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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #90 on: June 22, 2009, 12:59:25 AM »
I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2009, 01:27:04 AM »
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I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.

I know, when you cannot think soundly enough to respond substantively, you gotta focus on the typos.

Poor, sad, creature... if you weren't  such a moron you would have noticed I ANSWERED your question. To restate myself:
 our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner.

That is a SERIOUS issue, and quite enough to generate “beef.”  Dontcha think? Or perhaps I should kidnap and imprison you a couple years to give you some free insight into the issue.

It continues beyond that, of course, but to save myself a lot of linking and explaining things to an idiot that answer is more than sufficient

Curious, since you have no “dog in this fight” how did you come to this corner of the interweb, a forum for survivors of the “troubled teen” abduction, imprisonment, and torture industry, and the folk who earn their keep in that peculiar institution. Feel free to be creative with your unlikely story.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2009, 01:32:20 AM »
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I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.

http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php? ... 9&start=15 > Read the first post, then research restraints based around "bent wrist control and variations."  This is what originally started our investigation into CALO.

http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=27761 > There are allot of schools that use Positive Control Systems which is frightening.  When a child is restrained by a staff who utilizes Positive Control Systems, he or she thinks, "I must comply to avoid physical pain."
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2009, 01:34:17 AM »
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Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about.

The reason we usually have to intervene, most of us are survivors or otherwise have other personal ties to what goes on in these facilities and it isnt uncommon for us to share stories. I wouldn't disgrace a sources experience by posting it for them, I'll let the survivors come to tell their own testimonies. All I can do is relate, my experience was pretty harsh, and from what I've heard about the brutality of the restraint in these school I can only classify it as the same kind of "torture", and act accordingly.

Beyond that, when you have been in a residential treatment program its easier for us to pin point the tell tale signs of an abusive and oppressive program, some of which can be identified within their own marketing materials, and certainly through out their "treatment plans".

However I believe the above should already be assumed, and it seems to me your not asking for the reason, but rather for us to declare our evidence, and sorry but that's not something I have any authority to post here. Besides, my stance on this whole thing is that NO HUMAN BEING should be incarcerated outside of due process of the law, so the mere fact that there would be any kids held against their will in any lock down facility would have the power to spring me into action...

This isnt anything new dude, we've been watchdoggin for years now, only difference is this Well Proxied guy has introduced a new, precarious yet damn effective strategy into the mix... and all of a sudden you question our reasoning?
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2009, 01:51:34 AM »
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 Besides, my stance on this whole thing is that NO HUMAN BEING should be incarcerated outside of due process of the law, so the mere fact that there would be any kids held against their will in any lock down facility would have the power to spring me into action...


Perhaps houseguest is a friend of one of the "parents" or guards of a prisoner? Perhaps she does not know that organizations that abduct and hold people prisoner without due process (and are not even psychiatric hospitals) exist—who the hell would unless you were one of the lucky ones to be afforded this experience?

I think she wants "evidence" that CALO holds people against their will and abducts people (accepts them from "escorts")
Any direct links for that?
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2009, 02:15:36 AM »
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I've just been trying to figure out how you came to have a beef with this particular school. I don't know much about it, but I very much like the concept of interaction between the students and the dogs. All of these kids have attachment problems, from what I understand. And giving them the responsibilities and care of dogs, who love unconditionally, seems to be a good idea. Children who were adopted after the first year or so, and were adopted from an institutional setting, do tend to have problems that children adopted as newborns don't have.

I agree with you that the usage of dogs as a bonding tool seems like a wonderful idea at first glance. Not just because dogs "love unconditionally," but also as a means for helping kids develop an appreciation for another being's needs, and the emotional rewards that such a give-and-take can foster.

I also agree with your observation regarding attachment issues that some adopted kids can have. "Attachment Therapy," on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ballgame.

Do note that the people that founded and run CALO are not life-long animal professionals or attachment theory specialists. They have built their careers in the "troubled teen industry" by working in some of the more coercive behavior modification facilities around.

In fact, a number of fornits users have already crossed paths with these people due to having attended these facilities, or having once been employed in them, during the tenure of said CALO personnel.

