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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 09:36:56 AM »
Then there is 5 o’clock Charlie (Ajax13) who is so threatened by AARC’s success (because his girlfriend was one of the few who didn’t do well there) that she has tasked him with trying to discredit AARC and their employees. Most recent attempts to discredit AARC as a program have been pointing out the weight conditions of various employees.  Mocking employees who played hockey in college and anyone who attempted to further educate themselves above the highschool level (or any level above himself) is a target of his ridicule.  Ajax13’s latest Gaffe is trying to convince readers that everyone who resides in Canada (and was educated to a doctorate level in the United States) is required to go by the title Mister (not Doctor).
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 11:02:46 AM »
The central theme of this post is the fact that AARC has reversed it's efforts to sell itself as a facility providing the most current medical therapy to treat addiction, and are now trying to present themselves as a temperance fellowship like AA.  As they claim that addiction is a progressive, lifelong and fatal disease, which they treat with a self-described intensive program that goes on all day, every day for months and requires the client be removed from their home for months, it is rather facile to equate AARC with AA, in which membersip is voluntary and free.  AARC holds people against their will until they embrace the particular theology behind AARC, and costs $50 000 per year.  The fact that AARC staff is performing a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions Act is irrefutable.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 11:54:11 AM »
A much better post, Ajax13.  Well thought out and articulate.  Those “smear posts” just make you look like some kid who is pissed that they got an “F” on their last paper.  Welcome to the adult world of discussion.


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The fact that AARC staff is performing a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions Act is irrefutable.
Not sure I agree that it is irrefutable but it can be open for discussion.  There may be various ways to define the methods used within AARC’s program.  There are many people that feel their methods are harsh (but effective) and others who do not view this as restrictive activity at all.  The important thing is that AARC needs to stay within the boundaries of the methods they prescribe in their model and agreement under whatever license they are working to.  If therapy is needed then they need to employ a therapist for those specific duties or be overseen by a person who is qualified and licensed (outside agency).
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2009, 01:06:49 PM »
Kiddie-fucker, the AARC treatment centre has no license whatsoever.  The organization that operates it has a license to run a charity.  The organization's treatment centre, and it's staff, are entirely unlicensed.  The term Restricted Activity refers to a list of activities that can only legally be performed by licensed professionals in Alberta.  These activities are laid out very clearly in the Alberta Health Professions Act.  AARC has made it very clear in their statement of their role that their staff is performing psychosocial intervention, a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions act.  The list of Restricted Activities, and AARC's description of it's practises have been posted numerous times in this forum.  As the particular Restricted Activity to which I have referred, performing a psychosocial intervention with the accompanying provisions laid out in the act, describes exactly the day-to-day practises of the staff at AARC, it is indeed an irrefutable fact that the staff is breaking the law every day at AARC.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2009, 04:00:53 PM »
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Kiddie-fucker, the AARC treatment centre has no license whatsoever.  The organization that operates it has a license to run a charity.  The organization's treatment centre, and it's staff, are entirely unlicensed.  The term Restricted Activity refers to a list of activities that can only legally be performed by licensed professionals in Alberta.  These activities are laid out very clearly in the Alberta Health Professions Act.  AARC has made it very clear in their statement of their role that their staff is performing psychosocial intervention, a Restricted Activity as described in the Alberta Health Professions act.  The list of Restricted Activities, and AARC's description of it's practises have been posted numerous times in this forum.  As the particular Restricted Activity to which I have referred, performing a psychosocial intervention with the accompanying provisions laid out in the act, describes exactly the day-to-day practises of the staff at AARC, it is indeed an irrefutable fact that the staff is breaking the law every day at AARC.

Well, Either they are not telling the truth or you are not telling the truth and since the cat has been out of the bag for some time now it seems you are the one who is mistaken because their license covers the model they presently have in place.  You are in no position to determine what is legal and what isnt.  The city of Alberta has that authority and they disagree with you Ajax13, you should leave this to the professionals.  Try sticking to something easier like spotting people who are overweight.  You seem to be good at that and doesnt require too much education to make a diagnosis.

There are no laws that have been broken (period).  You need to study up, the guy that cooks your burgers down the street probably isnt a licensed chef either, you should get on that one real quick and letthe city know.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 04:24:47 PM »
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 The city of Alberta has that authority and they disagree with you Ajax13, you should leave this to the professionals.

