John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

[Anonymous]

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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

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[Troll Control]

Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book.  There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four.  It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands.  And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book.   And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.

One of the book's subjects did indeed die.  After the book was written, but dead nonetheless.  And you're saying another kid died also?  So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then?  How many in the peer group?  10?  So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead?  SCARY.

So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up?  Lying?

Funny.  Now that the Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book.  Marcus is a liar!"

If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.

[Whooter]

Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book.  There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four.  It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands.  And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book.   And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.

One of the book's subjects did indeed die.  After the book was written, but dead nonetheless.  And you're saying another kid died also?  So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then?  How many in the peer group?  10?  So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead?  SCARY.

So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up?  Lying?

Funny.  Now that the Dave Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book.  Dave Marcus is a liar!"

If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.

Great stuff, Check out the book and see for yourself.  Do the kids die? or do they move on to happier times?  This book will walk you thru the world of programs and you'll get an inside look.  Are we all living a lie?  The book has the answers.

[Anonymous]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

[Whooter]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

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Here.

[Whooter]

Ha,Ha,Ha

Lets keep it going!!!  Talk more about "Death" and I will supply the links.

[Anonymous]

Have at it asshole.  All you're doing is providing proof of what we've been saying all along.  You're a sick fuck who is cashing in on his own son's death.  A death that you greatly contributed to.  You don't get any lower than that.

[Whooter]

Have at it asshole.  All you're doing is Providing proof of what we've been saying all along.  You're a sick fuck who is cashing in on his own son's death.  A Death that you greatly contributed to.  You don't get any lower than that.

[Whooter]

Have at it asshole.  All you're doing is Providing proof of what we've been saying all along.  You're a sick fuck who is cashing in on his own son's death.  A Death that you greatly contributed to.  You don't get any lower than that.

Look calm down.  By keeping this at the top you get what you want which is to move it up on the google search which may attract this Rueben guy here or get prospective parents to read it.
My agenda is different.  I will just add links to your posts.  This way I dont have to think up something to say everytime and I wont be interfering in the other threads.  This is a win/win for both of us

[Anonymous]

My agenda is different.

Yeah, no shit.  Your agenda is to push programs.  Mine is to try and help kids.

I will just add links to your posts.  This way I dont have to think up something to say everytime and I wont be interfering in the other threads.

Of course you will.  Because you're a cold, soulless freak who profits off of kids' pain and death.  How proud you must be!


 

This is a win/win for both of us

Too bad it's the kids who lose.

[Whooter]

Yeah, no shit. Your agenda is to push programs. Mine is to try and help kids

Apparently you haven’t been reading the links like so many others have.  See the book doesn’t push programs and neither do I.  If you took time to educate yourself you would see I am the one helping kids.  

Of course you will. Because you're a cold, soulless freak who profits off of kids' pain and death. How proud you must be!

Hmmm.... Not sure what that means.

Too bad it's the kids who lose.

This where we both agree and is the reason I am here.  Unlike you I am interested in getting kids the help they need (you could care less about them).  You seem to be angry at programsand industries.  Try thinking of someone besides yourself, it may help you feel better.

Just stay focused on keeping this thread at the top.  I will handle the rest.

[Troll Control]

Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book.  There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four.  It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands.  And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book.   And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.

One of the book's subjects did indeed die.  After the book was written, but dead nonetheless.  And you're saying another kid died also?  So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then?  How many in the peer group?  10?  So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead?  SCARY.

So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up?  Lying?

Funny.  Now that the Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book.  Marcus is a liar!"

If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.

This is a great point.  This book has been held out as "proof" programs work, but now someone who currently works in the industry is claiming the Marcus book is actually full of lies; that ASR doesn't even use the program described in the book.  So who's lying?  Is it ASR?  Is it Marcus?  They can't both be true stories.

Either way, ASR has a lot of dead kids associated with it.  They die at arate of 25%.  This is an unacceptable risk especially since Aspen has admitted they don't even provide treatment.  So you're taking a 25% chance your kid will die at Aspen while knowing with surety there's a 100% chance of you kid getting no treatment.

Aspen is lose-lose for the parents and the kids.

[Whooter]

Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book.  There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four.  It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands.  And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book.   And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.

One of the book's subjects did indeed die.  After the book was written, but dead nonetheless.  And you're saying another kid died also?  So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then?  How many in the peer group?  10?  So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead?  SCARY.

So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up?  Lying?

Funny.  Now that the Dave Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book.  Marcus is a liar!"

If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.

This is a great point.  This book has been held out as "proof" programs work, but now someone who currently works in the industry is claiming the Marcus book is actually full of lies; that ASR doesn't even use the program described in the book.  So who's lying?  Is it ASR?  Is it Dave Marcus?  Is it fornits posters?They can't all be true stories.

Either way, ASR has a lot of dead kids associated with it.  They die at arate of 25%.  This is an unacceptable risk especially since Aspen has admitted they don't even provide treatment.  So you're taking a 25% chance your kid will die at Aspen while knowing with surety there's a 100% chance of you kid getting no treatment.

Aspen is lose-lose for the parents and the kids.

[Anonymous]

Christ!!!  With how much time you spend altering everyone's posts, you've GOT to be getting paid by Aspen or Reuben.  Do you have a job or is this it??  Do you sit there all fucking day, watching and waiting for a post to pop up so you can fuck with it?

Classic program tactics.  As I said, have at it asshole.  Keep proving our point.

[Whooter]

Christ!!!  With how much time you spend altering everyone's posts, you've GOT to be getting paid by Aspen or Reuben.  Do you have a job or is this it??  Do you sit there all fucking day, watching and waiting for a post to pop up so you can fuck with it?

Classic program tactics.  As I said, have at it asshole.  Keep proving our point.  Keep posting.