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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2009, 02:23:51 AM »
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I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.

I know, when you cannot think soundly enough to respond substantively, you gotta focus on the typos.

Poor, sad, creature... if you weren't  such a moron you would have noticed I ANSWERED your question. To restate myself:
 our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner.

That is a SERIOUS issue, and quite enough to generate “beef.”  Dontcha think? Or perhaps I should kidnap and imprison you a couple years to give you some free insight into the issue.

It continues beyond that, of course, but to save myself a lot of linking and explaining things to an idiot that answer is more than sufficient

Curious, since you have no “dog in this fight” how did you come to this corner of the interweb, a forum for survivors of the “troubled teen” abduction, imprisonment, and torture industry, and the folk who earn their keep in that peculiar institution. Feel free to be creative with your unlikely story.

Well, I think there IS a moron in this conversation, but it's not me. You certainly did NOT answer my question. Your "answer": "our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner." I asked for links that would show evidence and reliable research connecting CALO with this. It's not a FACT unless you can back it up. It's not a FACT just because you say it's a fact. I could tell you that it's a FACT that the moon is made of green cheese. According to your logic, that would make it true. Who's the moron?

I came to this "corner of the interweb" because I heard that someone was posting personal information about teenagers in a private school, including some of their treatment reports. I wanted to see for myself what kind of person would do such a thing, hurting a child he claims to be trying to protect. Or are those kids just collateral damage in your personal little war that's based on "FACTS" that you can't back up?

Again, how many interviews have been done with CALO students, past or present? Do you have photographs of staff using this bent wrist maneuver, whatever the hell that is? And I ask again, just how are these students "abducted"? I remember a kid who was going to his first day of kindergarten. His mother took him to the school and left him there, and he screamed bloody murder for the three hours until the half-day was over. It seems, if I were to follow your specious logic, that that kindergartner was abducted by an unfeeling parent, and held hostage by a kindergarten teacher.

My younger daughter went to a boarding school because she was doing badly in our local public school which wouldn't acknowledge that she had problems focusing. She and I went together and looked at two boarding schools. One was very preppy and all the kids were wearing clothes that I could tell had designer labels inside. Not the place for my daughter. We went to visit the second school, and it was completely different. My daughter would receive much more individualized education, and would learn responsibility because it was a working farm and all the kids had jobs that rotated. It was very artsy. Everyone had barn duty at some point, which meant getting up at 5 a.m. and milking the cows. Now when I took my daughter up there, she was not happy. She wanted to be back at her old school with her friends. She called me daily for awhile, wanting to come home. So, according to you, I "abducted" her although she actually put herself into the car, I took her to a place where she didn't want to be -- because I knew better than she did that she would be better off there, and I allowed her to be held hostage by some cows. Well, it didn't take long before she loved the school, and has never regretted going there. But the FACT apparently is that she was abducted and held hostage.

Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2009, 02:34:53 AM »
It sounds like you were not fit to handle a problem that could have been taken care of years ago by being proactive.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #98 on: June 22, 2009, 02:46:03 AM »
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I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.

I know, when you cannot think soundly enough to respond substantively, you gotta focus on the typos.

Poor, sad, creature... if you weren't  such a moron you would have noticed I ANSWERED your question. To restate myself:
 our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner.

That is a SERIOUS issue, and quite enough to generate “beef.”  Dontcha think? Or perhaps I should kidnap and imprison you a couple years to give you some free insight into the issue.

It continues beyond that, of course, but to save myself a lot of linking and explaining things to an idiot that answer is more than sufficient

Curious, since you have no “dog in this fight” how did you come to this corner of the interweb, a forum for survivors of the “troubled teen” abduction, imprisonment, and torture industry, and the folk who earn their keep in that peculiar institution. Feel free to be creative with your unlikely story.

Well, I think there IS a moron in this conversation, but it's not me. You certainly did NOT answer my question. Your "answer": "our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner." I asked for links that would show evidence and reliable research connecting CALO with this. It's not a FACT unless you can back it up. It's not a FACT just because you say it's a fact. I could tell you that it's a FACT that the moon is made of green cheese. According to your logic, that would make it true. Who's the moron?

