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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2009, 03:39:14 AM »
You more clear about what "abduction" and "imprisonment" mean? You were confused!

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Maybe I'm a Pollyanna, but I would also like to believe that leopards, under different circumstances, might be able to change their spots, or at least their personalities.

And you think people who, admittedly, oversaw abduction, imprisonment, and torture a couple years before, should be allowed to abduct imprison, hold incommunicado, and be granted total authority over anyone today? Okay, psycho!

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Another serious question I have: What recommendations would you make to a parent of a teenager with attachment problems? One who the public school has been unable to help and whose mother can't control him. Is there anyplace where such a teenager can be taken for help that has the approval of the members here?
Maybe the parents of a teen with attachment problems should consider if they are worth attaching to?

A good place to start would making sure the PARENTS provide suitable homes, instead of assuming there is some kind of invisible, unproved, spontaneously occurring squiggle in a kids brain(or not spontaneously occurring, but the OTHER parents fault) and “treating it.” In other words, make the parents be half-way decent parents for a change.

Lets face it, the sort of mother who could pay some stranger to drag you over to a prison where you will spend the next year or longer, tends to have not treated you too well for a while…Should you be completely “normal,” and “attachment” prone? I mean, wouldn’t being abnormal or non-attached be the “normal” reaction of a “normal” person?

What meets “our” approval is not doing things that are obviously harmful and cruel, or involve anyone  in "crazy" non evidence-based "therapies"—doing things that improve the PARENTS of the kids, who, come on, you know this is true, are almost always the “problem.” Try letting the kid live with a friend, or relative. Get them involved in sports, theatre, letting them be, getting them a personal “coach.”the sky’s the limit
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2009, 03:45:48 AM »
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I own two message boards where people post links, and links lead to other links, and still others. Once I click on a link, I can get lost for an hour or more, going from link to link. ADD again.

 :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  link? You're as likely to be just pasing through as just passing through "justpassingthru." My 2 cents
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #107 on: June 22, 2009, 03:58:36 AM »
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I own two message boards where people post links, and links lead to other links, and still others. Once I click on a link, I can get lost for an hour or more, going from link to link. ADD again.

 :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  link? You're as likely to be just pasing through as just passing through "justpassingthru." My 2 cents

viewforum.php?f=41

You like following links? Follow ^^. There is an entire forum dedicated to abduction, imprisonment and torture as instituted by Nicole F.,curent CALO henchman, at Hidden Lake Academy. That links (started by former disciple) to an abduction, imprisonment and torture brainwashing gulag called CEDU, which itself links (started by former disciple) to Synanon

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/200 ... n-industry

More about Ken Huey, operator of CALO:
http://www.provotruthexposed.com/

Are you a health care practitioner? If you are, you could see that even in CALO's docs the "treatment" plans that sound good to you, are not valid therapies. Calling something "cognitive" therapy or canine therapy, does not make it thus.


Are you a licensed psychiatrist? If you are, you could see that even in CALO's docs the "treatment" plans that sound good to you, are not valid therapies. Calling something "cognitive" therapy or canine therapy, does not make it thus.

http://www.provotruthexposed.com/

Are you a health care practitioner? If you are, you could see that even in CALO's docs the "treatment" plans that sound good to you, are not valid therapies. Calling something "cognitive" therapy or canine therapy, does not make it thus.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #108 on: June 22, 2009, 03:59:19 AM »
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I own two message boards where people post links, and links lead to other links, and still others. Once I click on a link, I can get lost for an hour or more, going from link to link. ADD again.

 :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  link? You're as likely to be just pasing through as just passing through "justpassingthru." My 2 cents

What message board? I'd be amazed to this where this got posted, if it did...
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2009, 04:06:51 AM »
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Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.

Until evidence proves otherwise, I'll assume you are for real ... for the moment. ;)

Although I cannot in actuality speak for Guest, I do believe that by "abduction" she was referring to the euphemistically termed "teen escort services" that are recommended by a lot of these places.

This experience basically entails being woken up in the middle of the night by 2-3 very large burly men equipped with martial arts skills, handcuffs, and God knows what else under their belt ... for the purpose of being transported to some program that the kid does not want to go to. These escorts then transport these kids door-to-door.

It's a bit of a different experience than when done by a family member. I also suspect that these programs may be a mite bit different than your daughter's family farm school. Where did she go?

Reading about the "escort services," I now can see that it's a horrifying method of getting a teen to the school. Do you know for sure that CALO hires these "services"? And yes, you're right, my daughter's delivery to school was quite a bit different. She went to the Putney School in Vermont.

