far more than  any one did Wasimer, Newton or Steinberg or even Koresh.  

You remind me of that old broad on the movie DOUBT where the Priest was falsely accused by that old heater nun.  You should watch that movie, it will enhance your witch hunting skills and show you how to really crucify a youth worker.  After all , all youth workers are satan, right Mr. Phillip Elberg .  I wonder if your law firm knows the extent to which you are libeling the world.  Maybe they would see a "thread" of a conflict of interest or maybe the New Jersey bar would question your wholesale libel as being violative of the cannon of ethics.  I will check with them..

Now call the CBC people and tell them you agree to debate me, don't punk out in front of all your thousands of teddy bears.

They are counting on you to distroy people like me, just like the priest in DOUBT (Psy what is his  name he played Truman Capote)

Carry on,

Dubuffet

Layne, I just wanna know if you have any info about Charles Dedrich or Mel Wassermen. You haven't said yay or nay about that. If you have any, we'd love to hear it-- whatever it is.

help us out, if you can. thanks

[Ursus]

Call Yitzhak first and see if he thinks I am for locking up kids or brutilizing kids. He was Miller's deputy in the late 70's when Miller closed all the reform schools in Mass. While the legislature was out of session.

Are you referring to Miller Newton here, or Jerome Miller (former Commissioner of Massachusetts Department of Youth Services)? If the latter, those reform school closures were in the very early 70s. By 1972, that was allegedly already a done deal. In reality, I believe there may have been a few who lagged behind schedule.

Some of those kids who would have previously ended up in reform schools, languished in detention centers or got sent to psychiatric institutions instead. Some lucky son-of-a-guns who straddled that changeover got sent to both in tandem. Hardly a time to celebrate "de-institutionalization," if you ask me...

when you start mouthing Dr. Jerome Miller DSW and his life's work which has been to advocate for kids in real 100 year old snake pits and hell holes 100 times worse than the little bourgeousie rich kid lock ups, you have gone over the top. You have really exposed your ignorance to the system and the real advocates for kids. On the national seen you would be a fool and if you ever started to mouth Jerry's contribution in Mass, you would really get some hits on your sight...what is it you call it threads? What the hell is a thread and who made up that word? This only reaffirms my belief that you really are ignorant about the treatment field for conduct disordered addicted kids and about the legitimate youth work business (which Jerry or I believe should not include lock-ups for about 90 percent of the convicted Juvenile population).

...Some of us had the balls to run. You didn't and now you are attacking Jerry, Me, and the whole world.

...Oops the only problem is if you were to get some national legislation you would probably need to get the support of Jerry Miller and you have already written him off as a looser who destroyed the Massachusetts system.

...I may have said that our program is like Kids before I even really new what kids was. So is that a third degree felony Phil? Of course you have never misspoke like when you bad mouthed Jerry and the Massachusetts movement.

...Only problem is Dr. Phil has already bad mouthed the number one dude that could pull it off and that is Jerry Miller.

...But you mouth Jerry Miller even though his contribution to the world is mega, postitive. He is soft spoken and loved. He is unyeilding when it comes to locking people up. People are drawn to Jerry because he doesn't try to be the big bad bear (you need a new handle dude, you aint that tough).

Mr. Meacham, I fail to see what on earth in my post caused this tremendous outpour of invective  and presumption of ill will. My grumble, such as it was, concerned a particular case that I happen to be familiar with.

My post, quick frankly, was a serious question, asking for clarification as to the identity of "Miller." I guess I got my answer.


Btw, I don't believe I ever stated or intimated that I was Phil Elberg, Esq.

[Ursus]

I'd like to go back to some things you said earlier regarding ideological roots.

Yitzhak Bakal, as far as I can make out, is heavily connected to the juvenile justice system. He studied under Howard Polsky, as did you, at Columbia University's School of Social Work. It is hard for me to believe that Polsky, who wrote Cottage Six: The Social System of Delinquent Boys in Residential Treatment (1962), was unaware of Lloyd McCorkle's seminal work The Highfields story; an experimental treatment project for youthful offenders (1958; co-authors Albert Elias and F. Lovell Bixby). In fact, both of these scholars are oft found in the same assortment of references for investigations of others in the field...

