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Wesley Fager Easter story
« on: April 10, 2009, 11:30:03 AM »
http://www.orangetoiletnews.com/

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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 04:10:40 PM »
List of blogs that might care
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/
http://jedreport.com/
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/

OH, THIS IS A GOOD ONE:
http://www.swingstateproject.com/

But contact the whole blog roll here
http://www.dailykos.com/



The swingstate blog is DEDICATED to finding dirt on Crist. Why not contact them with how he's a seedling and taking money from a mass murderer?
Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 07:17:53 PM »
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Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
There are higher priorities.  Punishing Crist is an after-the-fact punitive matter best left to Straightlings.  It could bring attention to the industry as a whole, but I doubt it as political blogs are interested in how issues can be used politically.  Do they really care about the kids who have been hurt or are being hurt?  Doubt it.

Besides...  putting a political spin on an issue can have unintended consequences (such as having a particular issue being percieved as partisan).
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 09:03:57 PM »
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Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
There are higher priorities.  Punishing Crist is an after-the-fact punitive matter best left to Straightlings.  It could bring attention to the industry as a whole, but I doubt it as political blogs are interested in how issues can be used politically.  Do they really care about the kids who have been hurt or are being hurt?  Doubt it.

Besides...  putting a political spin on an issue can have unintended consequences (such as having a particular issue being percieved as partisan).

See what you are saying, but this will get the truth out and create a world in which politicians pay consequences for protecting child murderers.

Who cares if some people invovled in reaching htat goal have  partisian motivations? A lot has been done because of people with agendas. At least here, people with agendas promote truth and decency. Not lower taxes for corpotations.

Wish the straight activists could get on this. I'd do it myself, but I doon't have the materials or understanding of the full breadth of the issue!!!!!
 :blabla:  :guesswho:
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 09:14:16 AM »
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Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.

Who the hell are you even talking to or about?  I keep seeing this posted.  WTF do you want and from whom?
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 12:03:08 PM »
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people with agendas promote truth and decency

Thanks, but I think I heard quite enough material of that ilk while I was at Hyde School.

 ;)
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 06:13:46 PM »
Dear FRUSTRATED guest,
   Don't be so frustrated. I don't have anywhere near as much time for this activist stuff as I used to, but this Crist/OTNews project is probably my number one priority in this corner of my hectic life. I'm very interested in running with this and thankful to you for the tip. I'll need a little help from any who offer, though, in crafting a cogent, concise response before making contact with them or any other potential allies. To that end, let me respond to Psy and maybe get this plan perking a little bit.

Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Guest"
Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
There are higher priorities.  Punishing Crist is an after-the-fact punitive matter best left to Straightlings.  It could bring attention to the industry as a whole, but I doubt it as political blogs are interested in how issues can be used politically.  Do they really care about the kids who have been hurt or are being hurt?  Doubt it.

It's not about punishing Crist. I have less than 0 desire to punish anybody involved in this mess. Remember that, except for one brother and my dearly departed dad, my entire family stands pretty firmly on the other side of this ideological line. And, like every other family chewed up in the maw of this horrible machine, we've all been punished enough. My only interest here is in taking away from these misguided lunatics the power to continue their monstrous plan.

Here's what worries me most about a guy like Charlie Crist. First off, he's not a Straightling, he's a Seedling. There's a crucial difference. Almost down to a man, every former Straight client knows by now that that was some fucked up shit and that we all were harmed in various ways by it. Even those who still believe that it was a necessary thing and that it saved their worthless druggie lives will usually concede that the Program methods did unnecessary and unacceptable harm to us. Not so with the Seed. Look over the Seed forum and I think you'll see the difference. There are a lot of Seedlings who, to this day, are either more-or-less neutral or rabidly devoted to the cult. I believe Charlie is one of these. He sincerely believes that the basic idea and agenda behind the Program proper (as well as the broader drug war in general) is worthy and even crucial to our way of life and survival as a nation. He is a doctrinaire, which makes him and his cronies so much more dangerous than your typical larcenous fraud.

You're forgetting, also, that the Straight program never died. It's only migrated bit by bit to the public sector. Martin Lee Anderson's death brought about a shift from the boot camp model to something called STAR Academies. AND doubled the funding. Both the boot camps and STAR Academies were designed, founded and propagated by DFAF (sembler) affiliates. I believe that Charlie Crist will use whatever power he has to further propagate similar programs such as STAR Academies, Teen Challenge, school based snitch and indoctrination programs such as DARE.