Yes ajax, let's just leave it to the city of Alberta. This person obviously knows what they're talking about.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2009, 04:25:34 PM »
I have to go along with guest (I wish more people would get a user name here).  If any of you are familiar with 5th estate you would know they do (and did) a very though background check on AARC and the people they interviewed.  So we do know that AARC has the proper licenses (if needed at all) and the employees as well.  This place has been scrutinized so much lately that if they had one unpaid parking ticket it would be exposed.

It is a safe bet that AARC is legitimate.  It seems this guy Ajax is trying to dig for dirt where there isn’t any for some reason.  Someone mentioned a bad relationship with the place as a motivation.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 04:34:05 PM »
You wish people would get a user name here... like you? Sorry, I guess I'm just not as brave as you. Might expose myself.
The Fifth Estate found a lot of serious issues with AARC in it's "though" investigation, as you mentioned. It also appears that the city of Alberta and the province of Calgary are quite concerned about this "unlicensed, unmonitored, unregulated, non-medically accredited treatment centre." - Their words, not mine.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 04:44:00 PM »
If you don't know what licenses are needed, then how could you know if AARC had the proper ones?  Perhaps you could point out the difference between what AARC does and the Restricted Activity described in the Health Professions Act.
Rather than making inapplicable and irrelevant analagies between intensive long-term forced treatment in AARC and fast-food preparation, why don't you try this:
What does AARC do?
Are there regulations in Alberta that apply to AARC's practises as they relate directly to the clients?
If so, does the organization and the staff meet the criteria spelled out in such regulations?
It's quite easy, and requires no analogies, no similes, no metaphors and no personal anecdotes about anything.
Joshy, you know what my motivation is.  What about yours?  You fail to mention that your compulsion to stifle any discussion of the entirely outlaw nature of AARC grew out of your instinct for self-preservation.  Relax.  It's highly unlikely you'll have to answer for anything you did when you worked there, unless the Wiz can pin something on you to avoid taking the fall himself.  There's no forensic evidence linking you to anything, so you should be okay.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 04:47:22 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
You wish people would get a user name here... like you? Sorry, I guess I'm just not as brave as you. Might expose myself.
The Fifth Estate found a lot of serious issues with AARC in it's "though" investigation, as you mentioned. It also appears that the city of Alberta and the province of Calgary are quite concerned about this "unlicensed, unmonitored, unregulated, non-medically accredited treatment centre." - Their words, not mine.

But you failed to mention that they are operating legally and have an 85% success rate with their graduates 4 years out.  They dont have a pilots license either!
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« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2009, 04:56:11 PM »
Did you want to try to answer any of those questions?
Once more:
What do the staff at AARC do with regard to the clients?
Is there any regulatory criteria within Alberta that applies to the practises of AARC staff toward the clients in AARC?
Does the staff and the organization meet that criteria?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2009, 05:01:50 PM »
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Did you want to try to answer any of those questions?
Once more:
What do the staff at AARC do with regard to the clients?
Is there any regulatory criteria within Alberta that applies to the practises of AARC staff toward the clients in AARC?
Does the staff and the organization meet that criteria?

Look, Ajax, I spent a few days in the past trying to have a civil conversation with you and you failed to answer one question that I asked.  Why should someone speak To you on your terms.

Answer me this.  What constitutes obese and how is that relevant to the day to day operations of AARC?
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2009, 05:10:27 PM »
Being seriously overweight constitutes obese.  I don't know what that has to do with the day to day operations at AARC.  So what is it that the AARC staff do, in regard to the clients?
Are there any laws and/or regulations that pertain to those activities in within Alberta?
If so, do the staff at AARC comply with those regulations?
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2009, 05:20:11 PM »
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Being seriously overweight constitutes obese. I don't know what that has to do with the day to day operations at AARC.
Exactly, you don’t know, yet you bring it up.
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So what is it that the AARC staff do, in regard to the clients?
Keep them safe and help them towards a healthier lifestyle

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Are there any laws and/or regulations that pertain to those activities in within Alberta?
Literally hundreds of laws apply, from civil rights to personal safety.

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If so, do the staff at AARC comply with those regulations?
Yes they do.
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Re: Just Because I Don't Know What It Is, Doesn't Mean I'm Lying
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2009, 06:06:19 PM »
I am from Alberta and have a neice who is having trouble.  You make it sound so nice, do they really have a 85% success rate?  Is this for kids on drugs? Are the kids separated from the adults?
    Is there a place that I can get more information?
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