I came to this "corner of the interweb" because I heard that someone was posting personal information about teenagers in a private school, including some of their treatment reports. I wanted to see for myself what kind of person would do such a thing, hurting a child he claims to be trying to protect. Or are those kids just collateral damage in your personal little war that's based on "FACTS" that you can't back up?

Again, how many interviews have been done with CALO students, past or present? Do you have photographs of staff using this bent wrist maneuver, whatever the hell that is? And I ask again, just how are these students "abducted"? I remember a kid who was going to his first day of kindergarten. His mother took him to the school and left him there, and he screamed bloody murder for the three hours until the half-day was over. It seems, if I were to follow your specious logic, that that kindergartner was abducted by an unfeeling parent, and held hostage by a kindergarten teacher.

My younger daughter went to a boarding school because she was doing badly in our local public school which wouldn't acknowledge that she had problems focusing. She and I went together and looked at two boarding schools. One was very preppy and all the kids were wearing clothes that I could tell had designer labels inside. Not the place for my daughter. We went to visit the second school, and it was completely different. My daughter would receive much more individualized education, and would learn responsibility because it was a working farm and all the kids had jobs that rotated. It was very artsy. Everyone had barn duty at some point, which meant getting up at 5 a.m. and milking the cows. Now when I took my daughter up there, she was not happy. She wanted to be back at her old school with her friends. She called me daily for awhile, wanting to come home. So, according to you, I "abducted" her although she actually put herself into the car, I took her to a place where she didn't want to be -- because I knew better than she did that she would be better off there, and I allowed her to be held hostage by some cows. Well, it didn't take long before she loved the school, and has never regretted going there. But the FACT apparently is that she was abducted and held hostage.

Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.



Really, you "heard" about this? Anyone else here receive updates about the goings on at every obscure website somewhat tangentially related to one of your personal experiences?

 Sorry, I'm calling bullshit. But your story was indeed creative, as I requested.

As a probable sock puppet and liar, your make believe confusion about what we mean by abduction and imprisonment is TIRESOME

However, on the off chance some  semi-human being reads this thread who simply has NO IDEA that the sort of evil referred to in this thread transpires, or you are a member of a telekinetically connected to the heartbeat of the internet social site, here is what we mean by abduction and imprisonment:

http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm

There are a 1000 other papers, sites, court cases that would provide more collaboration, but this will do, unless “houseguest” wants to imply this is not FACT, as well.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #99 on: June 22, 2009, 02:47:41 AM »
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Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.

Until evidence proves otherwise, I'll assume you are for real ... for the moment. ;)

Although I cannot in actuality speak for Guest, I do believe that by "abduction" she was referring to the euphemistically termed "teen escort services" that are recommended by a lot of these places.

This experience basically entails being woken up in the middle of the night by 2-3 very large burly men equipped with martial arts skills, handcuffs, and God knows what else under their belt ... for the purpose of being transported to some program that the kid does not want to go to. These escorts then transport these kids door-to-door.

It's a bit of a different experience than when done by a family member. I also suspect that these programs may be a mite bit different than your daughter's family farm school. Where did she go?
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #100 on: June 22, 2009, 03:05:33 AM »
b4 torturing kids at CALO, Ken Huey tortured them at Provo:


http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsnz.asp#provocanyon...

Safe Choices for Troubled Teens
Residential treatment centers for troubled teens are plagued by allegations of abuse and
ineffectiveness. But do anguished parents have an alternative?
By Anthony Meza-Wilson and Christy Harrison
Posted August 12, 2004 at www.askquestions.org

Helen Taylor didn’t feel like she had much choice. A registered nurse and mother of five,
Taylor was caring for a sick parent and studying for a law degree when her seventeenyear-
old daughter Grace* was raped at a party and fell into  depression.  Taylor, who lives in Thousand Oaks, California, knew she
couldn’t handle Grace’s needs by herself. She took Grace to a therapist, who recognized
the overwhelming nature of Taylor’s other responsibilities and suggested that Taylor
place her daughter in residential treatment. Mother and daughter both agreed that a fulltime
care facility was a good idea, and Grace, who had always been a well-adjusted,
bright girl, was willing to do whatever the therapist suggested in order to get better.