And that's just on the Program proper. There's the rest of it to consider. We're at the brink of all out war with Mexico (actually, have been conducting covert war a la Vietnam "advisors" and "foreign aid") for somewhere around 30 years now. The only people with any clout who continue to inflict our insane drug policy on the rest of the world are Charlie's cronies. The rest of the politicians, law enforcement et al are only afraid of the political backlash if they dare speak the truth in public. That is only true because these NAZIS have carried out such a successful propaganda war. I think we can at least chip away at that effort by properly publicizing the simple fact that Charlie Crist is The Manchurian Candidate!

Quote
Besides...  putting a political spin on an issue can have unintended consequences (such as having a particular issue being percieved as partisan).

Yes, I think we should take care to mitigate those unintended consequences as much as possible, but it's an acceptable risk. Remember that we are not the ones who politicized this issue; Straight, Inc. (aka the Semblers and their cronnies) did that when they established DFAF, PDFA, Drugwatch International, DPNA, MCTFT, DARE, PANDA, IDEAS, COPS, Safe and Drug Free Schools|Workplaces|Cities, etc and a whole plethora of other alias organizations to fuck with us on the public dime in every area of our public and private lives.

So, Frustrated, Psy and anyone else who cares to weigh in...

Do you think my take on this is on spot?
How best can we pitch the message to this outlet and others?
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 06:58:34 PM »
Antigen, it's spot on, don't worry about that... lol. Also, one of the lawyers that 'defended' Clinton back in the impeachment proceedings told me that anything having to do with drug war happenings in this context will NEVER be covered or resolved like you or I or we would like. It's a basically a noble cause, but in the end simply a way to spend time. Of course, therein lies that proverbial treasure hunting mentality though, so who knows, maybe a billionaire will latch on to this story and you never know, that lawyer might be proven wrong. I enjoyed reading your comments.  :cheers:
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2009, 09:13:19 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest"
Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.

Who the hell are you even talking to or about?  I keep seeing this posted.  WTF do you want and from whom?
I “want” (and nice to imply this is about me being selfish) the activists whp post here to contact interested parties with this story, like the ones to which I’ve linked. Maybe corporate fascist newspapers in Fl won’t cover this story, but are you really telling me LIBERAL BLOGS won’t? Or semi responsible news orgs like the Huffington Post? I’m calling Bullshit. Mainstream media outlets have convered Semblers past and straight before.

The activists need to do something other than  preach to the choir on fornits.
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2009, 09:26:05 PM »
Quote from: "Antigen"
Dear FRUSTRATED guest,
   Don't be so frustrated. I don't have anywhere near as much time for this activist stuff as I used to, but this Crist/OTNews project is probably my number one priority in this corner of my hectic life. I'm very interested in running with this and thankful to you for the tip. I'll need a little help from any who offer, though, in crafting a cogent, concise response before making contact with them or any other potential allies. To that end, let me respond to Psy and maybe get this plan perking a little bit.

Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Guest"
Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
There are higher priorities.  Punishing Crist is an after-the-fact punitive matter best left to Straightlings.  It could bring attention to the industry as a whole, but I doubt it as political blogs are interested in how issues can be used politically.  Do they really care about the kids who have been hurt or are being hurt?  Doubt it.

It's not about punishing Crist. I have less than 0 desire to punish anybody involved in this mess. Remember that, except for one brother and my dearly departed dad, my entire family stands pretty firmly on the other side of this ideological line. And, like every other family chewed up in the maw of this horrible machine, we've all been punished enough. My only interest here is in taking away from these misguided lunatics the power to continue their monstrous plan.

Here's what worries me most about a guy like Charlie Crist. First off, he's not a Straightling, he's a Seedling. There's a crucial difference. Almost down to a man, every former Straight client knows by now that that was some fucked up shit and that we all were harmed in various ways by it. Even those who still believe that it was a necessary thing and that it saved their worthless druggie lives will usually concede that the Program methods did unnecessary and unacceptable harm to us. Not so with the Seed. Look over the Seed forum and I think you'll see the difference. There are a lot of Seedlings who, to this day, are either more-or-less neutral or rabidly devoted to the cult. I believe Charlie is one of these. He sincerely believes that the basic idea and agenda behind the Program proper (as well as the broader drug war in general) is worthy and even crucial to our way of life and survival as a nation. He is a doctrinaire, which makes him and his cronies so much more dangerous than your typical larcenous fraud.

You're forgetting, also, that the Straight program never died. It's only migrated bit by bit to the public sector. Martin Lee Anderson's death brought about a shift from the boot camp model to something called STAR Academies. AND doubled the funding. Both the boot camps and STAR Academies were designed, founded and propagated by DFAF (sembler) affiliates. I believe that Charlie Crist will use whatever power he has to further propagate similar programs such as STAR Academies, Teen Challenge, school based snitch and indoctrination programs such as DARE.

