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[TheWho]

Keep Looking Bruce lol... classic

[Anonymous]

Still jogging?

[Anonymous]

You can come up with all the "facts" that you'd like, or attempt to discredit every HLA former student, parent or staff that speaks out against it. But please. Please tell me how a 15 year old girl sitting in a room with 17 strangers, in a state she's never been to, away from her parents for the first time in her life could possibly feel safe enough to recount intimate details of a rape, and have it be constructive in any way possible. They ask her was it dark out, was it light out. What color was the car she was in the back of. What words did he say to her while he was on top of her. Did he use a condom? Did it make her feel dirty? Did he use a chain or a rope to tie her leg to the front seat? As fucking uncomfortable as it is to read through those questions, imagine sitting in that fucking room having to answer them! And when I hesitated at all I was threatened with punishment and degraded as not wanting to "cooperate" with my "treatment". Please, Who. I am begging you. TELL ME HOW THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE WORTH DEFENDING. I am calling you out. I have never addressed you directly but you'd better step up and show your true colors here.
I have NOTHING to gain from speaking out against HLA. I live my life now, happily devoid of anything having to do with Hidden Lake. I chose not to be involved in the lawsuit. I never spent a penny that I'd want to recapture from that place. My ONLY reason for posting any of this is to get the truth about that place out. To save some other scared shitless little girl from ever having to endure all that I did while I was there.
What is it that YOU have to gain from defending a place like this?

So Lacey, I think it is awful that that had to happen to you.  I do not condone that treatment.  I dont think all schools would do the same thing and I actually know they would not.  I dont condone harassment. I do believethat if the rape occured post program you would be in a stronger position to deal with it then you were before hand.  
But you cannot honestly believe that spreading or allowing the spread of misinformation is going to have any long term lasting effect against these places.  They need to be exposed for what they are and back it all up with facts and data.  If you try to fool people with lies then the whole site loses its credibility.

So let me get this straight. You think that if I were to get pulled into a back alleyway tomorrow walking home from work, and were raped, that the "harrassment" (YOUR WORDS) I endured at Hidden Lake would better prepare me to "deal with it". If by your own admission HLA "harrasses" rape victims, then what tools could I have possibly learned from these well equipped "professionals" to handle such an ordeal?
What qualifications do you hold in the treatment of rape victims to make these kinds of statements? What personal experience do you have with the effect of rape on a young person to say that anything I ENDURED (not benefited from) at Hidden Lake Academy would prepare me for my hypothetical future rape?

You're absolutely right. The biggest consistency I see in the forum is the misrepresentation of FACT. However this is not from people like me, or Bruce, or DJ, or any of the other people that you have attempted to rip apart in a desperate and delusional attempt to discredit them and every word they utter. It’s from you, and those with the same motives.

The reason I believe you don’t see this is because you were in 9 programs and your judgment is clouded and you cannot be objective or fair.  If someone states they were abused at HLA you take it face value.  If someone says they had a daughter who was helped by a program then they must be an imaginary daughter because this is not something you can comprehend.  If you look a little closer at it I am the one who is BETTER able to look at both sides of the industry and see the good as well as the bad where you are not capable of a fair view.  You have been damaged by the industry and therefore cannot be objective.

Lacy got a program pimp to finally admit that this industry is damaging. Sure, this was in an attempt to side step the points posed in her post, but it’s astounding none the less.

If you would like to point out the sidesteps I would be happy to respond.

That end might be better served by you actually answering the questions posed to you by Lacey...instead of dismissing her perspective.

Well okay lets take a look at her post again.

Then Lacy asks: Why are you here?
I'll answer this one:  To add balance and to try to help expose the truth... there it is.  People have a hard time seeing this but I  manage to accomplish this here more often than you would like to believe.

Otherwise programs would have to rely on Public Relations Firms for this “Balance.”
“Balance” includes discounting the value of firsthand accounts?

Exactly,like when Lacey discounted my imaginary daughter’s experiences I think this goes against what I am trying to do.  It is important to listen to all points of view, positive and negative.  In order to be balanced you need to keep an open mind.  If I stated that Laceys experiences were all in her mind I think that would be counterproductive to extending any further conversation between the two of us and the quality of our interaction would deteriorate rather quickly I would guess.
 