Taylor asked a neighbor for advice, and after a little research and a tour of the facility,
decided on a treatment center in Utah called Provo Canyon School. When Grace entered
in December, 2003, the school promised therapy mixed with outdoor sports, dances, and
other recreational activities.


Less than a month later, says Taylor, Grace came home covered in bruises, gaunt and
traumatized by her experiences. On one of the worst nights, says Taylor, staff forcibly
injected Grace with the antipsychotic drug Haldol for supposed insubordination. Grace’s
only crime, she told Taylor, was telling staff she needed to use the bathroom. Grace
awoke to a kick the next morning and found herself lying on a hallway floor, her vision
blurred and her facial muscles severely contorted.

Worse still, Taylor says that Grace, a
rape victim and voluntary patient, was forced to submit to strip searches on several
occasions and was sexually assaulted by Provo Canyon staff—only compounding
Grace’s emotional despair. Provo Canyon did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Despite horror stories like this one, there is big business in residential treatment centers
like Provo Canyon: there were 43,365 admissions to RTCs in 1997, and 27,642 patients
under care in RTCs at that time, according to a 2000 report by the United States Surgeon
General’s office http://www.mentalhealth.org/publications/allpubs/SMA01-
3537/chapter15.asp


Private residential treatment centers can cost as much as a year in college; they’re mostly
the province of well-off parents. However, some insurance companies will cover
treatment at schools accredited by Joint Commission for Accreditation of Healthcare
Organizations (JCAHO), an independent, nonprofit organization that inspects and
accredits nearly 16,000 health care facilities in the United States.

But JCAHO’s standards
are geared mainly toward monitoring surgical and pharmacological procedures. And so
RTCs, which are more like boarding schools than traditional hospitals, can become
accredited under standards that have little to do with the daily programs and activities
practiced in them. Many RTCs are not accredited at all.


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Some residential treatment programs have amassed a disturbing number of complaints
from kids and parents who, like the Taylors, allege that the schools physically and
mentally abuse their students. Recent articles in the New York Times and the UK
Guardian document abuses at treatment centers abroad including Tranquility Bay School
in Jamaica. Controversy has arisen in Tranquility Bay amid the death of a student, parent
custody battles, and allegations of unlawful incarceration. Lawsuits have been brought
against the Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS), an
affiliated group of private residential treatment centers and schools that manages
Tranquility Bay. And there are many complaints about other RTCs on websites run by
watchdog groups, parents, and survivors.


Most RTCs use a religious "tough love" approach to treatment, doling out points for
“appropriate behavior” and imposing consequences—ranging from the loss of phone
privileges to solitary confinement and physical punishments, according to survivors.
In recent years, government agencies in other countries have begun to crack down on
these American-owned programs; authorities in Costa Rica, Mexico and the Czech
Republic have shut down at least four WWASPS programs thus far. But in the United
States, regulators have been less assertive. In 2003, Congressman George Miller of
California asked the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) to investigate a growing
number of allegations against WWASPS, but to date the DOJ has taken no action.

In
Utah, State Office of Licensing Director Ken Stettler proposed legislation that would
have established stricter licensing requirements for teen treatment centers, but it didn’t fly
with lawmakers. As Stettler told the Salt Lake Tribune in April, 2004,
http://166.70.44.66/2004/apr/04102004/utah/155803.asp many Utah legislators felt that
his office was “empire building” when it proposed instituting licenses for the paid “escort
services” that private treatment centers use to transport teens to their facilities, even
though there are many complaints against them.


After her daughter’s ordeal, Helen Taylor mounted a letter-writing campaign to inform
Stettler and other state and federal legislators of Grace’s experiences at Provo Canyon,
but to date she has only received a couple of terse replies.

She feels that these legislators
are taking reports of child abuse in their state very lightly and that the police are clearly
acting in league with abusive schools.