Thank you for your information, and your patience in explaining these things to me.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2009, 04:20:25 AM »
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I own two message boards where people post links, and links lead to other links, and still others. Once I click on a link, I can get lost for an hour or more, going from link to link. ADD again.

 :roflmao:  ::fullofshit::  link? You're as likely to be just pasing through as just passing through "justpassingthru." My 2 cents

What message board? I'd be amazed to this where this got posted, if it did...

I didn't say it was posted on a message board. More often than not, people post links to non-message-board sites. And sorry, my message boards are by invitation only.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #111 on: June 22, 2009, 04:27:44 AM »
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Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.

Until evidence proves otherwise, I'll assume you are for real ... for the moment. ;)

Although I cannot in actuality speak for Guest, I do believe that by "abduction" she was referring to the euphemistically termed "teen escort services" that are recommended by a lot of these places.

This experience basically entails being woken up in the middle of the night by 2-3 very large burly men equipped with martial arts skills, handcuffs, and God knows what else under their belt ... for the purpose of being transported to some program that the kid does not want to go to. These escorts then transport these kids door-to-door.

It's a bit of a different experience than when done by a family member. I also suspect that these programs may be a mite bit different than your daughter's family farm school. Where did she go?

Reading about the "escort services," I now can see that it's a horrifying method of getting a teen to the school.

Once an organization abducts a person, through a contracted trafficker, or personally, it ceases to be anything that can be described with the moniker "school."

Putney is a real school. CALO and orgs. that accept people who have been abducted are not.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #112 on: June 22, 2009, 04:39:47 AM »
Do you know for certain that CALO has used these teen escort services? Are you assuming, based on the presence of staff members who worked at abusive places, or do you have names and dates when the incidents occurred?
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #113 on: June 22, 2009, 06:31:46 AM »
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Do you know for certain that CALO has used these teen escort services? Are you assuming, based on the presence of staff members who worked at abusive places, or do you have names and dates when the incidents occurred?

Tell you what, houseguest. When you link the sites you run, and relate a credible method of “hearing" that people's personal information was being posted, I'll answer your question.

Cause you seem about as crooked right now as a three Ws on a broken finger, and weirdly conniving.  A real parent would be busy scraping their jaw off their lap after reading what went on at Hidden Lake Academy and Provo Canyon where your employers (amirite?) Ken Huey and Nicole Fuglsang, oversaw torture and brainwashing. In your next incarnation try a little more concern about victims in general, and a little less “legally” language like
“do you have names and dates when the incidents occurred?”
Keep phishing. I mean, god.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #114 on: June 22, 2009, 06:51:25 AM »
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Quote from: "Ursus"
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Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.

Until evidence proves otherwise, I'll assume you are for real ... for the moment. ;)

Although I cannot in actuality speak for Guest, I do believe that by "abduction" she was referring to the euphemistically termed "teen escort services" that are recommended by a lot of these places.

This experience basically entails being woken up in the middle of the night by 2-3 very large burly men equipped with martial arts skills, handcuffs, and God knows what else under their belt ... for the purpose of being transported to some program that the kid does not want to go to. These escorts then transport these kids door-to-door.

It's a bit of a different experience than when done by a family member. I also suspect that these programs may be a mite bit different than your daughter's family farm school. Where did she go?

Reading about the "escort services," I now can see that it's a horrifying method of getting a teen to the school. Do you know for sure that CALO hires these "services"? And yes, you're right, my daughter's delivery to school was quite a bit different. She went to the Putney School in Vermont.

Thank you for your information, and your patience in explaining these things to me.

I should apologize for my angst earlier, you see we get a lot of people here just out to call us liars and bait us into revealing sensitive information in order to use it against us. Just over yonder to another thread there is an miserable troll making up lies about the circumstances of my recently late grandmother's death. Our trolls, especially those pulled in from the industry we oppose can be cunning and ruthless, but most of all frustrating to no end, so please forgive us if we have our guard up most of the time.

SO for the sake of starting over, may I offer you a tale of my experience in a program such as CALO?

Please Read Here: La Experiencia de Fem

This place ruined my life, truly, utterly and completely and there is nothing I wouldn't do to keep that from happening to another teen, even if just one. So the answer to your question isn't specifically that CALO uses bent wrist techniques, or that they employ escorts to kidnapp kids from their beds or even that Ken Huey has been in the child torturing business for YEARS... the answer to your question is because I am a survivor and I will ALWAYS fight this fight... regardless of how hard it may be or how many people tell me I'm wasting my time, I will keep doing anything and everything I can to make a difference, and even if that means I sometimes support actions that seem to be attacking these programs that to those who are unaware of the issues we take with the Troubled Teen Industry, seem to be "private schools" or "therapeutic boarding schools", trust me, we have a TON of experience discerning the difference between an abusive program, and a harmless boarding school. I think that's what fuels our fire, we find out about a new one popping up everyday... it impossible to stay on top of them all, but when we get some of the leads like have been acquired here at CALO, we go for the throat.

