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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2009, 05:13:32 PM »
Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"

Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
•   Cooperation
•   Decision making
•   Self confidence
•   Positive Risk Taking
•   Cohesion
•   Trust
•   Self esteem
•   Leadership
•   Goal setting
•   Teamwork
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2009, 05:27:11 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"

Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
•   Cooperation
•   Decision making
•   Self confidence
•   Positive Risk Taking
•   Cohesion
•   Trust
•   Self esteem
•   Leadership
•   Goal setting
•   Teamwork

The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image.  Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1.  I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about.  Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents.  The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements.  
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2009, 05:31:28 PM »
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Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.

So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
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Quote from: "Guest"
Did some reading up on ropes courses and here is what I found"

Purpose
Ropes course programs can be designed to meet a number of educational, developmental, and recreational goals. High ropes course and climbing programs generally focus on personal achievements and ask participants to confront their personal fears and anxieties. Challenges may be physical and/or emotional. In certain cases, high element programs involve the development and mastery of technical skills to manage rope belay systems used to secure other climbers as they move through the course. In such cases, outcomes often include exploring the fundamentals of trust, craftsmanship, and coaching. Programs using low ropes course elements or group initiatives are most often designed to explore group interaction, problem-solving, and leadership. Some of the commonly claimed outcomes include enhancement of:
•   Cooperation
•   Decision making
•   Self confidence
•   Positive Risk Taking
•   Cohesion
•   Trust
•   Self esteem
•   Leadership
•   Goal setting
•   Teamwork

The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image.  Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1.  I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about.  Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents.  The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements.  

Plus rope courses are fun, kinda like rock climbing
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2009, 05:34:30 PM »
"The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements. "

Huh? Did we miss something? Of course there is supervision; in the picture there is a staff person and certainly there is one on the ground, too.
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2009, 05:42:00 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest"

Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
You pithy filthy petty little prick.

So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2009, 05:48:53 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
"The above response represents desperate measures taken by CALO staff to boost their image. Your points are mute considering there is no staff supervision in the pictures posted on page 1. I worked in a wilderness facility and understand what safety is about. Staff should be within arms length of students at all time to prevent accidents. The aforesaid is applicable to low ropes course and high ropes course elements. "

Huh? Did we miss something? Of course there is supervision; in the picture there is a staff person and certainly there is one on the ground, too.

Yes, you did miss something.  You are not in sync with the fundamentals of supervision and safety.  I suggest you, in addition to other CALO staff, take a refresher course on supervision.
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Re: CALO Ropes Course
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2009, 05:51:59 PM »
Here is what the CALO website actually says; emphasis as per the original:

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Recreation Therapy

The Therapeutic Recreation program at CALO utilizes metaphors along with its varied natural landscape to provide recreational opportunities that are exciting, adventurous, and therapeutic.

    All of our activities are strategically designed to reveal and address the therapeutic needs of our students in ways that encourage relationship and act as a catalyst for change.[/list]

    CALO's Therapeutic Recreation Program is a synchronized cycle of sequences that build upon each other and teach students the importance of creating and maintaining healthy relationships. The five areas of emphasis are: Setting and Achieving Goals, Teamwork, Communication, Trust and Service. Each of these necessary character traits is emphasized for a period of six to eight weeks throughout the year. During this time students gain knowledge experientially as they explore these character traits from three very different perspectives: a Ropes Course perspective, a Creative Arts perspective, and an Adventure perspective.

    Ropes Course Perspective


    "overcoming fears on the ropes"

    Weekly Ropes Course activities provide exciting opportunities for students to explore the fundamental principals of important concepts such as Teamwork and Trust. Through a series of initiative games, low ropes course activities, and high ropes course challenges, students learn how to build relationships of trust with their community while having fun and taking risks together. Through the use of metaphors and predetermined challenges, certified Ropes Course facilitators assist students in exploring their own personal fears and limitations, while learning to build and maintain trust and achieve success together.

    Creative Arts Perspective

    A highly integrated Creative Arts program addresses the needs and expectations of the creative thinker in ways that traditional talk therapy can not. Weekly Creative Arts activities provide an outlet for students to share emotions and explore relationships through creative mediums such as drawings, paintings, buildings, ceramics, leatherwork and music. Through this creative process ideas and emotions are shared, masterpieces are created, and healthy self expression is encouraged. As students learn to harness their artistic abilities in a safe setting, the principles of humility and vulnerability create opportunities for relationships to thrive.

    Adventure Perspective


    "having fun on the water"

    With each of the five character traits taught there is an assigned adventure activity. These adventure activities are specifically chosen to provide opportunities for conversations and processing moments with our students. For six to eight weeks we focus on different adventures such as rock climbing, canoeing, fly fishing, wake boarding, and an exciting triathlon preparation. As students grow in their knowledge and experience of these different activities they are encouraged to find their own limitations and then break them.

      During this process relationships are strengthened, personal confidence is increased and students acquire new hobbies and abilities that bless their lives long after they leave the program.[/list]


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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #22 on: June 19, 2009, 06:04:26 PM »
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      I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process.  Where are the staff in the pictures?  These activites should be supervised by competent people.

      FYI the man in the pic is staff

      Actually.... the young man in the pic looks like KURT ZAHN. He's kind of a big kid. But then, you would know that, wouldn't you?

      I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?

      I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #23 on: June 19, 2009, 06:08:37 PM »
      Quote from: "Disguested"
      Quote from: "Guest"
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      Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
      Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
      You pithy filthy petty little prick.