 Local police routinely come out to help Provo
Canyon deal with attempted escapes, for example, but have not investigated the
children’s charges of abuse. “This is political corruption at its worst,” Taylor said.
Parents like Taylor commonly assume that there is more government oversight than
actually exists within the treatment industry. On the contrary, kids incarcerated in a
juvenile prison may have more protection from abuse than kids voluntarily enrolled in
private treatment centers. The DOJ routinely shuts down juvenile prisons when abuse
occurs, but it has yet to investigate the private RTCs. The industry is not well regulated,
most facilities operate without accreditation or a license, and some take unfair advantage
of distressed parents. Some families have experienced problems with the enrollment
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contracts, discovering too late that they signed away too much authority or waived too
many of their legal rights regarding disputes with the schools.
Survivors and parents have formed watchdog groups and mounted education campaigns
to warn other families about the risks. Some are listed below. Other parents are pressing
lawmakers to step in: Helen Taylor has developed an email list for updates on her
attempts to contact legislators, while another parent launched Fornits, a web forum with
an extensive teen treatment section allowing survivors and parents to air their
frustrations, tell their stories, and strategize the legal and criminal investigation of
abusive facilities.
And even parents whose children were well served at residential programs are wary of
the teen treatment industry because of the big money involved. Linnea Soderlund, a
parent who sent her teenage son to two different residential programs primarily for what
she called “out-of-control behavior,” says that parents should proceed with extreme
caution when selecting a residential program. “Consultants and programs are happy to
take thousands of dollars from you in exchange for the hope of saving your kid,”
Soderlund wrote me in an email. She says, “Stay in close touch if you place your child in
a treatment program,” because parental vigilance is the best protection against abuse.
Soderlund also counsels parents to seek expert diagnosis when determining whether to
send a child to residential treatment. “I would urge anyone considering residential
treatment to obtain a physical exam and complete psychological evaluation before
making any plans for treatment,” she wrote. While she said that the psychological
evaluation was a large expense not covered by insurance, she was “immeasurably
thankful” that she got one for her daughter. “This is the only way to determine what the
issues are and what is at stake,” she wrote.
Karen Stanton, another parent who has enrolled a child in residential treatment and was
particularly happy with the results, agrees that it’s crucial to screen both the child and the
school. Her son, Peter, was diagnosed with dyslexia at a young age, and she and her
husband had tried numerous treatments including therapy, Ritalin, summer programs, and
a private school for students with learning disabilities. Nothing worked, she said, until
she found an educational consultant who reviewed Peter’s test results, talked to his
teachers and therapists, and helped find programs that were tailored to his specific needs.
Stanton says that their consultant was “expensive, but totally worth the money.” Stanton
added, “We were desperate when we went to her.”
Several parents we spoke with reported using educational consultants with good results,
but here again, parents must be careful. Some consultants accept financial rewards for
enrolling kids in specific programs, so bias could be a problem. It is important to ask
about any commercial ties between your consultant and the schools so that you can
evaluate their recommendations accordingly.
Unfortunately, even if a parent finds a suitable, non-abusive program, there is no
guarantee that the program will provide long-lasting results. Dr. Oscar Bukstein, an
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associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine who
specializes in children’s psychiatric disorders, says that even when kids make progress in
these “tough-love” residential programs, they very often have trouble reincorporating the
skills they learn into their home lives. “When kids get back to their original situation,
they start to slip back,” he said. “If anything, the center is probably a safe holding place
until kids mature out of [their behavior problems].”
Bukstein also says that some parents send their kids to residential treatment too early,
without first considering other and potentially better options. He says therapy and
community-based intensive treatment centers that provide more than just an hour a week
of counseling are good options for overwhelmed parents, and that generally kids don’t
need “tough love” to be treated effectively. “You have to model appropriate behavior,”
he said, “but intimidation doesn’t model appropriate behavior—being tough and
consistent doesn’t entail being mean and abusive.”
The late Dr. Loren Mosher, Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of
California at San Diego School of Medicine and former Chief of the Center for Studies of
Schizophrenia at the National Institutes of Mental Health, agreed that residential centers