Well hope that about sums it up.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #115 on: June 22, 2009, 07:07:14 AM »
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Do you know for certain that CALO has used these teen escort services? Are you assuming, based on the presence of staff members who worked at abusive places, or do you have names and dates when the incidents occurred?

Correct me if I'm wrong here guys, but even if a child is somehow convinced to be driven by their parents to this facility that doesn't mean that they are not being obducted, in the sense that they are being cast from society and denied even the most appropriate allowance of communication with the outside world, their incarceration is being privately funded outside of due process of the law and these children are subject to methods that range from the least invasive being mind control and then escalating but not limited to physical abuse.

If the parental consent were not factored into this equation we would have a national scandal on our hands.... my question is why is it that for some reason parental consent to torture somehow over-shadows the human rights of the child to be protected from such.

Seriously houseguest, if you are new here and truly not affiliated with CALO, why are you not more concerned for the welfare of the children instead of playing the defense lawyer? I bet thats it.... Your most likely the defense lawyer of CALO trying to see what kind of evidence we've got against your client. I'm sorry bud but that's not information we throw around these boards, contrary to popular belief some of us operate with a bit more tact and discretion.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #116 on: June 22, 2009, 06:29:02 PM »
Thank you to Ursus, Guest, and FemanonFatal. I have, in the past, heard rumors about the "escort" services (thinking it was an invention of a television writer's mind), but the experience Fem has described makes my hair stand on end. Simply horrifying, and thank goodness those two places, at least, no longer exist. In the links you gave, there was no mention of either of the CALO people who used to be somewhere else. I'll go back and see if I can find a link to their previous employment. I truly would like to believe that "that was then and this is now," and that CALO uses different techniques (the dogs, for example) and has gone in a different direction, even with those staff members. Isn't it possible that the staff members left there in order to start a place with a new and different methodology?

Guest, please don't worry about me being a spy for the other side. I'm merely a bystander wanting to learn more (and so far my eyes have really been opened, aand I've just scratched the surface). I hope you'll forgive my naive questions and explain things to me -- think of me as a kindergartner who is just learning to read. I haven't jumped in here with plenty of knowledge about these places and this industry. I kind of fell into it, and I have to learn where the fight is, and whether or not it's possible that this particular school, which is new-ish, might have found a different way by people who knew first hand that the old ways are ineffective.

Somewhere, either here or in one of the links to an unrelated site, I read that rather than using the wrist bend technique, a non-touching talking-till-they're-sick-of-listening approach seems to be more effective. Certainly it would behoove schools to give that a good try. It's still unclear to me that CALO is using the restraining techniques in a way that tortures and injures teens, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to wonder.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #117 on: June 22, 2009, 07:03:15 PM »
^The Who^  Dumbass.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #118 on: June 22, 2009, 07:13:57 PM »
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It's still unclear to me that CALO is using the restraining techniques in a way that tortures and injures teens, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll continue to wonder.

That's fair, but I hope you can understand none of us have the authority to post testimony of survivors unless they first do so themselves. It's both a privacy issue as well a legal precaution.

I can't tell you that the simple fact that these people are running ANOTHER "tough love" program proves their guilt, but I can tell you that the fundamental properties of a program such as CALO are at best still violating the human rights of children in their care. Like it has been said, this is just the tip of the ice burg and until were able to coax more survivors out of the woodwork all we can do is give you the FACTS about the structure of the program, and things they refer to in their own materials that we can identify as violations and abusive tactics. That's all WE can offer you, if you need a first hand witness report you will have to track down a survivor and get them to agree to share that information with you. WE don't have the authorization to provide you with that, and to be honest I wouldn't want to ask someone to spill their guts about this heart-wrenching experience in order to post it on Fornits. As you may or may not have already realized, we have a few predatory trolls here who could very likely abuse their trust in us to release that information to hurt or exploit them. That's just not something I and many of us here would be willing to do to someone who has already been through so much.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #119 on: June 22, 2009, 07:19:59 PM »
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^The Who^  Dumbass.

I think perhaps you are right? Perhaps afraid of being sued, it assumed  a 'noobie' personality?
I still recomend that Fem subpeaona the IP of the it that said her grandma died alone, unloved, etc. Wouldn’t it be amusing to find out WHO it is?
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