How to fit in at Fornits.com

[Anonymous]

My dear anon, you are so occluded I know where to begin. All I ask is why does every thread turn into an AA debate, and I get an un-called-for mouthful from you, like ~days after the fact.... Get a fuckin' life or something.

LOL. I totally agree with you about the AA thing, frod. I think AAs ok, but I dont post about that 15 times a day! I think the antis are a little out of hand. Not saying they/you shouldnt post, just that this isnt the 'we hate AA' forum, and some of the accusations about the place and  comparing it to program makes programs sound OK, which offends me knowing how program killed my best friend by breaking them through brainwashing, false imprisonment, torture, systematic sexual abuse.
This is why i think that some of the ---particularly rabid guests who post about AA are not survviors

[FemanonFatal2.0]

OOOOOk... guilty as charged. but to be fair I think some of us mention AA often because is a related subject to our general topic here at Fornits.

I for one have NOT participated in the numerous Anti-AA threads in the past because usually by the 23rd page everything has been said and argued to death already, so I guess this issue is a bit more fresh to me as only recently have I started to do research, read medical journals and talk to my friends (both AA and not AA) about it. I don't mind curbing the AA talk down for the sake of avoiding redundancy but to be fair THIS THREAD kinda is about AA, or at least the OP made a point to bring up the issue. I don't think anyone dwelled on it, and I thought we had moved on before you guys started throwing poo back and fourth but for all intensive purposes I understand why Frod decided to say that. Sometimes its worthwhile to throw a wrench in the process before it gets set on a familiar path and I appreciate that... No need to bash him for it Anon, its not as big a deal as it was made out to be.

[Anonymous]

OOOOOk... guilty as charged. but to be fair I think some of us mention AA often because is a related subject to our general topic here at Fornits.

I for one have NOT participated in the numerous Anti-AA threads in the past because usually by the 23rd page everything has been said and argued to death already, so I guess this issue is a bit more fresh to me as only recently have I started to do research, read medical journals and talk to my friends (both AA and not AA) about it. I don't mind curbing the AA talk down for the sake of avoiding redundancy but to be fair THIS THREAD kinda is about AA, or at least the OP made a point to bring up the issue. I don't think anyone dwelled on it, and I thought we had moved on before you guys started throwing poo back and fourth but for all intensive purposes I understand why Frod decided to say that. Sometimes its worthwhile to throw a wrench in the process before it gets set on a familiar path and I appreciate that... No need to bash him for it Anon, its not as big a deal as it was made out to be.

you are right. i actually intended to quote a nicer* quote by frod to the effect of "shut up, already." So, sorry!

[psy]

My dear anon, you are so occluded I know where to begin. All I ask is why does every thread turn into an AA debate, and I get an un-called-for mouthful from you, like ~days after the fact.... Get a fuckin' life or something.

LOL. I totally agree with you about the AA thing, frod. I think AAs ok, but I dont post about that 15 times a day! I think the antis are a little out of hand. Not saying they/you shouldnt post, just that this isnt the 'we hate AA' forum, and some of the accusations about the place and  comparing it to program makes programs sound OK, which offends me knowing how program killed my best friend by breaking them through brainwashing, false imprisonment, torture, systematic sexual abuse.
This is why i think that some of the ---particularly rabid guests who post about AA are not survviors

I don't think anybody is comparing AA to a program.  AA is being discussed on it's own.  There is nothing comparitive about it.  And just FYI, you might be surprised as to who are those "rabid" guests who dislike AA.

[Anonymous]

Basically if you want to get in good with the posters at fornits I can tell you how. You have to say these things but don't list it off because that's kind of obvious. Just bring up these things now and then and you'll see how quickly you rise in the ranks of fornits.

#1 Mormons are evil

Did you know that Mormons are behind most programs? Yep, it's true. They also hate fags and don't want them to get married. Mormons are EVIL and the world would be bunnies and kisses if they just converted to Catholicism already.

#2 Addiction is NOT a disease

Despite decades of scientific research and studies, and what every single professional and school has ever told you, they are wrong. Addiction is NOT a disease and claiming so gives those stupid addicts an excuse not to get better. If you know an addict, kick them out on the street and they will choose to get better. if they don't, who cares. It's not like they can't just stop whenever they want.

#3 Alcoholics Anonymous is evil
 
AA is a CULT that sucks people in and ruins their life and their families life. BEWARE OF THE EVIL AA! (I heard the coffee is poisoned and donuts contain brainwashing drugs that make you come back every week)

#4 Ron Paul isn't insane

Ron Paul, the biggest political supporter of programs that could possibly exist, isn't crazy. No, just because his politics would create more programs and no way to regulate or shut them down, doesn't mean he shouldn't win. Let's take the country back to the stone age and elect the only candidate who appears to have a mental illness. RON PAUL!