aren’t effective at training patients to function in their normal environment. “If those
programs are not continued after they get back,” he said, “the learning they received is
gone within three weeks to six months.” Mosher, who is best known as the founder of
Soteria, a revolutionary treatment center for schizophrenics that eschewed medication
and placed patients in a shared living situation with non-medical-professionals, said that
any effective treatment should involve the whole family. “Anything that doesn’t,” he
said, “is probably a waste of time.” He advocated straightforward family counseling,
which is widely available and which, he said, usually costs a whole lot less than
residential programs.
“I don’t think there’s much out there to tell parents about where you draw the line
between normal teenage acting-out and serious behavior problems,” said Barbara Huff,
Executive Director of the Federation of Families for Children’s Mental Health. While she
says there are no easy answers to this question, guidance counselors at the local schools,
private therapists, and other professionals can help identify children with behavior
problems early on and can also work with families to find appropriate solutions.
And above all, experts agree, parents should avoid giving in to embarrassment or despair
that keeps them from seeking appropriate help close to home. “We all fear the stigma that
is attached to ‘troubled teens,’” said Dawn Martin-Rugo, a parent who enrolled her
daughter in a wilderness program and a therapeutic boarding school. “We want to protect
our teen and ourselves from the judgments of others, but it is important to get over this
fear as quickly as possible—everyone knows someone who has a child who has “fallen
apart.’” Common sense and community support are your best protections against the false
promises offered by unscrupulous people who stand to profit from selling you an
expensive residential program. If your children or your friends’ children run into trouble,
consider these tips from other parents and mental health experts:
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? Get a ‘reality check’ from school officials, teachers, family, and friends to help
assess the seriousness of the child’s behavior problems.
? Explore local options first, and look for a therapy program that works with the
whole family, not just the teen.
? Invest in physical and psychological assessments that will define the child’s
problem and point to appropriate remedies.
? Hire an educational consultant who works only for the family (and does not
receive a commission from schools).
? Investigate the schools in person, and also check with the parent watchdog groups
(listed below) to avoid the worst offenders.
? Ask a lawyer to review enrollment contracts before signing them.
? And finally, stay in contact with the child throughout their stay in a residential
facility so that you can move them out quickly at the first sign of trouble.
Resources for Parents
NoSpank.net is the work of a group called Parents and Teachers Against Violence in
Education. The site provides a good collection of documents and news articles from a
range of sources. http://www.nospank.net/boot.htm
The International Survivors Action Committee</a> is a nonprofit, independent watchdog
organization. Their site includes a list of warning signs to help parents avoid abusive
programs, as well as a list of schools with the most damaging track records.
http://www.isaccorp.com/index.html
The Straights is a website created by a father named Wesley Fager, who has been
campaigning for reform of residential treatment programs since 1989 when his son was
abused in one. His site includes his book and information about other books on the
subject. http://www.thestraights.com
Personal testimonials from survivors and their families can be found at Fornits.com/wwf
http://fornits.com/wwf
The Independent Educational Consultants Association (IECA) has a ‘find a consultant’
feature on their web site, as well as some general information about working with a
consultant. http://www.educationalconsulting.org/
Here are well researched, recent news articles: from the NY Times, January 2003,
“Parents Divided Over Jamaica Disciplinary Academy” http://nospank.net/n-k52.htm and
from the British paper, Guardian an article published last summer also looks at the
Tranquility Bay program in Jamaica.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine ... 72,00.html And “Drug
Mistreatment" from Mother Jones Magazine documents how courts and schools often
force parent to put kids into treatment who may not actually need it.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature ... rehab.html
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #101 on: June 22, 2009, 03:07:33 AM »
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #102 on: June 22, 2009, 03:14:35 AM »
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I've just been trying to figure out how you came to have a beef with this particular school. I don't know much about it, but I very much like the concept of interaction between the students and the dogs. All of these kids have attachment problems, from what I understand. And giving them the responsibilities and care of dogs, who love unconditionally, seems to be a good idea. Children who were adopted after the first year or so, and were adopted from an institutional setting, do tend to have problems that children adopted as newborns don't have.

