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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »
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]I suppose common sense would tell you that I am speaking to those who posted AND CONDONED the posting of the names...they may have been 'removed', but they were put out there and people have saved that list!!!
Well.  "You people" sounded like a pretty broad swipe.  I'm sorry if I misunderstood.
no worries, 'you people' was meant towards those who did it and condoned it happening.  one would hope we are all concerned with the best interests of children!

Talk about broad swipes, Psy - how about all the references to find the parents who send their kids to RTCs and hastening their demise? That all of these parents are monsters, etc? Wow.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2009, 05:51:51 PM »
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Talk about broad swipes, Psy - how about all the references to find the parents who send their kids to RTCs and hastening their demise? That all of these parents are monsters, etc? Wow.
I never said anything remotely similar to that.  Opinions vary on that on this forum like anything else.  Personally I think most parents are victims.  They're conned, simply put.  Sadly, the kids suffer, but I don't necessarily hold parents responsible for being deceived.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2009, 06:42:28 PM »
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Talk about broad swipes, Psy - how about all the references to find the parents who send their kids to RTCs and hastening their demise? That all of these parents are monsters, etc? Wow.
I never said anything remotely similar to that.  Opinions vary on that on this forum like anything else.  Personally I think most parents are victims.  They're conned, simply put.  Sadly, the kids suffer, but I don't necessarily hold parents responsible for being deceived.

I was not referring to you, Psy. But if you take issue with this lady's perceived generalization, then take a look at the hateful, fanatical swipes at parents in previous threads. 'Nuff said!
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2009, 06:48:02 PM »
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Dear Lizard Tits, aka Ken Hooey.

I know why you are posting here. It isn't going to work, unlike you, I'm not that big of an idiot.  We'll just have to wait and see what the future brings. We both know it won't be much longer.


As for Blombro:

CALO is every bit as toxic and disturbing as Thayer is and ever will be. You giving them any credit is a slap in the face to all of those kids jacked up in a bent wrist arm lock and thrown face first on the ground.


To the rest:

Keep in mind Mr. Ken Hooey has to protect his revenue flow. What businessman hasn't lied about his dealings to protect his profits? Don't be taken in by this scumbag.



Very nice and respectful language - Che. It is one way to avoid intelligent dialogue, eh?

One thing that comes to mind when thinking about the question "are kids free to leave" is this: are kids free to leave ANYWHERE? If my kid gets mad or upset about life in our home s/he isn't free to go. Also, in the public school they attend, they are not "free" to leave campus during the school day.

I have attended several of the CALO peer group sessions discussed earlier on this thread. There is no "screaming" or confrontation and if somebody doesn't want to talk, they can just sit there. At least two coaches are there to keep things respectful and on track, I suppose. CALO is not Elan or Family Foundation.

Most of the posters here disagree with the principle of RTCs in general, and are hell-bent to find specific "bad" things at CALO. Give it a break! And with regard to RTCs in general - if not a place like CALO, what do its detractors suggest instead? In our case it would have been jail or a lock-down psych facility.

Well, this is the paradoxical thinking we are asked to embrace when dealing with programs, isn't it?  On one hand the program says "We don't take violent, dangerous or criminal kids" and on the other hand the parents say "My kid would have been in jail or in a lockdown psych facility."  One of you isn't being honest.  

You can't say that your kid was such a danger to self or others that s/he couldn't remain at home and say at the same time that CALO is a safe environment that doesn't take kids with severe problems.  Either your kid isn't that bad and you're exaggerating (for the record I believe you) or CALO accepts dangerous and violent criminals (for the record I believe this is true).

One way or the other, we're asked to wilfully suspend disbelief in one case or the other and both statements can't be true, as they are mutually exclusive premises.

I also agree with Psy that it sounds like CALO does not use any clinically appropriate therapies.  Parents should never be allowed to sit in on group sessions (it violates so many privacy laws and ethical principles) and the people facilitating the groups have no educational basis upon which to perform this duty.

From just what Ken Huey and this one parent have posted, I can state unequivocally that CALO is not the place to send children.  Ken, Tiger, you've shot CALO in the foot trying to support it.

Tiger Eye, what's your response to this?  Does CALO accept dangerous children (you said yours was an arsonist, I believe)?  How about court-ordered kids?  What about convicted felons?

Just waiting for your answer here.  It seems you'll answer the most trivial posts like how far people live from CALO, but you're not addressing the substance of this thread.  Why wouldn't you want to respond to items like the above or bent wrist control techniques?  Seems like a very familiar tactic.  Very familiar.

So...  How about an answer to these questions, TE?
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2009, 06:59:06 PM »
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I was not referring to you, Psy. But if you take issue with this lady's perceived generalization, then take a look at the hateful, fanatical swipes at parents in previous threads. 'Nuff said!
I've done beat that horse to death already on multiple occasions.  Those who still insist parents = evil are not likely to change.  Often people see in other parents what they saw in their own.  Some kids had/have some truly sadistic parents.  They're often unwilling to accept any other possibilities.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2009, 02:51:30 PM »
Trying to catch up here....

First, thanks, Psy, for the high praise. I think you're pretty awesome too.

Second, I'm pretty sure we were obliged to follow that order. The situation cited above about the DiBold machines? In all likelihood, a jury would be more sympathetic to the whistle blower than the plaintiff. Therefore, if I were in the shoes of that site's admin I probably would do the same thing and shoot for craps with a legal challenge. This is very very different. I don't think any reasonable jury would have taken our side in this matter--copyright or no.

