A CALO response by Ken Huey

[Anonymous]

The difference between Michael Crawford v. Insane Cults: please supply a link to explain what on earth you are talking about and how it relates to Jean Filer's lonely dirty-bedpan death.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?opti ... ew&id=5116

Simply put, this relates to what you call "jean filer's bedpan death," in that people can be legally forced to pay damages for "lies"  and untruths, but will not be forced to pay damages for the truth. Therefore, when programs try to sue US for telling the truth, however ugly, they tend to loose.

This also means, if Femanon wanted to sue you for what you said about Ms. Filer, she could and she would win. You would be forced to pay damages and the post would be removed, by order of law.

(note to femanon: please, please sue)

:roflmao:
BTW I am only repeating what I heard...haven't you heard of freedom of speech?

[Anonymous]

The difference between Michael Crawford v. Insane Cults: please supply a link to explain what on earth you are talking about and how it relates to Jean Filer's lonely dirty-bedpan death.

Femenon, seriously subpoena this guy's (thewho’s) IP.

You guys are Hilarious Hypocrites!! :bs:

[houseguest]

The difference between Michael Crawford v. Insane Cults: please supply a link to explain what on earth you are talking about and how it relates to Jean Filer's lonely dirty-bedpan death.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?opti ... ew&id=5116

Simply put, this relates to what you call "jean filer's bedpan death," in that people can be legally forced to pay damages for "lies"  and untruths, but will not be forced to pay damages for the truth. Therefore, when programs try to sue US for telling the truth, however ugly, they tend to loose.

This also means, if Femanon wanted to sue you for what you said about Ms. Filer, she could and she would win. You would be forced to pay damages and the post would be removed, by order of law.

(note to femanon: please, please sue)

Yes, Vermin, please, please try to sue. If you find an attorney to represent you, you will have to pay a big retainer because nobody would take on a frivolous contingency case like this. Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about. And if it gets into a court, the judge will laugh you out of there and maybe even hold you in contempt for wasting the court's time.

So good luck with that. Using your own word, I think Vermin would "loose."

[Anonymous]

The difference between Michael Crawford v. Insane Cults: please supply a link to explain what on earth you are talking about and how it relates to Jean Filer's lonely dirty-bedpan death.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?opti ... ew&id=5116

Simply put, this relates to what you call "jean filer's bedpan death," in that people can be legally forced to pay damages for "lies"  and untruths, but will not be forced to pay damages for the truth. Therefore, when programs try to sue US for telling the truth, however ugly, they tend to loose.

This also means, if Femanon wanted to sue you for what you said about Ms. Filer, she could and she would win. You would be forced to pay damages and the post would be removed, by order of law.

(note to femanon: please, please sue)

Yes, Vermin, please, please try to sue. If you find an attorney to represent you, you will have to pay a big retainer because nobody would take on a frivolous contingency case like this. Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about. And if it gets into a court, the judge will laugh you out of there and maybe even hold you in contempt for wasting the court's time.

So good luck with that. Using your own word, I think Vermin would "loose."

3 posts in 10 minutes. They're really freakin out. Pretty funny.

[Ursus]

This also means, if Femanon wanted to sue you for what you said about Ms. Filer, she could and she would win. You would be forced to pay damages and the post would be removed, by order of law.

To be fair, it is unlikely that damages would be considered significant. Most likely, little if anything could be gained more than possibly having that post removed.

But... Is this the kind of "freedom of speech" you are advocating for?

Moreover, from an outside perspective, a post like that reflects far more badly on the poster than it does on Femanon.

Also, FWIW, cheap shots regarding bedpans and calling people Vermin just aren't Whooter's style. At least they haven't been for as long as I've been on fornits. He certainly resorts to other kinds of cheap shots, as well as distraction and obfuscation; perhaps he's changed his tune.

[Ursus]

3 posts in 10 minutes. They're really freakin out. Pretty funny.

Quite possibly all the same person really freaking out.  :seg:

[houseguest]

3 posts in 10 minutes. They're really freakin out. Pretty funny.

"They?" I don't know about anyone else, but I'm a pretty speedy typist. I don't freak out easily. I did freak out once when a mosquito was buzzing around my ear while I was trying to sleep. I grabbed a tissue box and slammed it repeatedly against the ceiling until I squashed the bastard. After that I noticed my dogs would cower whenever I grabbed a tissue to blow my nose. But this? This is child's play. I've never seen such a pack of loons (IMO) in one place in my life.

