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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2009, 03:39:08 PM »
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A lot of AARC survivors are in hiding - people who have been raped, molested, assaulted, physically abused, psychologically tormented, etc... They aren't coming forward because they've been convinced that they deserved it. It was their (or their 'disease's') fault. Maybe ajax antagonizes them as you say, but maybe someone needs to incite some anger in them. It has a lot to do with intent. I have no doubt that ajax's intent is to help AARC survivors. I do, however, doubt that Vause's intent to 'help kids' is genuine when he has repeatedly shown that he will throw any AARC grad under the bus if they dare challenge or criticize his cult. Especially if they have valid claims of abuse and pose a threat to his operations. Vause's intent is to shut them up and protect himself. For that reason, I'd be willing to bet that ajax cares more about the kids sitting in AARC right now than Vause does.

This guy vause spends his life 24/7 caring about these kids.  If you put as much energy into helping someone as he does and then if one turns around and lies about you and events that occurred I think you would be a little hurt too.
 
Ajax, on the other hand, ridicules people he doesn’t even know (from the shadows), calls them liars and makes fun of how they look, their weight and where they went to school etc.  There is a big difference.  Vause is out there everyday, you can drive over and have a talk with him.  Ajax on the other hand is a coward.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2009, 03:42:30 PM »
Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2009, 04:52:24 PM »
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.

That doesn’t surprise me.  Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2009, 05:00:12 PM »
You seem to think that if you manage to discredit ajax, then that makes Vause a great man. What anyone thinks about ajax is completely irrelevant to the fact that Dean Vause is a coward.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2009, 05:08:40 PM »
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
That doesn’t surprise me.  Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.

ROFLMAO!!! I can see that YOU are advertising your identity loud and clear!

Btw, there is a BIG difference between victims of abuse being reticent about making their identities public, yet speaking out against the injustice of what was done to them ...and proponents of an organization, that proclaims itself to be transparent and aboveboard, sneaking around attempting to sabotage exposure of said misdeeds.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2009, 05:55:28 PM »
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You seem to think that if you manage to discredit ajax, then that makes Vause a great man. What anyone thinks about ajax is completely irrelevant to the fact that Dean Vause is a coward.

No that wasnt the logic used.

One person is approachable and stands behind what he believes, has a name and an address that makes him easily found.  So he is easily held accountable for what he says and does.  On the other hand Ajax hides in the shadows and attacks peoples weight conditions and the school that they attend as well as their degree of education and has no intention of being held accountable for what he says which doesnt give him any incentive to tell the truth when lies can be more effective.

There doesnt need to be a great deal of discussion on who the coward is.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2009, 07:23:57 PM »
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Funny that you used the word coward, because if I had to use one word to describe Vause it would be just that.
That doesn’t surprise me.  Then you probably feel a person who hides in the shadows and takes pot shots at people is acting very brave.

ROFLMAO!!! I can see that YOU are advertising your identity loud and clear!

Btw, there is a BIG difference between victims of abuse being reticent about making their identities public, yet speaking out against the injustice of what was done to them ...and proponents of an organization, that proclaims itself to be transparent and aboveboard, sneaking around attempting to sabotage exposure of said misdeeds.

Well sure but this guy Vause can never compete with a forum like fornits.  He is out in the open and is held accountable for everything he says and would face lawsuits if he openly lied.  The posters here on fornits can say whatever they like.  They could say they were abused and raped or subjected to mind control and they don’t have any fear of being held accountable for their claims.  On my next post I could make fantastic claims of being abused and no one would be the wiser and Vause would be made to defend himself and AARC against my report.
Guilty until proven innocent.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2009, 11:47:34 PM »
I'm sure you're one of those people who dismiss all of the allegations are "hearsay," right? You know, people generally tend to abuse kids in private settings. I know some of you think that the lack of eyewitnesses is awfully convenient for the psychotic liars who claim that they were abused at AARC. Although most of us can attest to the fact that we witnessed psychological, emotional and physical abuse, without witness testimonials, it is a challenge to prove some of the other allegations. Not impossible though, and with all of the facts that are coming to light, it really is just a matter of time. Look at how long Kids took to get shut down, and they had the kids flapping their arms for the camera crews.

Remember how they used to make us listen to a song before every rap? You could usually guess what the rap was going to be about and who was going to be targeted judging by the song they chose. I can't even tell you how sick I was of hearing "Never Surrender" by Corey Hart. Or once, when someone was fighting their Step 1 and not surrendering, they played Barry Manilow for an entire month so that we all hated that person until they finally gave in. Now, before you guys get all crazy and suggest that I think we were tortured with Barry Manilow's music, calm down. I'm sure that taunting your patients with music is a medically proven practice. I was just thinking today about how much I look forward to seeing the Wiz in the hot seat, having to confront his lies and the harm he's caused others. It might be a while before that happens, but for now Dean, here's your song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6M88plP2XU
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2009, 12:27:48 AM »
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You know, people generally tend to abuse kids in private settings.

this is true. people don't usually get raped in front of future witnesses
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2009, 03:28:59 AM »
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They perform "psychosocial intervention" oh my goodness!! This is a little less then your local AA group does in the basement of churches

Except AA is free, not to mention voluntary. Members are not forced to go home with and be looked after by other members.

In AA if you decide to leave you won't be chased down and dragged back.

In AA you are not "set back" or demoted to "Step one" unless you actually relapse, in AARC you can be set back for non-compliance that has nothing to do with drinking/drug use.

In AA you are not  going to lose contact with your family. You choose if you talk to your family or not. Not so in AARC.

In AA parents are not required to disassemble their homes, and create a host home, and house other clients, leaving themselves 100% liable as AARC is "nonresidential".

AARC interferes with and stunts a youth's natural development of themselves, damages their relationship with their family. Youth don't regularly attend school while in AARC, and are afraid of the world when they eventually graduate to the point that they cling to the AARC and relationships they've developed there.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2009, 08:35:03 PM »
Yes, there's a big difference between holding voluntary, free of charge meetings in the basements of churches, and incarcerating teens for years and filling their minds with complete bullshit. A.A. works for a minute percentage of adults, so claiming that it works for 85% of AARC's teen clientele is, again, complete bullshit.

"Dr. Whitfield agrees that AA's effectiveness can't be explained in scientific terms, or tested in controlled studies."
What that really means is, "A.A. doesn't work. It isn't effective at all. That's why it fails every real test. The reason that they can't explain how it works is because it doesn't work."

And the so-called "abundant anecdotal evidence that the 12 Steps do work", about which Thomas Anderson wrote, is completely worthless. That is just a few people telling cherry-picked stories. Just because some people are confused about cause and effect relationships, and have been fooled into thinking that the 12 steps did something for them, and then tell stories about those beliefs, does not prove that the 12 Steps actually worked and cured patients. For many centuries, quack doctors, snake oil salesmen, and fake faith healers have been making plenty of money by taking advantage of such confusion — constantly repeating grandiose anecdotal stories of allegedly wonderful successful cures that came from using snake oil and voodoo charms.

Those few people who actually do quit drinking while going to A.A. meetings are mostly just those people who were going to quit anyway — or who have already quit — because they got sick and tired of being sick and tired, and decided to save their own lives. They do the hard work of quitting, and then A.A. takes the credit for their work, and claims that it somehow made them quit.

Try SMART. That is, Self Management And Recovery Training. They use common sense and simple logic to quit and stay quit. For them, quitting definitely IS an option. I also hear good things about SOS, and WFS.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html
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