And that's just on the Program proper. There's the rest of it to consider. We're at the brink of all out war with Mexico (actually, have been conducting covert war a la Vietnam "advisors" and "foreign aid") for somewhere around 30 years now. The only people with any clout who continue to inflict our insane drug policy on the rest of the world are Charlie's cronies. The rest of the politicians, law enforcement et al are only afraid of the political backlash if they dare speak the truth in public. That is only true because these NAZIS have carried out such a successful propaganda war. I think we can at least chip away at that effort by properly publicizing the simple fact that Charlie Crist is The Manchurian Candidate!

Quote
Besides...  putting a political spin on an issue can have unintended consequences (such as having a particular issue being percieved as partisan).

Yes, I think we should take care to mitigate those unintended consequences as much as possible, but it's an acceptable risk. Remember that we are not the ones who politicized this issue; Straight, Inc. (aka the Semblers and their cronnies) did that when they established DFAF, PDFA, Drugwatch International, DPNA, MCTFT, DARE, PANDA, IDEAS, COPS, Safe and Drug Free Schools|Workplaces|Cities, etc and a whole plethora of other alias organizations to fuck with us on the public dime in every area of our public and private lives.

So, Frustrated, Psy and anyone else who cares to weigh in...

Do you think my take on this is on spot?
How best can we pitch the message to this outlet and others?


I don’t think you need to prove that Crist is a seedling. Though it would be cool if you could contact someone who was put away with him and they were willing to sign a sworn document to that effect, or do some sleuthing that would prove that is more than conjecture.

All you have to do to get these blogs covering this is to (reasonably) prove that straight kidnapped and tortured thousands of kids (assemble the documents invovled in the criminal charges lawsuits, new articles, assemble sworn testimonies, etc) and now Crist is giving the man responsible for that political favors, awards, and is connected to him and what not.

Legally, Sembler can STILL be prosecuted for what he did. They drag priests from the pulpit and charge them 40 years after the alledged molestations for people who come foward. Yet, instead of prosecuting Sembler Crist is in bed with him, allowing him influsence on policies, accepting donations for him, honoring him. That is VERY explosive politically. And many would be interested in that.

Assembling documentation of this mans evil influence on politics re. DFAF, STAR and the bootcamps would be great also. For that you’ll need papers regarding Semblers’ donations, political appointments, the names of the DFAF officials who started STAR.,the articles on suicides from STAR which have already started accruing, that fact that STAR is using thought reform. If you present the dots these orgs will connect them.

Also you’ll need to provide documentation about Syananon, about how it spread about cults, how they function and spread. I have serious, serious medical problems(constant pain condition) so my ability to organize this info is limited. I can dedicate an hour a day, or so, to do whatever you need me to, though.

Basically, all that's necessary is to present enough of the evidence that is already known to these media so that we don't look like kooks,and let them run with it. Any extra sluething would be great but supplementary
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2009, 09:29:11 PM »
Quote from: "Antigen"
Dear FRUSTRATED guest,
   Don't be so frustrated. I don't have anywhere near as much time for this activist stuff as I used to, but this Crist/OTNews project is probably my number one priority in this corner of my hectic life. I'm very interested in running with this and thankful to you for the tip. I'll need a little help from any who offer, though, in crafting a cogent, concise response before making contact with them or any other potential allies. To that end, let me respond to Psy and maybe get this plan perking a little bit.

Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Guest"
Its FUSTRATING that you "activists" don't even try.
There are higher priorities.  Punishing Crist is an after-the-fact punitive matter best left to Straightlings.  It could bring attention to the industry as a whole, but I doubt it as political blogs are interested in how issues can be used politically.  Do they really care about the kids who have been hurt or are being hurt?  Doubt it.

It's not about punishing Crist. I have less than 0 desire to punish anybody involved in this mess. Remember that, except for one brother and my dearly departed dad, my entire family stands pretty firmly on the other side of this ideological line. And, like every other family chewed up in the maw of this horrible machine, we've all been punished enough. My only interest here is in taking away from these misguided lunatics the power to continue their monstrous plan.

Here's what worries me most about a guy like Charlie Crist. First off, he's not a Straightling, he's a Seedling. There's a crucial difference. Almost down to a man, every former Straight client knows by now that that was some fucked up shit and that we all were harmed in various ways by it. Even those who still believe that it was a necessary thing and that it saved their worthless druggie lives will usually concede that the Program methods did unnecessary and unacceptable harm to us. Not so with the Seed. Look over the Seed forum and I think you'll see the difference. There are a lot of Seedlings who, to this day, are either more-or-less neutral or rabidly devoted to the cult. I believe Charlie is one of these. He sincerely believes that the basic idea and agenda behind the Program proper (as well as the broader drug war in general) is worthy and even crucial to our way of life and survival as a nation. He is a doctrinaire, which makes him and his cronies so much more dangerous than your typical larcenous fraud.