I agree with you that the usage of dogs as a bonding tool seems like a wonderful idea at first glance. Not just because dogs "love unconditionally," but also as a means for helping kids develop an appreciation for another being's needs, and the emotional rewards that such a give-and-take can foster.

I also agree with your observation regarding attachment issues that some adopted kids can have. "Attachment Therapy," on the other hand, is a whole 'nother ballgame.

Do note that the people that founded and run CALO are not life-long animal professionals or attachment theory specialists. They have built their careers in the "troubled teen industry" by working in some of the more coercive behavior modification facilities around.

In fact, a number of fornits users have already crossed paths with these people due to having attended these facilities, or having once been employed in them, during the tenure of said CALO personnel.

Most leopards do not change their spots.

Thank you for your well-considered and polite answer. And for actually giving me an idea of why many members are skeptical of CALO, based on past experience with some of their staff. Your post makes a lot of sense.

I would like to believe that bringing the dogs into the mix is an attempt to make a transition to a treatment that is more likely to work than other forms of attachment therapy. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna, but I would also like to believe that leopards, under different circumstances, might be able to change their spots, or at least their personalities. I do understand that the staff are not life-long dog trainers. Neither am I, but it's a skill that I've learned (and continue to learn), and I think it's a change for the positive.

Another serious question I have: What recommendations would you make to a parent of a teenager with attachment problems? One who the public school has been unable to help and whose mother can't control him. Is there anyplace where such a teenager can be taken for help that has the approval of the members here?
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #103 on: June 22, 2009, 03:27:44 AM »
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It sounds like you were not fit to handle a problem that could have been taken care of years ago by being proactive.

That's very possibly true. But I didn't know she had ADD until she started high school. She was a very charming child who was able to get through grammar school and junior high on charisma alone. My rule was that there was no TV allowed during the week, but if homework was done after school, she could watch until 6:00. It was a reward, as opposed to the removal of a privilege. I would come home from work and she would be watching TV. I would say, "Oh good, you've finished your homework!" and she would say "uhhhhh. No, I forgot." She lived in the moment. I thought it was a behavior problem and it took awhile before I found out she had ADD (and so do I).

So you're right. If I had been more proactive, maybe I would have been fit to handle her problem. I wish I had, because it ripped my heart out to send her away to school. Since her sister was leaving for college, I was looking forward to having just her for awhile, since she'd never really had me all to herself.

I would like to suggest that you'll have more productive interactions if you try not to be so insulting.
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Re: A CALO response by Ken Huey
« Reply #104 on: June 22, 2009, 03:37:29 AM »
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I'm not going to quote the long post with all the links. Just too much scrolling required. But the questions I asked were not answered. The links had nothing to do with CALO. I asked for links that would show that torture exists at CALO. You gave me a lot of links concerning kidnapping, psychological damage, blahblahblah, but oddly, there was no mention of any of this occurring at CALO.

Again I ask: How did your beef with CALO originate? Why are you so stridently determined to attack the school and, ironically, its STUDENTS you claim to be so concerned about. You say I should educate myself about these abductions. Isn't that what I'm trying to do? I am sincerely trying to find out what happens, if students are woken in the night and dragged out of their homes with hoods over their head and shackles on their arms and legs, and transported to CALO. You claim they are abducted, but when asked, you refuse to back that up. So please educate me.

Have you visited this school? Have you seen reliable reports that the students are being held prisoner, which is, as you said "EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING" (by the way, if you use Firefox, you'll have a built-in spell checker, which may give you more credibility as to your own education).

Please show me where I said the school is "fantatic," or even "fantastic." I said I like the idea of the students bonding with dogs. Aside from that, I know nothing about the school. In fact, I think you probably know less than I do, since you can't answer any questions about it. You seemed to have jumped on a bandwagon without knowing where it's going.

I know, when you cannot think soundly enough to respond substantively, you gotta focus on the typos.

Poor, sad, creature... if you weren't  such a moron you would have noticed I ANSWERED your question. To restate myself:
 our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner.

