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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #150 on: July 21, 2009, 10:37:12 PM »
Oh he know's alot, keeps 'nice' company....

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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #151 on: July 22, 2009, 07:13:38 AM »
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Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

Hmmmm....  How would TheWho know all this?  Well, because TheWho is John David Reuben, that's how.  Father to a dead kid, father to an abused kid, father to a fictitious daughter and program pimp extrordinaire.

When will there be enough dead kids to satisfy your bloodlust, John?
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #152 on: July 27, 2009, 05:32:37 PM »
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years.  I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier.  Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.

You cant even say it is bad genes either.  No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome.  If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it.  Kids are going to be what they are going to be.  The best a parent can do is guide them.  If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do.  Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens.  Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative?  Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.

This is idiotic.  If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse.  This is why they "off themselves" later.  No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home.  Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,

Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #153 on: July 27, 2009, 05:38:47 PM »
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years.  I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier.  Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.

You cant even say it is bad genes either.  No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome.  If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it.  Kids are going to be what they are going to be.  The best a parent can do is guide them.  If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do.  Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens.  Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative?  Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.

This is idiotic.  If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse.  This is why they "off themselves" later.  No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home.  Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,

Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.

Actually in almost every case the suicides (and attempts) are due to problems from their personal life, caused by genetic characteristics which were hard coded at birth.  They have nothing to do with upbringing or the effects of a program.
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #154 on: July 27, 2009, 06:17:28 PM »
^^complete bullshit from a complete idiot^^
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #155 on: July 27, 2009, 06:18:34 PM »
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If it was bad parenting or bad genes at least the kid got the benefit of a fresh start and was given a few more years.  I feel bad for the parents who cannot afford to get their kids help and they lose their kids to drugs even earlier.  Hopefully this new healthcare plan will be able help more of these parents out.

You cant even say it is bad genes either.  No one can adjust their parenting style to effect a desired outcome.  If a parent tries the best they can they cant make a kid become a priest if the kid isnt up for it.  Kids are going to be what they are going to be.  The best a parent can do is guide them.  If the kids are broken then maybe they need to be broken down further and reassembled again and that is what programs do.  Simple Behavior modification (like time outs, or being grounded) isnt going to be effective for some teens.  Some kids dont do well in programs but what is the alternative?  Let them off themselves earlier?
Overall it is the best alternative for many families.

This is idiotic.  If a kid is going to "off himself" he needs to be in a PSYCH HOSPITAL not a teen warehouse.  This is why they "off themselves" later.  No help is offered at HLA or ASR, etc so the kid still has the same problems when he gets home.  Instead of getting real help the patrents just kick the can down the road a ways, like John Reuben did,

Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.

Actually in almost every case the suicides (and attempts) are due to problems from their personal life, caused by genetic characteristics which were hard coded at birth.  They have nothing to do with upbringing or the effects of a program.

If I were John Reuben (a coward, a professional torturer) I'd want to hide from my responsibility in causing my own son's death, also, but please don't make shit up as you go along; it gets ridiculous.

Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #156 on: July 27, 2009, 06:30:35 PM »
I'll just add, while I'm here, what has been proved, scientifically, is that human "personality" and what theIt calls "personal problems" are almost always completely caused by environment and thus can be altered or induced in predicable and consistent ways-- something any first year psych student can tell ya.
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« Reply #157 on: July 27, 2009, 07:14:43 PM »
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Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?

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Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.

After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one.  I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #158 on: July 27, 2009, 08:16:58 PM »
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Alternatively, please, the link to this extraordinary scientific discovery that “almost all” personal problems and suicides have been proved to be caused by genetic coding?

The poster just before me stated:
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Usually, they off themselves because of torture (brainwashing) designed to detroy them mentally, like that at Hidde Lake Academy, CEDU torture-cult division.

After he posts his link to the scientific study that supports “Usually... because of torture”.... you must have missed that one.  I am sure you want to be fair and not present a double standard.

Are you looking for links to studies confirming thought reform, imprisonment (particularly the without due process kind) torture, abduction, or coercive persuasion causes suicide, extreem psychiatric problem , social marginalization, etc ? Sure...comin' up...
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #159 on: August 03, 2009, 11:26:58 AM »
some things you might not know:

At HLA, Max was constantly insisting to me and a number of other people that his mom's death was caused deliberately by his father. not murder per se, but as an indirect result of his dad's actions. i'm not revealing the details.  

Max also smoked quite a bit of weed with me at HLA. i smuggled it in a variety of ways - in special deoderant, my shoes, through staff, and freinds that would dead-drop the stuff on the property in the middle of the night for me to pick up the next day while on restrictions or doing activities. we'd smoke it under the desks using the ol' fabric softener in a toilet paper tube method, in the bathroom at lower left or we'd just sneak away either at lower left or by the lake into the woods. it was really easy, after 05' there was a total lack of staff supervision and it just got better for us when the lawsuit hit. other kids snuck in all sorts of stuff, but i must admire max for staying away from it: coke smuggled in vaginas and anuses, meth and LSD sprayed onto pages of books, ecstacy smuggled inside stuffed animals and shoes, some kid even brought tar heroin once, flattened down to look like the rubber underlining of his shoe sole. that kid ate most of it but was able to steal a syringe from a diabetic and a lighter from me near the end of his stash. staff are just oblivious.  


on another point, there are plenty of kids who stayed there much longer than two years. everytime a peergroup is graduating the counselors try to convince all the parents to keep the kid postgrad untill they graduate high school. every kid's parents are talked to, in the hopes of retaining at least one or two from every peer group. why? because keeping postgrads around costs less as they require less supervision and less therapy; they are "positives" to the rest of the gen pop, yet the school collects just as money for keeping them. counselors as a result get bonuses for every kid they retain postgrad. i know kids that were stuck for a 27 month program and then stayed postgrad anyway. (27 months - it was originally 21 months but then HLA cancelled december graduation and forced those kids to graduate six months later). i know a kid that has spent nearly forty months at HLA.  steven gioa.