Oh, and I hear it makes a difference when y'all have dial-up. You might want to upgrade.

[Anonymous]

Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about.

So, are you saying that CALO does not hold people prisoner, does not "accept" "students" through "escort" (abduction)?

Please state yes or no.

Stating "no" would provide an answer that appears to counter CALO's own documentation. If you can provide reasonable evidence that CALO does not involve itself in abduction and imprisonment, I, personally, and most others will no longer assert it that it does.

thanks

[Anonymous]

Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about.

So, are you saying that CALO does not hold people prisoner, does not "accept" "students" through "escort" (abduction)?

Please state yes or no.

Stating "no" would provide an answer that appears to counter CALO's own documentation. If you can provide reasonable evidence that CALO does not involve itself in abduction and imprisonment, I, personally, and most others will no longer assert it that it does.

thanks

Ahhh, no response...

[FemanonFatal2.0]

So YOU say...rumor has it that she died alone, with a dirty bedpan under her (At least that's what I heard!)

Well you have certainly proven my point that it is only the pro-programmies that are prone to "objectifying" people.

Were not the ones you should be worried about when people like this you are in charge of these children's welfare.

Furthermore, disgracing my grandmothers death only reflects badly upon you, I honor her, as we honor the children who need our assistance, and you take the opportunity to objectify them.

I'm having a hard time imagining any sort of grown man would even say things like this... you can't seriously be mentally stable. I feel sorry for you that this is the kind of thing you have resorted to in order to get attention, or some sick pleasure, but I can only assume its a result of a lifetime of misery.

SO for that, I must concede, I will no longer participate in a conversation that further disrespects my family and I ask that other posters refrain from giving this guy the attention he needs to get his rocks off as well. He is only using this disgraceful strategy to revert our attention from the topic at hand... which as I have heard is quite the intention of the whooter, only seems he might be feeling a bit more desperate than usual, hence the stoop to an all time low.

Sad. It really is sad. I guess there just are some really demented people out there.

[Anonymous]

So YOU say...rumor has it that she died alone, with a dirty bedpan under her (At least that's what I heard!)

Well you have certainly proven my point that it is only the pro-programmies that are prone to "objectifying" people.

Were not the ones you should be worried about when people like this you are in charge of these children's welfare.

Furthermore, disgracing my grandmothers death only reflects badly upon you, I honor her, as we honor the children who need our assistance, and you take the opportunity to objectify them.

I'm having a hard time imagining any sort of grown man would even say things like this... you can't seriously be mentally stable. I feel sorry for you that this is the kind of thing you have resorted to in order to get attention, or some sick pleasure, but I can only assume its a result of a lifetime of misery.

SO for that, I must concede, I will no longer participate in a conversation that further disrespects my family and I ask that other posters refrain from giving this guy the attention he needs to get his rocks off as well. He is only using this disgraceful strategy to revert our attention from the topic at hand... which as I have heard is quite the intention of the whooter, only seems he might be feeling a bit more desperate than usual, hence the stoop to an all time low.

Sad. It really is sad. I guess there just are some really demented people out there.

Femanon, sue thewho. Get his identity or the child-abuse proponant's identity. Make us smile.

[houseguest]

Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about.

So, are you saying that CALO does not hold people prisoner, does not "accept" "students" through "escort" (abduction)?

Please state yes or no.

Stating "no" would provide an answer that appears to counter CALO's own documentation. If you can provide reasonable evidence that CALO does not involve itself in abduction and imprisonment, I, personally, and most others will no longer assert it that it does.

thanks

Quite frankly, I have no idea.I've just been trying to figure out how you came to have a beef with this particular school. I don't know much about it, but I very much like the concept of interaction between the students and the dogs. All of these kids have attachment problems, from what I understand. And giving them the responsibilities and care of dogs, who love unconditionally, seems to be a good idea. Children who were adopted after the first year or so, and were adopted from an institutional setting, do tend to have problems that children adopted as newborns don't have.

If you could give me some solid links (not blogs or peoples' websites, but actual news reports and published research) I very much would like to read more about this "torture" you claim is going on there. How many CALO graduates have you interviewed? What questions were asked? Have you looked at their behavioral history prior to their attendance at CALO (regardless of how they got there)? Do you doubt that parents have explored every possible option before taking the big (and expensive) step of sending a child to a residential therapeutic setting?