McCorkle was based just 'cross the Hudson river in the New Jersey penal system, and Highfields was an evolution of his ideas on using a therapeutic community modality in the penal system. He had also published on a similar experiment in the adult penal system in 1949. He called his method "Guided Group Interaction." Ever hear of it? Care to comment?

"The peer group acts as a leveler or "equalizer," insuring that its members do not stray too far from its ranks."

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[psy]

Counsellor Phil Elberg Esq. its one thing to hurl all over the lock-ups, and money grubbing fraudulent program people,  but when you start mouthing Dr. Jerome Miller DSW and his life's work which has been to advocate for kids in real 100 year old snake pits and  hell holes 100 times  worse than the little bourgeousie rich kid lock ups, you have gone over the top.  You have really exposed your ignorance to the system and the real advocates for kids.   On the national seen you would be a fool and if you ever started to mouth Jerry's contribution in Mass, you would really get some hits on your sight...what is it you call it threads?  What the hell is a thread and who made up that word?   This only reaffirms my belief that you really are ignorant about the treatment field for conduct disordered addicted kids and about the legitimate youth work business (which Jerry or I believe should not include lock-ups for about 90 percent of the convicted Juvenile population).  You like Psy believe a kid should never be restrained and should be able to come home loaded to the gills everynight, steal their parents money and car, and if the old man and old lady can't take it the kid might knock em on their ass.

Not sure what anybody else feels about it but no, I do not agree with that.  I think there should be stiff punishment and maybe even criminal prosecution if there is harm done to another person or his/her property.  I'm just not in favor of forced treatment since I consider it far more cruel than incarceration on it's own...  especially the sort of treatment you see discussed on this forum, regardless of whether you choose to believe it or not.

One problem I have is that it's a treatment that causes permanent change (not necessarily the change intended) that the manner of this change is a process that is completely devoid of informed consent.   I've never had a problem with treatment somebody consents to so long as what the treatment entails is honestly and openly represented.  More often than not, such is just not the case.

It seems that folk like you would rather incarcerate a person and convince them that their actions were not their fault but a product of their "disease".  I'm sorry.  I feel that's a cop out.  If you hurt somebody, the substance didn't make you do it.  People are responsible for their own actions and should be punished accordingly.  Like C.S Lewis said:

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. Their very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be ‘cured’ against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level with those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. But to be punished, however severely, because we have deserved it, because we ‘ought to have known better’, is to be treated as a human person made in God’s image.

It's much easier to say "i'm sorry for what I did.  I was sick.  I'm doing amends for this program in order so that I'll feel better about myself" than it is to say "I'm sorry, it was my fault and there is no excuse.  Let me make amends.".

[psy]

If you use the word host home you are a very evil person in the Cult of Fornits (what is a Fornit, sounds like a little bug or something)
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I realize that you are the  acting David Koresh for all of the little rich kids who feed off of your bull everyday because you need to keep them hooked into your cult.

Fornits is an open forum which is pretty much the polar opposite from anybody's definition of a cult.  Cults use thought reform which requires control over communication (among several other things).  Here:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/brain ... ing19.html

You're free to use the term any way you choose, but using it incorrectly just makes you look ignorant.

PS: the term "fornit" comes from a Stephen King novel.  It's a tiny creature that lives under your keyboard and ghostwrites things when you aren't looking.

[Anonymous]

some program fuckwad waste of oxygen said: You are doing the exact same thing your parents or who ever had custody of you did. Take away your liberty without due process.

No, dipshit, no one here is doing anything like what was done to us at the teen mindfuck mills of which you are so enamoured.  For you to equate a vigorous challenge, or even a hypothetically slanderous accusation, with what was done to any of us who actually went through one of Miller Newton's/George Deidrich/Vause, etc. teen torture camps, is insulting.


Kill yourself now and save millions from the pain and suffering you continue to create.