[along comes mary]

Lacey,

I just have to let you know how endlessly sorry I am that you had to go through all of that... I have only a small insight as to how that must have impacted you.

I was in one of those rooms. I was one of those strangers that a peergroup member was coerced into recounting such trauma to.

I often wish I knew then what I know now... I wish I'd been more aggressive in questioning the counselors' methods and intentions... and I wonder if I could have helped the girls not let those reals sessions steal their right to anger, privacy, respect, and compassion.  

I have tremendous respect for your courage and candidness here. You are putting yourself out there to advocate for the girls who were in those rooms today and for the girls that, if anyone hears you, hopefully may never enter them.

Keep fighting the good fight, babe.
You're a rockstar.

[along comes mary]

If you had more compassionate staff and program model, Mary, I think you would have a better view of the industry.

But a compassionate program model wouldn't be one that referred bounty hunter 'escorts' to the family of the clueless soon-to-be-intake...

It wouldn't keep children from communicating with their parents...

It wouldn't condone violent methods of keeping order...

A truly compassionate program model would see that each client is an individual, and wouldn't fight tooth and nail to keep every child there, well-placed or not, as long as possible...

...and such a program would not be able to compete with the rest.


I'm sure these places considered compassion as a tool for best-service provision.... until a compassionate program model was recognized as a poor business model.  


Additionally, to your premise:

Did this industry sprout from compassionate philosophy?...

Was empowering at risk youth from wealthy families in isolated settings something that well-meaning therapists decided would fill that population's need for guidance?  

Or was hiding troublesome children for a small fortune an economic niche that some clever and greedy businessmen with psych backgrounds carved out and exploited?

I am curious... do you think this industry would exist at all if compassionate models were the norm?

Namaste

[TheWho]

But a compassionate program model wouldn't be one that referred bounty hunter 'escorts' to the family of the clueless soon-to-be-intake...

If there is a chance that the child would not go willingly or decide to run off then how else would the parents bring the child to the program?  Escorts serve a purpose.  Many schools do not utilize them or except children who will not come on their own accord but I can see their need for some families.

It wouldn't keep children from communicating with their parents...

Most programs that I am aware allow the kids to speak to their parents.  Are they allowed to walk around 24/7 with a cell phone?  no

It wouldn't condone violent methods of keeping order...

No a compassionate school would not tolerate violence.

A truly compassionate program model would see that each client is an individual, and wouldn't fight tooth and nail to keep every child there, well-placed or not, as long as possible...

I agree.  The program length should be well defined with goals for the child to reach so that they can graduate.

...and such a program would not be able to compete with the rest.

Competition is what this country is built on.  You think doctors are non competitive?  The Phd types are the most competitive people in our society.  

I'm sure these places considered compassion as a tool for best-service provision.... until a compassionate program model was recognized as a poor business model.

I understand you may see it this way from the perspective of someone who attended.  I am sure the kid who is sent to his room for the night or grounded for a week feels his parents dont understand them and have no compassion for their needs at all.

Did this industry sprout from compassionate philosophy?...

I believe we all know that it did

Was empowering at risk youth from wealthy families in isolated settings something that well-meaning therapists decided would fill that population's need for guidance?

Yes

Or was hiding troublesome children for a small fortune an economic niche that some clever and greedy businessmen with psych backgrounds carved out and exploited?

No, it wasnt

I am curious... do you think this industry would exist at all if compassionate models were the norm?

Compassion for these children is what inspires the various models.  It is what the industry exists for.  Just because they make money doesn’t mean they are evil.  Do your compassionate friends work for free?

[Troll Control]

^^Giant, steaming pile of horse shit^^  Someone badly needs a history lesson on forced "treatment" in private institutions.

HLA was built by CEDU people.  Remember CEDU?  The place that was shut down for systematic child abuse?  That's where HLA got its model.  Poor showing, Whootie.  Showing again you have no grip on the facts, don't understand psychology or children's needs.  No wonder your kids are so messed up (the live ones).

[TheWho]

^^Giant, steaming pile of horse shit^^  Someone badly needs a history lesson on forced "treatment" in private institutions.