I'm not sure if they still do postgrad, but it's very likely max reuben spent all that time at HLA. he got there, from what i remember, in 8th grade. facing the prospect of an HLA grad entering 11th grade in a regular school (THE sex and drugs year according to HLA) he could have been there that long easily.
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« Reply #160 on: August 03, 2009, 12:52:28 PM »
Smoking weed is very typical at that age.  Lots of kids experiment with different stuff in their teen years.  It goes to show you that HLA isnt that much different than any other school.  If they have time to smuggle in weed and smoke it then thats a good thing.  These programs can be highly structured and it is good for the kids to have some down time, share a blunt etc.  I wouldnt be too hard on the place.  Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun.  There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch.  I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #161 on: August 03, 2009, 02:36:45 PM »
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place.  Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun.  There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch.  I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.



seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.
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« Reply #162 on: August 03, 2009, 02:54:58 PM »
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place.  Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun.  There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch.  I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.



seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.

Yeah, I hear ya, bummer.  We had it a little easier but not by much.  The weed wasn’t as big a deal but if we were caught with acid we would get expelled or worse.  I can see why they did strip searches on you guys, man hiding that that shit in your ass is nasty.  I am sure if we walked around with drugs in our butt they would be strip searching us too, but all they need to do is check our lockers and we were busted!!!  Like you read about.  They didn’t have drug testing back then like they do now.  Takes the whole speculation out of it, ya know.  The nuns would drag us down the hall by our ears and ridicule us in front of the whole school to try and make an example out of us.  But you know its all part of growing up.  Learning what you can get away with and what you cant, weighing the consequences and then deciding if it is worth getting caught.  You guys in the program knew how to party I'll tell ya... tar on the soles thats some funny shit.
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« Reply #163 on: August 03, 2009, 03:23:42 PM »
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I wouldnt be too hard on the place.  Most of the time the staff knows what is going on but they let the kids have a little fun.  There was a big old tree behind the gym where we use to smoke after lunch.  I think the teachers all knew what was going on but we were not harming anyone and we would be more mellow in the afternoon so it was better for them.



seriously? damn you were lucky. i had to get my freinds back home to paypal the staff to keep them quiet. in my time if you were caught smoking you were restrained, everyone else evacuated to the other side of the campus, dragged by the ear to be strip searched THOROUGHLY and drug tested followed by a lengthy stay at ridge creek pending temporary deferment to a more hardcore wilderness e.g suws (sp?) or a trip to peachford if you happened to take something a little more hardcore like acid and it made you go batshit crazy. and anyone you had close contact with would be suspect and therefore drug tested. sometimes an incident can lead to a fallout fest. and then when you came back, you were probably dropped a peergroup and your vacations taken away.

Yeah, I hear ya, bummer.  We had it a little easier but not by much.  The weed wasn’t as big a deal but if we were caught with acid we would get expelled or worse.  I can see why they did strip searches on you guys, man hiding that that shit in your ass is nasty.  I am sure if we walked around with drugs in our butt they would be strip searching us too, but all they need to do is check our lockers and we were busted!!!  Like you read about.  They didn’t have drug testing back then like they do now.  Takes the whole speculation out of it, ya know.  The nuns would drag us down the hall by our ears and ridicule us in front of the whole school to try and make an example out of us.  But you know its all part of growing up.  Learning what you can get away with and what you cant, weighing the consequences and then deciding if it is worth getting caught.  You guys in the program knew how to party I'll tell ya... tar on the soles thats some funny shit.

oh..you went to catholic school. most non-program schools dont give a shit about weed either, unless you're being obvious and obnoxious like smoking it right in front of the school at recess or handing out baggies in the hallway.

yeah dude i laughed my ass off when i head how the kid did it. you know how some skate shoes have little rubber or plastic flaps lining the corners of the shoe when you take the sole/footpad out? he took out the plastic and put in tar. the counselor who strip searched him when he was bringing it in took the sole out and stared right at it, even touched it and he couldn't tell it wasn't plastic nor rubber.

another funny story: a gay kid with a really loose asshole once stuck one huge compressed nug, like an entire branch - maybe 1-2oz, wrapped in an oven bag up his ass. he had that stuff all to himself no one wanted to touch it. but when cokeheads stuck shit up their asses.....all the other cokeheads were all over it.

no we didnt walk around with coke up our asses. we had pockets. we just brought it in up the ass because after vacations and such they would strip search us before letting us roam the campus.
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Re: John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
« Reply #164 on: August 03, 2009, 04:00:26 PM »
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another funny story: a gay kid with a really loose asshole once stuck one huge compressed nug, like an entire branch - maybe 1-2oz, wrapped in an oven bag up his ass. he had that stuff all to himself no one wanted to touch it. but when cokeheads stuck shit up their asses.....all the other cokeheads were all over it.

LOL thats funny, I hope it was flexible!  There was this kid in highschool we called “Cat burner” because he use to like to spray lighter fluid on cats and then let them loose at night and watch them run down the street.  His father was a Baptist minister.  He was really messed up but we would always take him on a run with us because he was legally deaf in one ear and wore a hearing aide.  Whenever there was a cop in the area he would get a buzzing in his ear and we could turn off.  He was worth his weight in gold.
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