[Anonymous]

Well, so now the Big Bad Bear wants anonymity, and Michael Crawford wants no treatment regardless, kind of an anarchist, or nihilism type of deal.  You have all gone back to hiding and taking cowardly pot shots.  You have now mouthed Howard Polsky, Yitzhak, Jerome Miller and me and others who have genuinely tried to move the system along to be more humane.   Nobody knows what you want you are like little Armidinijads or something.  All you want to do is try to terrorize 'program' people as if they were lepers.   You want the immediate closure off all programs.  You have no alternative and you cannot back up your slanders.  The last Asian guy ,cowardly little comment on 'RIM JOB was intelligent, he's the dude you need put out front to sell your proposition, you will get a lot of mileage out of him.   He says nasty little words and then runs like a punky coward back to his video game without identifying himself.  Real impressive in the real world of adult politics.  

Now Ursus am I getting too close and you don't like it, I will be calling your office in a few minutes to see if you are still the Phil Elberg, Crawford said you were, maybe you have just turned to chicken shit.  You haven't proven a damn thing as far as your libel e.g., that I have been sued multiple times for abuse and I was a Newtons underling.  In stead you send in Mr. Chin's dirty little adolescent mouth to give you cover.  

So Psy you did not respond to the Che action idea of getting something done in congress so I know who and what you are now, a damn cry baby that only wants to have tantrums and maybe you do need some time out, hell maybe your parents put you in Benchmark for more serious things than you were not willing to admit to.  If your parents saw this site just before they admitted you, they sure as hell would not have been hindered in their decision, they would have been encouraged!  I know you are cajone challenged because you go along the the ambulance chasing Elberg with the mouthing of Yitzhak, Jerry and Howard, people that moved away from lock up.   As far as all this group peer pressure you are all horrified about, what the hell  do you think this  Stephan King Bug sight is doing, its pure liquid synanon.  You use obscene language towards anyone you suspect of being a program person.  You all gang up and as a group confront the hell out of the 'program person'.    Its Hollywood Blacklist time in Fornit World.   There is no intellect or alternative to PURE, just dirty littl resentful bad mouthers who hide under their worn out computers.  Can't you just see the Asian dude sitting down with Harry Reid.  Sen Reid did me some favors and wrote some letters, do you think we should take Rim Job along (kind of sounds like a chinese restaurant RIMM JOB.  Can't you get some impressive thinking people or is Rim Job it.


Phil Elberg hasn't done shit.   All he wants to do is malign and mouth good people and the news is, in case you are so closed under your keyboards like fornits,  parents with acting out kids aren't going to take you seriously as you put it.  In fact the more cry baby mouthing and drive by anonymous little Rim Job remarks you post the more the parents will gravitate to Benchmark, and Cinnamon Stick.  The parents know how to read and will look at the immature dirty little remarks on this rag  talk to the woman at PURE.  Now what do you think is going to be the outcome.  YOU psy with this bug crap site are literally putting kids into Cinnamon Stick, Jeckle and Hyde School and Benchmark.  Can't you see that.  You need to hurl this site into the toilet and come up with a site like PURE has with a list of reasonable rational alternatives to Benchmark.  And I know you look up to Phil but he is not helping.  He's too busy looking for a Plaintiff!  I know, I have been out in the world a little longer than most of you and Elberg would not turn down a lushish Plaintiff with the prospects of he and his firm netting millions.   Of course it will all go to charity and not to remodeling his house or trips to Nassau.

By the way Phil what was your lawfirms cut on the $4,500,000.  Arn't you just fishing and ambulance chasing to try to find another plaintiff so you can net another $2mil.  Bet you never thought you had been used like that Psy.  This Phil dude is trying to find another program with insurance that has brutilized some kid and who he can make another big publishers clearing house jack pot.   He really is, you may not be experienced or old enough to see the obvious conflict of interest.  Phil Elberg is ambulance chasing and you are his lead dog to sniff out possible cases.  I'll say it to his law partners face in a few minutes.

Now Psy, maybe you can be salvaged.   The fact is there is no smoking gun on Meacham.  No dockets no Miller Newton sleep overs like with Captain Kirk and the other dude in Boston Legal.

I'll give Bear Elberg's  office a call in a few minutes   Elberg if you have the guts to talk to me and come out from behind your stupid little bear costume and come to the phone it will be interestin.   And Crawford why don't you give me your cell in France and I can talk to you.  But I don't believe any of you are going to get off your asses at the coffee shop, game room, or from behind your computers and introduce legislation.  