Third, most importantly, I don't see Ken Huey or most other program operators and staff as evil or as enemies. I have run into some personalities in this industry who are just plain mean spirited and sadistic and fewer still who I think are actually laughing up their sleeves, very consciously and intentionally taking advantage of helpless children under color of authority. But the vast majority are, in my opinion, well intended but misguided. It's not at all unusual. Up until a few years ago, transplant physicians and their entire support staffs along with patient relatives and others used to routinely keep their young patients in total isolation, deprived of the simplest comfort and human touch for fear of exposure to germs. Many of these children went completely and irreversibly feral, which meant they were unable to care for themselves after surgery and eventually died as a result. It took a cold hearted hard ass to carry through with such treatment, and yet these people were just as well intended, if misguided, as anybody.

I do believe Ken Huey is well intended and sincere. For one thing, even though he refers to Fornits as an "attack site" (belieing a definite prejudice) when I spoke with him his main concern in this matter was to protect the privacy of his students. He had no real qualm about the idea of keeping the treatment plans up with the names and faces redacted. I think he honestly believes that his methods and policies are defensible. I disagree with that but that doesn't make him an enemy. Remember that virtually all of the staff and corporate officers in the industry are, themselves, program graduates. They're just a little more brainwashed than those of us who leave it all behind and make our way back into the more commonly accepted reality. And there, but for pure near pathological stubbornness, go I. When I split the program I was on pretraining for staff. If I had stayed on (which was prerequisite for full membership in my family) I might have eventually lost the internal battle and become one of them.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2009, 01:02:35 AM »
khuey@ca-lo.com  > Ken Huey's e-mail address
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2009, 06:38:52 PM »
Why is CALO still open?
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2009, 07:16:03 PM »
That's scary all those  people in those places, people get messed up in those type of places , I am glad I ran from the seed, I here people were stuck in for years.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #69 on: September 03, 2009, 11:38:45 AM »
Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?

Has anyone been able to contact parents who received that letter from the former employee listing out the many issues at CALO?  Is that person willing to talk to the parents.  I've seen the letter and it is well written, articulate, and I know for a fact that some of the letter is 100% accurate.  I have personal knowledge that it is accurate, being a family relation to one of the "students".

Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.

Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies.  I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.

I have direct personal knowledge to share, that can be verified to the proper individuals/authorities who are seeking the same.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #70 on: September 03, 2009, 11:45:28 AM »
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Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?

Has anyone been able to contact parents who received that letter from the former employee listing out the many issues at CALO?  Is that person willing to talk to the parents.  I've seen the letter and it is well written, articulate, and I know for a fact that some of the letter is 100% accurate.  I have personal knowledge that it is accurate, being a family relation to one of the "students".

Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.

Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies.  I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.

I have direct personal knowledge to share, that can be verified to the proper individuals/authorities who are seeking the same.

From what I can gather, it is my impression that there is currently a lawsuit in progress against one or more former employees, probably filed by CALO or certain parties with essentially the same interests, and reasons for which can only be imagined.

I hope I've been sufficiently vague.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2009, 11:48:15 AM »
Is anyone willing to reply?

Looking for some real answers to CALO issues

Have direct personal knowledge of events.

Will discuss.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #72 on: September 03, 2009, 11:58:02 AM »
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Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?

Has anyone been able to contact parents who received that letter from the former employee listing out the many issues at CALO?  Is that person willing to talk to the parents.  I've seen the letter and it is well written, articulate, and I know for a fact that some of the letter is 100% accurate.  I have personal knowledge that it is accurate, being a family relation to one of the "students".

Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.

Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies.  I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.

I have direct personal knowledge to share, that can be verified to the proper individuals/authorities who are seeking the same.

From what I can gather, it is my impression that there is currently a lawsuit in progress against one or more former employees, probably filed by CALO or certain parties with essentially the same interests, and reasons for which can only be imagined.

I hope I've been sufficiently vague.

Do you have contact information for former employees and or the attorney's that would be representing former employees?
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2009, 12:34:48 PM »
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Is anyone willing to reply?

Looking for some real answers to CALO issues

Have direct personal knowledge of events.

Will discuss.

With all due respect for your intentions, should they, in fact, be genuine, "Curious George" has not posted sufficiently for most folk to get a good sense of who Curious George might be. For all anyone here knows, Curious George could actually be... say... Curious Ken, or Curious Ken's attorney, fishing for potentially libelous material or what not.  :D

So... not trying to put a damper on matters, just trying to state the obvious and inherent conundrum, for whatever worth that might be.
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Re: List of children being currently victimized at CALO, offsite
« Reply #74 on: September 03, 2009, 01:15:36 PM »
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Does anyone have any real, reliable information regarding the "abuse" at CALO?

Has anyone been able to contact parents who received that letter from the former employee listing out the many issues at CALO?  Is that person willing to talk to the parents.  I've seen the letter and it is well written, articulate, and I know for a fact that some of the letter is 100% accurate.  I have personal knowledge that it is accurate, being a family relation to one of the "students".

Am also interested in whether a lawsuit or the possibility of a class action lawsuit is, has or will be filed by the parents.

Just so we are clear, I'm not interested in all the bullshit and childish remarks I see on some of these replies.  I am a concerned family member that is seeking some real answers.

I have direct personal knowledge to share, that can be verified to the proper individuals/authorities who are seeking the same.

Curious George investigate this:  :twofinger:
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