      So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
      A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
      Hey Fuckface,
      I'm not the one who posted the link to a soft-porn foto on this thread! So save it, asshole.
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #24 on: June 19, 2009, 06:29:50 PM »
      Quote from: "Can Hooey"
      I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?

      Its against the law for kids to to be asked this.  They are too young to decide to have their pictures or personal information made public.  The parents make all the choices for the kids in or out of programs.  Google "facebook" or "myspace" there are some good discussions on this topic.

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      I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
      Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site.  This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #25 on: June 19, 2009, 06:58:57 PM »
      Quote from: "Guest"
      Quote from: "Disguested"
      Quote from: "Guest"
      Quote from: "Disguested"
      Quote from: "Guest"

      Question: Are people allowed to post porn - kiddy or other, illegal or legal - here? If so, why? If not, why not?
      Your base little bating question neither merits nor inspires a respectful reply.
      You pithy filthy petty little prick.

      So that means the answer is...what? Just trying to understand the guiding principles here.
      A person capable of toying at that topic would have some confusion about guiding principles…Clearly, you have a lack of them within.
      Hey Fuckface,
      I'm not the one who posted the link to a soft-porn foto on this thread! So save it, asshole.
      Liar. You did so with the intention of setting up your posting that very jackass inquiry. You muckraking liar. Just because Ywohu0 don’t see how obvious you are doesn’t mean others can’t spot it.
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #26 on: June 19, 2009, 07:03:21 PM »
      Quote from: "Can Hooey"
      Quote from: "Guest"
      Quote from: "bobpeterson1973"


      I pray for children who rely on CALO staff (abusers) to guide them through the above process.  Where are the staff in the pictures?  These activites should be supervised by competent people.

      FYI the man in the pic is staff

      Actually.... the young man in the pic looks like KURT ZAHN. He's kind of a big kid. But then, you would know that, wouldn't you?

      I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?

      I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...

      I guess the kid's privacy doesn't matter when it benefits CATO, for -profit, brainwashing and torture gulag!
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #27 on: June 19, 2009, 07:09:48 PM »
      Quote from: "MoJo"
      Quote from: "Can Hooey"
      I have to wonder about CALO's sense of entitlement to all aspects of their client's lives. Did these kids get any say-so about having their fears depicted thusly on your website?
      Its against the law for kids to to be asked this.  They are too young to decide to have their pictures or personal information made public.  The parents make all the choices for the kids in or out of programs.  Google "facebook" or "myspace" there are some good discussions on this topic.

      Quote from: "Can Hooey"
      I guess only the parents' say-so really matters here...
      Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site.  This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.
      Let me get this straight. I'm new at this. So "the okay" for these kids' photos on CALO's website are ultimately in the hands of their parents? Did these parents all have to sign some consent form for this?

      Is there a tuition discount involved, when your kid's pic is used for this kind of marketing or advertising?

      Are parents aware that their kids may be displayed thusly -- blindfolded and helpless, high off the ground, legs splayed for balance, with lots of ropes attached which are controlled by staff (I assume), who mete out punishment or reward based on perceived cooperation or lack thereof?

      These kinds of rope courses are used a lot as team building exercises during business retreats. I suppose you could call them LGAT-lites. But I don't see any photos of grown men displayed like this in the brochures or websites of the companies that host these things. I wonder why? I guess grown men don't like to see themselves depicted like this, and they are in a position to refuse.
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #28 on: June 19, 2009, 07:20:28 PM »
      Quote from: "MoJo"
      Exactly, the parents decide if they would sign a waiver to have their child part of the web site.  This doesn’t just apply to programs, if you have a child in public school you have seen this standard waiver to have your child photographed, placed in the year book, or used for school ads etc.

      So, then, if the abusive "parents'" of CALO gave permission for their kids' names to be posted here, it would become OK, and no longer "traumatizing"?

      Therein, lies the absurdity and horror of the for-profit gulag system and the "parents" and Politian’s that prop it up for gratification, emotional or financial

      At any rate, thank you for admitting CALOs concern about these kids names being printed has NOTHING to do with the young peoples' needs or desires.
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      Re: CALO Ropes Course
      « Reply #29 on: June 19, 2009, 07:35:03 PM »
      Quote from: "Can Hooey"
      Let me get this straight. I'm new at this. So "the okay" for these kids' photos on CALO's website are ultimately in the hands of their parents? Did these parents all have to sign some consent form for this?
      Yes they did .  The form is the same as you would see in any local school system.  You see kids depicted on the cover of year books, playing sports etc.

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      Is there a tuition discount involved, when your kid's pic is used for this kind of marketing or advertising?

      No there isn’t.  Most private schools as well as public just ask if the photos can be used and obtain sign off.

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      Are parents aware that their kids may be displayed thusly -- blindfolded and helpless, high off the ground, legs splayed for balance, with lots of ropes attached which are controlled by staff (I assume), who mete out punishment or reward based on perceived cooperation or lack thereof?

      They are aware of the photos used.  We had a local school who used kids in a mock auto accident.  Blood was applied to their bodies and they were photographed.  The parents needed to sign off on this also.

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      These kinds of rope courses are used a lot as team building exercises during business retreats. I suppose you could call them LGAT-lites. But I don't see any photos of grown men displayed like this in the brochures or websites of the companies that host these things. I wonder why? I guess grown men don't like to see themselves depicted like this, and they are in a position to refuse.

      You just need to look around... here is an example:

      http://http://www.upwardenterprises.com/prog_ropes.html
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