Your too wounded, handicapped and too full of hate and resentment.  So party on, my professioal prognosis is that the PURE folks will continue to thrive even more with this little Fornit buzzing around with the total effect  of a misquito without malaria.  

By the way if Phil can muster up the courage you still owe us the evidence of the civil actions against me as well as the tie to Newton.  But we all know by now he is full of crap and that you were a damn lier on that deal.

I hope I hear from the CBC on our debate as Elberg was given a complete pass to cry his eyes out without self revealing anything.  We all know that Elberg is gutless and won't debate me publically.  He will just keep on his little bear suit on like the fast food company mascots and have his little Fornits like Chin use dirty little language against everyone like 'rim job' maybe he will grow some cojones.

Now watch all the little Fornit Bugs come out from under their computers and attack me because the truth is just too painful, and let their little dirty mouths rail with 'you suck dude', you got a rim job', f'--- off, Eat me, and so on.  PURE WILL JUST PRINT THEM ALL AND GIVE THEM TO THE PARENTS AND THEN OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE LIKE BENCHMARK AND CINNAMON STICK OR JECKLE AND HYDE OR WILDERNESS WORLD.  They will be professional, dressed to kill and empathic and very smooth.   Hell look at the alternative, 'talk of Rim JOBS and Gulags and other negative crap that the parent doesn't want to hear.  Psy, you have just increased the intakes to Cinnamon and Benchmark, by 10 fold!

Call me when you are ready to make permanent real change in due process.  Only thing is we can't show Yitz or Jerry how Dr. Phil ambulance chaser mouthed them or they won't give us the contacts we need with the White House or Congress.

Let me know, you have my number, now I need to call the big bad Grizzley and the New Jersey Bar.

Carry on,

Dubuffet.

[Anonymous]

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[psy]

interesting

http://archive.deseretnews.com/archive/ ... ENGED.html

In a lawsuit filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court, Layne R. Meacham asserts his name was placed on the registry following "dubious" and unsubstantiated reports of abuse. As a result, he has been denied employment working with children, youths or the elderly for up to 20 years.Meacham, the former president and director of a private youth program called the Proctor Advocate Foundation or YES Families, is asking the federal court to declare the registry practices unconstitutional and stop the state from disseminating allegations of abuse "unless (the person) has been convicted."

He is also seeking $342,200 in special damages and $1 million in punitive damages from defendants Patricia C. Kreher, director of the office of licensing; L.J. Dustman, licensing specialist; Bart Hopkin, Department of Human Services; Gary Dalton, director of Youth Corrections; Linda Luinstra and Carol Verdoia, office of the attorney general; and 10 "John Does."

Filed by former Utah Attorney General Robert B. Hansen, the lawsuit says one girl enrolled in the YES program accused Meacham of calling her a name while another girl alleged he kicked her and forced her to hold a revolver during therapy.

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 Meacham denied the allegations and said he informed the state he wasn't even in the county when the incidents supposedly occurred but "the attorney general would not and did not consider any other exculpatory evidence whatsoever."

A task force that subsequently investigated the program turned up no evidence or corroborating witnesses, and no criminal charges were ever filed, the lawsuit said.

Nevertheless, "In a closed secret meeting, the `task force' all agreed that (Meacham) should be put on the statewide child abuse registry as a substantiated child abuser," the lawsuit said.

According to Meacham, he was denied a license and kept "under a cloud" as retaliation for challenging the Department of Youth Corrections and "prior political confrontations" going back 15 years over issues of "waste, mismanagement and illegal bidding procedures."

Now...  either there was some huge conspiracy against you or the task force truly felt you were a danger to kids.  How did the lawsuit go?

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Now...  either there was some huge conspiracy against you or the task force truly felt you were a danger to kids.  How did the lawsuit go?

Oh, he won a settlement in that one, as he rightfully should. It was simply egregious how Utah was going about assuming everyone was guilty by accusation alone. And distributing that judgment to any interested party. It wasn't just Meacham that was affected by that policy, there were thousands of people on that "secret registry" that didn't even know it, but it was Meacham who had the cajones to go up against Utah's old boy network of social service professionals. That much I'll give him.

Of course, my saying that doesn't address any of the other background issues this case involved... He did have to give up his right to practice social work for a short period of time.