That is a SERIOUS issue, and quite enough to generate “beef.”  Dontcha think? Or perhaps I should kidnap and imprison you a couple years to give you some free insight into the issue.

It continues beyond that, of course, but to save myself a lot of linking and explaining things to an idiot that answer is more than sufficient

Curious, since you have no “dog in this fight” how did you come to this corner of the interweb, a forum for survivors of the “troubled teen” abduction, imprisonment, and torture industry, and the folk who earn their keep in that peculiar institution. Feel free to be creative with your unlikely story.

Well, I think there IS a moron in this conversation, but it's not me. You certainly did NOT answer my question. Your "answer": "our "beef" with Change Academy STARTS with the FACT it abducts and holds people prisoner." I asked for links that would show evidence and reliable research connecting CALO with this. It's not a FACT unless you can back it up. It's not a FACT just because you say it's a fact. I could tell you that it's a FACT that the moon is made of green cheese. According to your logic, that would make it true. Who's the moron?

I came to this "corner of the interweb" because I heard that someone was posting personal information about teenagers in a private school, including some of their treatment reports. I wanted to see for myself what kind of person would do such a thing, hurting a child he claims to be trying to protect. Or are those kids just collateral damage in your personal little war that's based on "FACTS" that you can't back up?

Again, how many interviews have been done with CALO students, past or present? Do you have photographs of staff using this bent wrist maneuver, whatever the hell that is? And I ask again, just how are these students "abducted"? I remember a kid who was going to his first day of kindergarten. His mother took him to the school and left him there, and he screamed bloody murder for the three hours until the half-day was over. It seems, if I were to follow your specious logic, that that kindergartner was abducted by an unfeeling parent, and held hostage by a kindergarten teacher.

My younger daughter went to a boarding school because she was doing badly in our local public school which wouldn't acknowledge that she had problems focusing. She and I went together and looked at two boarding schools. One was very preppy and all the kids were wearing clothes that I could tell had designer labels inside. Not the place for my daughter. We went to visit the second school, and it was completely different. My daughter would receive much more individualized education, and would learn responsibility because it was a working farm and all the kids had jobs that rotated. It was very artsy. Everyone had barn duty at some point, which meant getting up at 5 a.m. and milking the cows. Now when I took my daughter up there, she was not happy. She wanted to be back at her old school with her friends. She called me daily for awhile, wanting to come home. So, according to you, I "abducted" her although she actually put herself into the car, I took her to a place where she didn't want to be -- because I knew better than she did that she would be better off there, and I allowed her to be held hostage by some cows. Well, it didn't take long before she loved the school, and has never regretted going there. But the FACT apparently is that she was abducted and held hostage.

Please tell me how you know this "FACT" that students at CALO are abducted and held hostage. Links, please, to reliable sources with irrefutable evidence. Thank you.



Really, you "heard" about this? Anyone else here receive updates about the goings on at every obscure website somewhat tangentially related to one of your personal experiences?

 Sorry, I'm calling bullshit. But your story was indeed creative, as I requested.

As a probable sock puppet and liar, your make believe confusion about what we mean by abduction and imprisonment is TIRESOME

However, on the off chance some  semi-human being reads this thread who simply has NO IDEA that the sort of evil referred to in this thread transpires, or you are a member of a telekinetically connected to the heartbeat of the internet social site, here is what we mean by abduction and imprisonment:

http://www.nospank.net/labi.htm

There are a 1000 other papers, sites, court cases that would provide more collaboration, but this will do, unless “houseguest” wants to imply this is not FACT, as well.

I don't know if you're just stupid or if you have reading comprehension problems. For the last time, I was asking you what those FACTS have to do with CALO. In other words, what evidence do you have that CALO kidnaps and tortures? Please don't bother to repeat the same thing to me over and over, because Ursus has kindly answered the question I was asking.

And I DID just hear about the names and treatment reports being posted here. What, do you think you're hidden away in a tiny corner of the internet where no one will ever find you? I run across all kinds of obscure things on the internet. I own two message boards where people post links, and links lead to other links, and still others. Once I click on a link, I can get lost for an hour or more, going from link to link. ADD again.
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