John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

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[TheWho]

So now then you're back peddaling on your earlier claim of having already asked him? You've been caught in yet another lie Pete, and you're being stupid on top of that. I've already shown you two seperate postings where I requested my guest posts be linked together. I've explained to you on multiple occasions, that I so rarely guest post and new postings would make only a negligble difference. I dont even remember the last time I did post under a guest name. That being the case why would I be so willing to link my guest posts, if the situation is, as you believe, only going to highlight my playing games and "attacking you from the shadows".

Whoa, Bruce!!  If you want to attack people from the shadows that is your deal.  You don’t have to prove anything to me.  If you get off on that its fine.

I have nothing to hide Peter, to date you've been the one refusing to get on board. But I'll tell you what. Acknowledge for me right now that you are TheWho, and I will not only send Psy a PM asking him to link my guest posts, but I'll show it to you on here and ask him or Ginger to confirm it. Once that's done you agree to link up all your guest posts, and from there I will do my utmost to only engage you in civil, polite discourse. I've offered this to you before, and each time you've gone back to your usual M.O. You don't have any credibility on this, but I'm offering you another chance. I will fully listen to all you have to say and will respond to you with the same respect you show me.

Do we have a deal?

No, look Bruce.  If you have nothing to hide then you would have had your posts linked together days ago.  I have had my posts linked together a few times.  You have never done it because you have stuff to hide.  True?   True,okay.   You have 3,248 posts right now.  We will see how much it changes when you link them together.  Once that is done we will talk.  Remember, I have agreed 2 to 3 times in the past to have my posts linked together and it was done for all to see.  You on the other hand have never done it.  Let me know when yours are linked together, point me to psy's confirmation and we will go from there.  If you want to start talking civil with me you can start now.  Most people here know I am not into name calling but you are.  So you can start by changing your tone if you are sincere.

[Anonymous]

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

a sick murderer

[Anonymous]

Just for factual information purposes, Max Reuben is a survivor of HLA.

[RobertBruce]

Whoa, Bruce!! If you want to attack people from the shadows that is your deal. You don’t have to prove anything to me. If you get off on that its fine.

Is that your motivation for attacking people from the shadows? I mean you are the guy posting as a guest right now, talking to the guy who's logged in. So what's your motivation?

No, look Bruce. If you have nothing to hide then you would have had your posts linked together days ago. I have had my posts linked together a few times. You have never done it because you have stuff to hide. True? True,okay. You have 3,248 posts right now. We will see how much it changes when you link them together. Once that is done we will talk. Remember, I have agreed 2 to 3 times in the past to have my posts linked together and it was done for all to see. You on the other hand have never done it. Let me know when yours are linked together, point me to psy's confirmation and we will go from there. If you want to start talking civil with me you can start now. Most people here know I am not into name calling but you are. So you can start by changing your tone if you are sincere

 :rofl: You're conviently ignoring the fact that I asked Psy to link up my post, twice, two weeks ago. Long before any of this began. So if I actually had something to hide why would I have done that?


Things will change when you finally accept respondsibility, and are honest. Remember, you brought all this on yourself.

Show me the post where you gave Psy permission to link up your guest posts. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.

[TheWho]

Is that your motivation for attacking people from the shadows? I mean you are the guy posting as a guest right now, talking to the guy who's logged in. So what's your motivation?

Finally you are logging in.  It is difficult responding to all these guest posts, Bruce.  I sold my identity to Ursus.  What is your excuse?

You're conviently ignoring the fact that I asked Psy to link up my post, twice, two weeks ago. Long before any of this began. So if I actually had something to hide why would I have done that?

Oh, Bruce don’t get upset.  I have had them linked up plenty of times.  Now it is your turn.

Things will change when you finally accept respondsibility, and are honest. Remember, you brought all this on yourself.

Thats the difference between you and me.  I have always taken responsibility for my actions.  You have yet to do so.

Show me the post where you gave Psy permission to link up your guest posts. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.

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Just for factual information purposes, Max Reuben is a survivor of HLA.

I suspected this, but now it explains why TheWho, aka John Reuben, is so interested in defending HLA.

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John Reuben posted 4/26/04 5:01 PM
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I just enrolled my son there and am interested in contacting any other parents who have children there or have had kids there. Have heard good and bad but was very impressed when I went down there. My son had not thrived either at home or in a normal boarding school environment.