Please explain to me just how CALO got between your crosshairs, what research you've done to back up your claims, and why you feel it necessary to put children's treatment reports online where the world can see them. That can potentially do more damage than you claim the school is doing. I don't have a dog in this fight, but from what I see here, it's hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that this is a crazy bunch of domestic terrorists.

[Anonymous]

This also means, if Femanon wanted to sue you for what you said about Ms. Filer, she could and she would win. You would be forced to pay damages and the post would be removed, by order of law.

To be fair, it is unlikely that damages would be considered significant. Most likely, little if anything could be gained more than possibly having that post removed.

But... Is this the kind of "freedom of speech" you are advocating for?

Moreover, from an outside perspective, a post like that reflects far more badly on the poster than it does on Femanon.

Also, FWIW, cheap shots regarding bedpans and calling people Vermin just aren't Whooter's style. At least they haven't been for as long as I've been on fornits. He certainly resorts to other kinds of cheap shots, as well as distraction and obfuscation; perhaps he's changed his tune.

Everything you say makes a lot of sense. I am only responding to this poster’s BS that you can say ANYTHING on the internet without fear of reprisal.  People are sued daily, hourly for libel and many suits are successful. However, first and foremost, if someone is telling the TRUTH the suits will fail.

The "there's nothing you can do about libel" canard is the new LIE programs hide behind as a way to explain their inaction regarding the TRUTH printed on sites throughout  the internet about their gulags.

[Anonymous]

"Everything you say makes a lot of sense. I am only responding to this poster’s BS that you can say ANYTHING on the internet without fear of reprisal. People are sued daily, hourly for libel and many suits are successful. However, first and foremost, if someone is telling the TRUTH the suits will fail.

The "there's nothing you can do about libel" canard is the new LIE programs hide behind as a way to explain their inaction regarding the TRUTH printed on sites throughout the internet about their gulags."

Well, I guess we all see the point, don't we? I can make up or repeat rumours that then carry on a life of their own...F. can get upset about casting aspersions against her family, yet thinks it is OK to denigrate strangers and for that matter institutions of which she has no first-hand knowledge.

Unbelievably ironic that a hub-hub has arisen about lawsuits against me for far-fetched claims about Fermanon's family - here on this site where she and others make the most outrageous and ugly claims against "program" parents and others.

Sorry, honey dears, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander, so get over yourselves and maybe you will learn the lesson I intended!

[Anonymous]

Since Guest said "at least that's what I heard," he was not stating a fact. Just repeating a rumor, which seems to be right in line with what all your posts are about.

So, are you saying that CALO does not hold people prisoner, does not "accept" "students" through "escort" (abduction)?

Please state yes or no.

Stating "no" would provide an answer that appears to counter CALO's own documentation. If you can provide reasonable evidence that CALO does not involve itself in abduction and imprisonment, I, personally, and most others will no longer assert it that it does.

thanks

Quite frankly, I have no idea.

Well, you should educate yourself, then. I hope you have the intelligence and compassion necessary to understand once an organization begins abducting and holding human beings prisoner, it ceases to be a "school," it becomes a for-profit, extra-judical gulag.

I've just been trying to figure out how you came to have a beef with this particular school.  

Using those same, seemingly yet to kick-in, thought processes YOU figure out why we “have a problem” with a “school” that abducts and holds American citizens prisoner without due process.

Being kidnapped and imprisoned is a violation of one’s BASIC human rights. It is extraordinarily mentally damaging as well, as is OBVIOUS.

http://www.newssafety.org/index.php?opt ... mid=100508

http://www.cbm.org/en/general/CBM_EV_EN ... 36535.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=JV7u70 ... t&resnum=4

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:naS ... clnk&gl=us

http://www.alertnet.org/db/blogs/29542/ ... fc1e9a.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=Dp2gi8 ... t&resnum=7

http://books.google.com/books?id=3_wTck ... &resnum=10

And being kidnapped by a plot put in place by your own parents under the premise you are “bad” or “mentally ill” in the context of the tacit support supposedly democratic, civil rights respecting country makes it much worse.

Being held prisoner is also EXTRADINARILY DAMANGING

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Qoj ... clnk&gl=us

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:EUf ... clnk&gl=us

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:-9a ... clnk&gl=us

I could google up a 1000 more of these links, but you get the idea.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but from what I see here, it's hard to avoid coming to the conclusion that this is a crazy bunch of domestic terrorists.

You have no “dog in this fight,” just came across this site randomly and decided to start off by stating how CALO  is fantatic. Somehow I doubt it. My guess is you are TheWho.