#5 If a kid dies from drug addiction any point in their life and went to the program, ITS THE PROGRAM's FAULT

Let's say a kid went to a program when they were 15. If they die of a drug or alcohol overdose in their 20's or 30's, or anytime for the rest of their life, the blame lies solely with the program they attended. If programs worked, then they should of been cured of addiction (which isnt a disease), right? RIGHT!

#6 Nobody is at fault

Program parents were suckered. Staff were kind-hearted, but misguided do-gooders. Owners just want to make a buck. Peer abuse happens because they are brainwashed. Nobody is at fault really, it's the 'system' that's bad.. yeah.. man... that's it.

#7 Having a website will solve the problem

Internets to the rescue! If parents don't find this website then they didn't do enough research.

#8 Child abuse will end when the program I went to is shut down

Since I only care about the abuse that happened to me, when the place I was at is shut down then abuse will no longer happen to any other kid!

#9 All kids in programs are innocent

All the kids in programs are sweet 14 year old, straight A students who were sent away for no reason at all.  Which leads into...

#10 All program parents are EVIL

They send their kids away for no reason to the worst place they can find so they can have their kid tortured. They want their kid to be abused in horrible ways and pray every night their kid is away the kid is being beaten into a submissive pulp.


There you go, if you want to one day make it to moderator status these will help you fit in here. They might also help you gain access to the secret forum... oh wait, nobody posts in that forum anymore. Never mind!


And just one more thing...












 :moon:

Funny stuff. ALso they like toilets and poop and butt emoticons alot, toilet remarks, poop, diarea, poop poop poop. This is because alot of them were very abused aout poop in there programs! Poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Funny stuff.  Poor kids.

Observant.  No vent.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Potty Humor happens to be very dear to my heart.

Im not sure theres any coorelation between that and the fact that there was often someone watching you while you shat at the programs... then looking in the toliet before you flushed.... You guess you tend to develop some jokes in those situations.

OMG speaking of SHIT

There were these mysterious incidents where one of us would stumble upon the biggest piece of poop known to man. This thing COULD NOT be flushed. It was nick named the "child sized shit" because it was indeed about the size of a baby! It only showed up every few months but every time it was even more amazingly HUGE! I'm telling you this was beyond human butthole capacity, think goatse, then a few inches bigger! It was truly an unbelievable sight to be seen.

on second thought maybe I have been traumatized to poop. just maybe.

[try another castle]

Funny stuff.  Poor kids.

Observant.  No vent.

SEE? I'm not the only one who corrects spelling.

We are intellectual anti-intellectuals.

[Anonymous]

My dear anon, you are so occluded I know where to begin. All I ask is why does every thread turn into an AA debate, and I get an un-called-for mouthful from you, like ~days after the fact.... Get a fuckin' life or something.

What bothers me is that if, in fact, you do know who this is then you obviously have heard the damage that I believe AA has done to my family.  I've had to deal with those holier than thou, meddling fucks for over 20 years and it has NOT been fun.  I'm STILL having to deal with their destructive force on myself and those that I hold very dear to me (namely, my children) almost on a daily basis.  I'm seeing a pattern repeating itself and it's probably one of the single most emotionally devastating things to endure and to watch someone else endure.  THAT is why I end up feeling a need to understand it.  THAT is why I end up being drawn back into the conversation again.  THAT is why I want to understand how the devotees can be so devoted and how they can't see what I'm seeing.  I would have thought that, if you know who this is, then you'd understand that this subject has effected me in a demoralizing way for a very long time and it just might be something that I need to talk about.  A lot.  I guess it just got frustrating that if you were so bored with the subject you couldn't just stay out of it and leave those of us who want to talk about it in peace.  You felt the need, very often, to run into the thread and tell us (or me) how much you hate the AA posts.

If you know who this is then you know that I get really bored 'elsewhere' with endless and trite Craig'sList/Teen Pig posts etc.   BUT.....I don't run into that thread and tell him how boring it is or how redundant or how asinine or 'YAWN'.  I don't like him and I think those threads and posts clutter up the board with crap, but I at least respect that for whatever reason, those posts seem to be important to him.  They bore me, so I just stay the fuck out of them.  I guess I was hoping for the same courtesy.  So, yeah.  If that makes me a controlling bitch, well I guess I'll have to somehow live with it.