You're forgetting, also, that the Straight program never died. It's only migrated bit by bit to the public sector. Martin Lee Anderson's death brought about a shift from the boot camp model to something called STAR Academies. AND doubled the funding. Both the boot camps and STAR Academies were designed, founded and propagated by DFAF (sembler) affiliates. I believe that Charlie Crist will use whatever power he has to further propagate similar programs such as STAR Academies, Teen Challenge, school based snitch and indoctrination programs such as DARE.

And that's just on the Program proper. There's the rest of it to consider. We're at the brink of all out war with Mexico (actually, have been conducting covert war a la Vietnam "advisors" and "foreign aid") for somewhere around 30 years now. The only people with any clout who continue to inflict our insane drug policy on the rest of the world are Charlie's cronies. The rest of the politicians, law enforcement et al are only afraid of the political backlash if they dare speak the truth in public. That is only true because these NAZIS have carried out such a successful propaganda war. I think we can at least chip away at that effort by properly publicizing the simple fact that Charlie Crist is The Manchurian Candidate!

Quote
Besides...  putting a political spin on an issue can have unintended consequences (such as having a particular issue being percieved as partisan).

Yes, I think we should take care to mitigate those unintended consequences as much as possible, but it's an acceptable risk. Remember that we are not the ones who politicized this issue; Straight, Inc. (aka the Semblers and their cronnies) did that when they established DFAF, PDFA, Drugwatch International, DPNA, MCTFT, DARE, PANDA, IDEAS, COPS, Safe and Drug Free Schools|Workplaces|Cities, etc and a whole plethora of other alias organizations to fuck with us on the public dime in every area of our public and private lives.

So, Frustrated, Psy and anyone else who cares to weigh in...

Do you think my take on this is on spot?
How best can we pitch the message to this outlet and others?

Also, thank you for caring. and answering me.
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2009, 07:30:09 AM »
De nada
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 09:18:59 AM »
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I “want” (and nice to imply this is about me being selfish)

That's your read on it.  I was honestly asking what you were trying to say.

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the activists whp post here

Who are these activists you speak of?


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The activists need to do something other than  preach to the choir on fornits.

If you feel that strongly about it then you do it.  It's felt like you've been chastising "the activists" for not doing enough with just about every post.  How would you know what anyone else is doing behind the scenes?  How do you know "the activists" arent' hard at work on it but are keeping quiet as not to spoil whatever they're working on?  Why does anyone need to answer to you at all?
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 06:16:46 PM »
Quote from: "Antigen"
Dear FRUSTRATED guest,
   Don't be so frustrated. I don't have anywhere near as much time for this activist stuff as I used to, but this Crist/OTNews project is probably my number one priority in this corner of my hectic life. I'm very interested in running with this and thankful to you for the tip. I'll need a little help from any who offer, though, in crafting a cogent, concise response before making contact with them or any other potential allies. To that end, let me respond to Psy and maybe get this plan perking a little bit.
Do you think linking to the sites already u on the net about Straight  along with contact info to the people behind ISAC would be enough to get the ball rolling?
Are there direct links to sworn survivor testimony available on the web?
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Re: Wesley Fager Easter story
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 08:47:55 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest"
I “want” (and nice to imply this is about me being selfish)

That's your read on it.  I was honestly asking what you were trying to say.

Quote
the activists whp post here

Who are these activists you speak of?


Quote
The activists need to do something other than  preach to the choir on fornits.

If you feel that strongly about it then you do it.  It's felt like you've been chastising "the activists" for not doing enough with just about every post.  How would you know what anyone else is doing behind the scenes?  How do you know "the activists" arent' hard at work on it but are keeping quiet as not to spoil whatever they're working on?  Why does anyone need to answer to you at all?

IMO, this issue should not be reduced to a quarrel about how entitled I act, and I don't like to quarrel for quarrelings sake, so don’t be offended that I pass over your questions! I do not mean to hurt your feelings or offend you. But, when I know for a fact that certain media would go with this story if they are supplied basic corroboration but activists (who i have a lot of respect for) tell me they won’t, it’s hopeless, I am going to respond.

I don’t feel that I am some sort of aristocrat that people need to “answer to.” I also feel its OK to voice my thoughts, my concerns, my suggestions,  criticisms, and ask questions on an internet message board as long as I do so in a civil manner. Cheers.  :rasta:
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