HLA was built by CEDU people.  Remember CEDU?  The place that was shut down for systematic child abuse?  That's where HLA got its model.  Poor showing, Whootie.  Showing again you have no grip on the facts, don't understand psychology or children's needs.  No wonder your kids are so messed up (the live ones).

Oh, come on.  yeah, yeah and you can trace that back to the north koreans torure methods and the Nazis'... we have all heard that before.  Thats a bunch of crap.  If you trace anything back you can show it to be abusive.... we use to hang a guy from the nearest tree for stealing a horse a 100 years ago, now we put him in therapy and send him to college for free.  Your ancesors killed and murdered kids, yet you are still free to walk around.   Everything/everybody evolves, everything has a past.  But it is not necessarily a reflection on present or future events.

[RobertBruce]

What's evolved John? The more you speak the more you highlight your own ignorance.

The first headmaster at HLA was your old child abusing friend and, murderer, Rudy Bentz. Rudy coming from having worked in CEDU gulags for years. He was brought in to set up the exact same model and program that has now been deemed abusive.

So tell us, what about the theraputic model, or general policies have they of their own accord changed?

[RobertBruce]

If there is a chance that the child would not go willingly or decide to run off then how else would the parents bring the child to the program? Escorts serve a purpose. Many schools do not utilize them or except children who will not come on their own accord but I can see their need for some families.

So you advocate children being snatched out of their bed in the middle of the night, being detained without cause, being held against their will, being transported across state lines, all without due process. Interesting.

Most programs that I am aware allow the kids to speak to their parents. Are they allowed to walk around 24/7 with a cell phone? no

Trying to glaze over the facts again John? Is there a difference between monitered, censored communication that can be cut off at any time, and free lines of communication? Should the threat of cutting off communication ever be used as a punishment? Should a child ever be denied access to a phone when they've been abused? Shouldnt they have a right to call someone to report what's happened? Let me give you Buchi's answers to each of those questions.

1. Yes.

2. Yes.

3. Yes.

4. Hell no, I dont want those little bastards telling on me. Send the little fucker out in the woods for a month.

[RobertBruce]

No a compassionate school would not tolerate violence

Then why do you so ardently advocate for the ones who do?

I agree. The program length should be well defined with goals for the child to reach so that they can graduate.

Really? Because Buchi felt that each kid should be kept there for the duration of the program, regardless of whether or not the childs goals had been met. He even gave bonuses for keeping kids locked up longer. Guess where he got that idea.

I understand you may see it this way from the perspective of someone who attended. I am sure the kid who is sent to his room for the night or grounded for a week feels his parents dont understand them and have no compassion for their needs at all.

And we understand that you see it from the perspective of someone who refers kids to these programs for kick backs.

I believe we all know that it did

Did it now? Why don't you educate us all on the history behind this industry. Tell us all about the major players who really got the ball rolling.

Compassion for these children is what inspires the various models. It is what the industry exists for. Just because they make money doesn’t mean they are evil. Do your compassionate friends work for free?

Where is the compassion in child abuse John?

[TheWho]

I feel a little for Bruce.  No one is reading his posts and even posted it 3 times, no one responded.  He really lost that credibility by telling everyone he doesnt guest post and then running away from having his post tied together under one user name.  What do you think he is trying to hide?  I wonder if he is the one who has been disrupting the HLA forum to try to keep it at the top or did he post all that porn awhile ago?  Why not just get it done?  It wouldnt take any of his own time.
I bet he has more guest posts than thewho did.

[RobertBruce]

Oh no John, we're just waiting on you.

[Anonymous]

He's still  driving to Camp Wasega Road, parking, then jogging to HLA, in hopes there still  are parents driving by to attend work shops, so he can strut his stuff,  attend the work shops, confirming to himself, it was going to be all about him - the jogger.  He was a laughing stock amongst the staff, "an egotistical nut case".

[TheWho]

He's still  driving to Camp Wasega Road, parking, then jogging to HLA, in hopes there still  are parents driving by to attend work shops, so he can strut his stuff,  attend the work shops, confirming to himself, it was going to be all about him - the jogger.  He was a laughing stock amongst the staff, "an egotistical nut case".

Reuben has to be pretty old by now why would he be trying to strut his stuff?  I thought this guy lived in Massachusetts.