[Froderik]

Well then, you have my apologies. I can't begin to imagine how aggravating that must be to have to deal with. You have every right to hate AA, as rational or irrational that may seem to outsiders (be that AA patrons, etc) of your particular experience with them. You are 'tired of being tormented to hell,' which I can certainly understand.

But try not to begrudge me too much for the yawns back there, it seemed like a case of yet another thread going down the proverbial AA rabbit-hole. (Also know that I was long done bitching by the time you replied to my yawns; that was like a day later, and I had already shut up about it, fwiw.) The OP was "How to fit in at Fornits.com" and I guess I didn't want to see this thread go down that same old road when there are plenty of other threads about AA to post on.

That being said, I may yawn once in a while, bitch, etc, but -- I will never attempt to tell anyone what to post or where to post it, when all is said and done. In other words, don't mind me, I'm only bitching. Carry on!

[Anonymous]

Well then, you have my apologies. I can't begin to imagine how aggravating that must be to have to deal with. You have every right to hate AA, as rational or irrational that may seem to outsiders (be that AA patrons, etc) of your particular experience with them. You are 'tired of being tormented to hell,' which I can certainly understand.

I hate what it's done to my family and many others, but that's not even why I post about it.  I genuinely need to understand how this shit continues to happen.  But thanks for the apology.  Srsly.

But try not to begrudge me too much for the yawns back there, it seemed like a case of yet another thread going down the proverbial AA rabbit-hole. (Also know that I was long done bitching by the time you replied to my yawns; that was like a day later, and I had already shut up about it, fwiw.) The OP was "How to fit in at Fornits.com" and I guess I didn't want to see this thread go down that same old road when there are plenty of other threads about AA to post on.

Maybe that's because the philosophies are so similar to programthink/groupthink.  It's kind of inevitable.

That being said, I may yawn once in a while, bitch, etc, but -- I will never attempt to tell anyone what to post or where to post it, when all is said and done. In other words, don't mind me, I'm only bitching. Carry on!

I wasn't trying to control what you post.  Post whatever you want.  I just didn't and get the need to shit on a thread that you say you have no interest in (AA was mentioned in the original post) with "YAWN". (and yeu're right, I didn't notice that it was a day or two earlier that you had posted.  I reacted.  Apologies.)

 :peace:

[Carmel]

I just find personally that AA has a lot of contradictions.  Like admitting powerlessness over something you are trying to exhibit control over.  I know people will argue its more complex than that....but any type of higher power whether its god or your neighbors dog, is useless if you dont have any real faith.....I think people should learn be their own higher power, Jesus would approve.  

Also they teach "drugs are a symptom, not the problem" but then support the idea that addiction is a genetic trait, hence there is no remedy for the problem, hence everyone technically becomes "dry drunks", which is less than favorable.

Too many loopholes for me.  Not to mention that I am neither an addict or alcoholic.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

I just find personally that AA has a lot of contradictions.  Like admitting powerlessness over something you are trying to exhibit control over.  I know people will argue its more complex than that....but any type of higher power whether its god or your neighbors dog, is useless if you dont have any real faith.....I think people should learn be their own higher power, Jesus would approve.  

Also they teach "drugs are a symptom, not the problem" but then support the idea that addiction is a genetic trait, hence there is no remedy for the problem, hence everyone technically becomes "dry drunks", which is less than favorable.

Too many loopholes for me.  Not to mention that I am neither an addict or alcoholic.

Agreed. What spikes my interest the most is the shameless idioticracy of the doctrine... (feel the same about religion) and that you would Have to be using mind control in order to get people to believe such nonsense. (again, feel the same way about religion)

Being Religious or Program or AA affiliated really appears to me to be like living in a fantasy world (like LARPing lol) and I tend to have a more "bigger picture" approach to all these kinds of ideologies. Call it logic or disestablishmentarianism.... I'm just not a fan of the "high and mighty" way these people act, especially when they have based their "superior faith" on proverbial fairy tales.

And to be honest, I don't think Jesus could entirely give a fuck less.

[Froderik]

Unlike many of you, I never ended up attending AA after the program. It seems to me a person can decide to stop drinking without first saying, "I am powerless over alcohol." To say one is powerless seems wrong from the start. If someone likes to drink, and doesn't want to stop, they should continue to do so as long as they are not harming others. If someone drinks and finds that they are physically addicted and cannot stop, or simply finds that they would like to drink less, then they should do something to help themselves stop drinking.

If someone claims AA has helped ~them, I will be the last person to tell them otherwise.

I will also be the last person to recommend the 12 steps as any kind of solution.

[dishdutyfugitive]

froderick

you don't get it

you are powerless when it comes to powerly situations