Damn, John.  Why would you send both of your kids to CEDU-clones ASR and HLA?  Was max allowed to go to his mom's funeral, or did HLA say he had to stay there?

I'd like to know why you chose these two particular CEDU spinoffs?

So, it looks like before Mike was able to get out of ASR, Max was stuffed into HLA.  Way to keep your family split up, John.  I'm sure isolating the boys from eachother and keeping Max locked up while his mom was dying was the right thing to do.

This does explaon why TheWho, aka John Reuben, is so vehement about both of these programs and why he's gone hard after survivors of these shitpits.

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John Reuben posted 4/26/04 5:01 PM
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I just enrolled my son there and am interested in contacting any other parents who have children there or have had kids there. Have heard good and bad but was very impressed when I went down there. My son had not thrived either at home or in a normal boarding school environment.

Damn, John.  Why would you send both of your kids to CEDU-clones ASR and HLA?  Was max allowed to go to his mom's funeral, or did HLA say he had to stay there?

I'd like to know why you chose these two particular CEDU spinoffs?

So, it looks like before Mike was able to get out of ASR, Max was stuffed into HLA.  Way to keep your family split up, John.  I'm sure isolating the boys from eachother and keeping Max locked up while his mom was dying was the right thing to do.

This does explaon why TheWho, aka John Reuben, is so vehement about both of these programs and why he's gone hard after survivors of these shitpits.

This makes more and more sense as the facts come out.  Keep digging, people.  Get to the bottom of it!

No wonder Whooter (Can I call you John?) has such a hardon for Robert and HLA detractors.  Looks like he made a bad investment there and doesn't want to face the facts.  No surprise there, though.  There's one born every minute...

[TheWho]

John Reuben posted 4/26/04 5:01 PM
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I just enrolled my son there and am interested in contacting any other parents who have children there or have had kids there. Have heard good and bad but was very impressed when I went down there. My son had not thrived either at home or in a normal boarding school environment.

Damn, John.  Why would you send both of your kids to CEDU-clones ASR and HLA?  Was max allowed to go to his mom's funeral, or did HLA say he had to stay there?

I'd like to know why you chose these two particular CEDU spinoffs?

So, it looks like before Mike was able to get out of ASR, Max was stuffed into HLA.  Way to keep your family split up, John.  I'm sure isolating the boys from eachother and keeping Max locked up while his mom was dying was the right thing to do.

This does explaon why TheWho, aka John Reuben, is so vehement about both of these programs and why he's gone hard after survivors of these shitpits.

This makes more and more sense as the facts come out.  Keep digging, people.  Get to the bottom of it!

No wonder Whooter (Can I call you John?) has such a hardon for Robert and HLA detractors.  Looks like he made a bad investment there and doesn't want to face the facts.  No surprise there, though.  There's one born every minute...

I would like to know how Max is doing.  Is he still talking to his dad?  Does anyone know if he is working for his dads edcon business? That would be a slap to the back of the head. You got the RobertBruce backwards, he has a hardon for thewho always had.

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Any answers, John?

[Anonymous]

You got the RobertBruce backwards, he has a hardon for thewho always had.

and Dysfunction Junction and his 'testicular fortitude'!!  

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John D. Reuben's Facebook Page

Max Reuben's Facebook Page  Have a look at TheWho!

Max is going to college at Curry and should graduate in '11, which makes sense, since he "graduated"(LOLS) HLA in '08.  Interesting to know that John kept him locked up at HLA even after the suicide attempts, rapes, beatings, etc became public.  He obviously doesn't give a fuck about his kids' welfare.

Mike Reuben's Facebook page, RIP.

John is one sad sack of shit.  He absolutely destroyed his family.  John, was Max allowed to go to the funeral or not?

[TheWho]

You got the RobertBruce backwards, he has a hardon for thewho always had.

and Dysfunction Junction and his 'testicular fortitude'!!  

Got it right!!  The two of them cant get enough of this who guy.

[TheWho]

Max is going to college at Curry and should graduate in '11, which makes sense, since he "graduated"(LOLS) HLA in '08

So much for the argument that programs are ineffective or abusive.  Max is headed down a healthy path. We read so much negativity here on fornits its refreshing to hear this story.   We should all be happy that he is doing well and his dad had the foresight to intervene at the right time.  I wish them both my best.